• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 11:51
CET 17:51
KST 01:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)3Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win2RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge2[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14
StarCraft 2
General
When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket
Tourneys
Discovering the Best Deli and Sandwiches in Santa [Alpha Pro Series] Nice vs Cure Tenacious Turtle Tussle RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death
Brood War
General
Which season is the best in ASL? [BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D) Data analysis on 70 million replays FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET [BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group A - Sat 21:00 CET
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2363 users

ABC [MSL] Ro8 Day 2 - Page 78

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 76 77 78 79 Next
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
May 19 2011 22:08 GMT
#1541
Doesn't Soulkey always do that?Quick fourth, turtle zerg, defend, hivetech 1a2a3a4a?

Its quite effective to be honest.
WriterXiao8~~
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
May 19 2011 22:15 GMT
#1542
On May 20 2011 07:08 Kipsate wrote:
Doesn't Soulkey always do that?Quick fourth, turtle zerg, defend, hivetech 1a2a3a4a?

Its quite effective to be honest.


If it works that is. There's a window where you can simply die to an aggressive Protoss. I think the question that people ask themselves is, why does Jaedong think he has to go to such lengths to defeat a rookie Protoss? Why not just play standard and be safe?
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 22:23:36
May 19 2011 22:16 GMT
#1543
On May 20 2011 04:54 Holgerius wrote:
Unfortunately JD fans and Flash fans aren't exactly the best of friends these days. First Flash ''ruined christmas'' by cheesing JD out of OSL (lol, that LR-thread was hilarious) and then the Power Outage happened on top of that later the same season. I mean, we still get along much better than Flash fans and Bisu fans for example, but the relationship isn't as good as it used to be, I think.


Flash fans and Jaedong fans got along really well when Jaedong was clearly the better player and Flash was a constant disappointment in leagues. When he goes on to become a record setting champion and beat Jaedong specifically many times the fans get at odds. Jaedong fans enjoyed Jaedong's success over Flash and Flash fans were, well, few and far between back then so there wasn't much conflict. Flash gains lots of fans when he becomes amazing, and with lots of fans comes lots of opinions, and comes lots of arguments.
Remember Violet.
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
May 19 2011 22:28 GMT
#1544
On May 20 2011 07:16 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 04:54 Holgerius wrote:
Unfortunately JD fans and Flash fans aren't exactly the best of friends these days. First Flash ''ruined christmas'' by cheesing JD out of OSL (lol, that LR-thread was hilarious) and then the Power Outage happened on top of that later the same season. I mean, we still get along much better than Flash fans and Bisu fans for example, but the relationship isn't as good as it used to be, I think.


Flash fans and Jaedong fans got along really well when Jaedong was clearly the better player and Flash was a constant disappointment in leagues. When he goes on to become a record setting champion and beat Jaedong specifically many times the fans get at odds. Jaedong fans enjoyed Jaedong's success over Flash and Flash fans were, well, few and far between back then so there wasn't much conflict. Flash gains lots of fans when he becomes amazing, and with lots of fans comes lots of opinions, and comes lots of arguments.


Things soured between Flash/JD fans after Nate... then heated up considerably during their next 3 finals meetings. I would say MOST JD and Flash fans have actually mellowed out alot since Bigfile. The resurgence of Bisu has provided us with a common enemy
Jaedong and Baby
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 22:32:20
May 19 2011 22:31 GMT
#1545
Rofl, I just went back and read through the funniest parts of that OSL Ro8 LR-thread when Flash knocked out JD. Best post IMO:

On December 25 2009 18:49 SuperArc wrote:
god flash is gay

he ruined christmas for everyone


Classic SuperArc. ^__^
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
May 19 2011 22:34 GMT
#1546
On May 20 2011 07:31 Holgerius wrote:
Rofl, I just went back and read through the funniest parts of that OSL Ro8 LR-thread when Flash knocked out JD. Best post IMO:

Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 18:49 SuperArc wrote:
god flash is gay

he ruined christmas for everyone


Classic SuperArc. ^__^


Haha. And he wasn't banned for that!?
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 19 2011 22:42 GMT
#1547
No, he wasn't.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
May 19 2011 22:42 GMT
#1548
On May 20 2011 07:34 Mooncat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 07:31 Holgerius wrote:
Rofl, I just went back and read through the funniest parts of that OSL Ro8 LR-thread when Flash knocked out JD. Best post IMO:

On December 25 2009 18:49 SuperArc wrote:
god flash is gay

he ruined christmas for everyone


Classic SuperArc. ^__^


Haha. And he wasn't banned for that!?


He wasn't banned because it was true.
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 19 2011 22:54 GMT
#1549
Haha, you had the post right after his:

On December 25 2009 18:49 Megalisk wrote:
FUCK YOU FLASH AND THE CLICK YOU CLAIM
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 23:00:56
May 19 2011 22:55 GMT
#1550
I mispelled clique, Tupac would be offended

EDIT: Hahaha I can't believe I didn't get a temp in that thread I was so butthurt about Jaedong losing and Shine winning
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
May 19 2011 22:58 GMT
#1551
hydra, hydra, hydra!!!!

hell yeah!

gogogo hydra, for the second championship!
BW is back
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7816 Posts
May 19 2011 23:41 GMT
#1552
Mind . Even though Hydra v Leta or Flash is the more interesting semi, I was pulling for you. .
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
May 19 2011 23:43 GMT
#1553
On May 20 2011 07:42 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 07:34 Mooncat wrote:
On May 20 2011 07:31 Holgerius wrote:
Rofl, I just went back and read through the funniest parts of that OSL Ro8 LR-thread when Flash knocked out JD. Best post IMO:

On December 25 2009 18:49 SuperArc wrote:
god flash is gay

he ruined christmas for everyone


Classic SuperArc. ^__^


Haha. And he wasn't banned for that!?


He wasn't banned because it was true.


But why? Neither was Flash gay, nor did he ruin Christmas. He was already legitimately one of the best players back then. It's not like Frozean knocked him out or something.
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 19 2011 23:46 GMT
#1554
Let's not start arguing about that again. It's history. Funny history. ^__^
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
May 19 2011 23:50 GMT
#1555
On May 20 2011 08:46 Holgerius wrote:
Let's not start arguing about that again. It's history. Funny history. ^__^


This, that thread was probably the biggest shitfest of all time, even more than the recent Kellymilkis photoshoot thread, lets leave it in the past ^^.

On another note, is Hydra playing Jaedong next? or the winner of Flash Leta or what O_o.
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
May 19 2011 23:53 GMT
#1556
On May 20 2011 08:46 Holgerius wrote:
Let's not start arguing about that again. It's history. Funny history. ^__^


Sorry if that came across as too serious. I was merely wondering why people were so upset ^^
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
May 19 2011 23:53 GMT
#1557
On May 20 2011 07:15 Mooncat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 07:08 Kipsate wrote:
Doesn't Soulkey always do that?Quick fourth, turtle zerg, defend, hivetech 1a2a3a4a?

Its quite effective to be honest.


If it works that is. There's a window where you can simply die to an aggressive Protoss. I think the question that people ask themselves is, why does Jaedong think he has to go to such lengths to defeat a rookie Protoss? Why not just play standard and be safe?

Jaedong said in the last interview that Grapes macro sucks. It makes sens that he went for the late game.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
May 19 2011 23:55 GMT
#1558
On May 20 2011 08:53 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 07:15 Mooncat wrote:
On May 20 2011 07:08 Kipsate wrote:
Doesn't Soulkey always do that?Quick fourth, turtle zerg, defend, hivetech 1a2a3a4a?

Its quite effective to be honest.


If it works that is. There's a window where you can simply die to an aggressive Protoss. I think the question that people ask themselves is, why does Jaedong think he has to go to such lengths to defeat a rookie Protoss? Why not just play standard and be safe?

Jaedong said in the last interview that Grapes macro sucks. It makes sens that he went for the late game.


What use is going for late game if you die on the way? :> I mean it did work out, but it might as well have not. People consider it an unnecessary risk I think.
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 23:58:49
May 19 2011 23:57 GMT
#1559
On May 20 2011 08:55 Mooncat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 08:53 Elroi wrote:
On May 20 2011 07:15 Mooncat wrote:
On May 20 2011 07:08 Kipsate wrote:
Doesn't Soulkey always do that?Quick fourth, turtle zerg, defend, hivetech 1a2a3a4a?

Its quite effective to be honest.


If it works that is. There's a window where you can simply die to an aggressive Protoss. I think the question that people ask themselves is, why does Jaedong think he has to go to such lengths to defeat a rookie Protoss? Why not just play standard and be safe?

Jaedong said in the last interview that Grapes macro sucks. It makes sens that he went for the late game.


What use is going for late game if you die on the way? :> I mean it did work out, but it might as well have not. People consider it an unnecessary risk I think.

It looked very safe. Except game 2 Grape was never close to breaking Jaedong
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
May 20 2011 00:03 GMT
#1560
On May 20 2011 08:57 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 08:55 Mooncat wrote:
On May 20 2011 08:53 Elroi wrote:
On May 20 2011 07:15 Mooncat wrote:
On May 20 2011 07:08 Kipsate wrote:
Doesn't Soulkey always do that?Quick fourth, turtle zerg, defend, hivetech 1a2a3a4a?

Its quite effective to be honest.


If it works that is. There's a window where you can simply die to an aggressive Protoss. I think the question that people ask themselves is, why does Jaedong think he has to go to such lengths to defeat a rookie Protoss? Why not just play standard and be safe?

Jaedong said in the last interview that Grapes macro sucks. It makes sens that he went for the late game.


What use is going for late game if you die on the way? :> I mean it did work out, but it might as well have not. People consider it an unnecessary risk I think.

It looked very safe. Except game 2 Grape was never close to breaking Jaedong


True, but Grape's play in that series was extremely one dimensional. He did play better than expected, I'll give him that. But playing the same way every single game in a Bo5 is rarely a good idea I think. I'm just trying to explain why people are wondering about Jaedong's ZvP builds lately.
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
Prev 1 76 77 78 79 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
13:00
King of the Hill #232
SteadfastSC345
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 378
LamboSC2 304
Fuzer 253
ProTech130
BRAT_OK 52
Livibee 30
RushiSC 25
MindelVK 24
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3785
Horang2 2521
Bisu 2396
Flash 1872
Stork 888
Soma 679
Shuttle 626
Mini 598
Light 561
ZerO 330
[ Show more ]
Rush 314
hero 277
BeSt 269
Snow 251
Hyun 104
Backho 78
Soulkey 59
ToSsGirL 33
soO 30
Mind 30
Terrorterran 28
sorry 27
SilentControl 24
scan(afreeca) 19
Rock 17
Aegong 15
ajuk12(nOOB) 12
HiyA 12
Hm[arnc] 11
NaDa 9
ivOry 8
Dota 2
Gorgc6027
singsing2980
qojqva2507
capcasts31
League of Legends
rGuardiaN27
Counter-Strike
fl0m13380
zeus2243
Foxcn145
Other Games
B2W.Neo2249
FrodaN1107
Beastyqt692
RotterdaM213
crisheroes208
DeMusliM167
ArmadaUGS118
KnowMe101
XaKoH 88
QueenE60
Trikslyr54
ZerO(Twitch)19
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream139
Other Games
BasetradeTV67
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 29
• poizon28 11
• HeavenSC 7
• Reevou 4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 25
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2279
• TFBlade1163
Other Games
• WagamamaTV240
Upcoming Events
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
7h 9m
The PondCast
17h 9m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
OSC
2 days
LAN Event
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
StarCraft2.fi
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
StarCraft2.fi
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

SOOP Univ League 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
Slon Tour Season 2
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.