EPTOn April 25 2011 19:14 fallingdream wrote:
Being a realist helps in figuring things like this quite easily actually.
Being a realist helps in figuring things like this quite easily actually.
haha. good prediction
[SPL] SKT vs KT - Page 83
| Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments |
|
Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
haha. good prediction | ||
|
Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
On April 25 2011 23:35 hacklebeast wrote: It was more because of flash loss rather than bisu win. bisu is 6-2 vs harder opponents compared to flash's 3-3. I don't think that a guy who is .500 should be #2 or #1 depending on whether you still think JD should be ahead of flash or not. edit: it was Ro32 BTW You use stats in an absurd way. Flash roflstomped bisu twice - it wasn't even close. And Bisu was 8# last month. Not the strongest player right now by a long shot. | ||
|
Biff The Understudy
France8086 Posts
On April 25 2011 23:35 hacklebeast wrote: It was more because of flash loss rather than bisu win. bisu is 6-2 vs harder opponents compared to flash's 3-3. I don't think that a guy who is .500 should be #2 or #1 depending on whether you still think JD should be ahead of flash or not. edit: it was Ro32 BTW Thing is, PR is about who is the best player, not who has the best stats in the last 30 days. Actually, I don't see the problem of being 3-3 and stay #1. I don't have the impression that Flash is any weaker than before and still look incredibly strong in every matchup; on the other hand, Bisu's recent performance in MSL has really shown huge weaknesses in his vT matchup. | ||
|
Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
On April 26 2011 00:55 Biff The Understudy wrote: Thing is, PR is about who is the best player, not who has the best stats in the last 30 days. Actually, I don't see the problem of being 3-3 and stay #1. I don't have the impression that Flash is any weaker than before and still look incredibly strong in every matchup; on the other hand, Bisu's recent performance in MSL has really shown huge weaknesses in his vT matchup. I guess you can say vF. he did a pretty decent job against sea there. | ||
|
Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On April 26 2011 00:55 Biff The Understudy wrote: Thing is, PR is about who is the best player, not who has the best stats in the last 30 days. Actually, I don't see the problem of being 3-3 and stay #1. I don't have the impression that Flash is any weaker than before and still look incredibly strong in every matchup; on the other hand, Bisu's recent performance in MSL has really shown huge weaknesses in his vT matchup. doesn't that mean flash has really shown a huge weakness in his vZ match up too? | ||
|
evilfatsh1t
Australia8867 Posts
On April 26 2011 00:55 Biff The Understudy wrote: Thing is, PR is about who is the best player, not who has the best stats in the last 30 days. Actually, I don't see the problem of being 3-3 and stay #1. I don't have the impression that Flash is any weaker than before and still look incredibly strong in every matchup; on the other hand, Bisu's recent performance in MSL has really shown huge weaknesses in his vT matchup. wrong. pr is all about the players performance in the last 30 days. thats why flash and jaedong havent been 1st/2nd consistently the past few months there have been players whos done better than them in a 30day period which puts them on top in pr | ||
|
kamikami
France1057 Posts
| ||
|
SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
I was searching for Doh Jae Wook's game but couldn't find it. Too baddd. Can't wait. 1v1 bw? | ||
|
hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
On April 26 2011 00:55 Biff The Understudy wrote: Thing is, PR is about who is the best player, not who has the best stats in the last 30 days. Actually, I don't see the problem of being 3-3 and stay #1. I don't have the impression that Flash is any weaker than before and still look incredibly strong in every matchup; on the other hand, Bisu's recent performance in MSL has really shown huge weaknesses in his vT matchup. There is some element of truth to that, but if it was strictly "who is best" we might as well copy-paste ELO, and FBH and Horang would not be on right now. Flash and Bisu are close enough in skill that the overwhelmingly better results by bisu should be enough to push him over. The fact that flash looked a lot better than bisu in their MUs is diminished by the fact that Bisu looked a lot better than JD and JD looked a lot better than flash, with those being the top 3. Someone is going to have to be placed under someone that beat them head to head. | ||
|
chisuri
Vietnam789 Posts
Bisu lost to Flash twice, won everything else including 1 game vs JD, 1 game vs Flash, essentially gained his team WL championship. Now look at this and tell me honesty who do you think should be number 1? | ||
|
J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On April 26 2011 01:15 evilfatsh1t wrote: wrong. pr is all about the players performance in the last 30 days. thats why flash and jaedong havent been 1st/2nd consistently the past few months there have been players whos done better than them in a 30day period which puts them on top in pr Wrong. Totally and completely wrong. Since 07/08/2009, there have been THREE players on top of the PR: Flash, Stork and Jaedong. During this time there have been players who have had better months than these three, but they haven't been on top of the PR. This is because the PR is all about the perceived power of players and not "all about the players performance for the last 30 days". EDIT: Please tell me you weren't being serious... | ||
|
chisuri
Vietnam789 Posts
JD looked strong in the MSL games but that's two games and he didn't face Bisu there. His game with Bisu is very much owned. Bisu played very good game, won convincingly even against JD and Flash. In the first MSL game, he had a advantage and should have won if he didn't make a mistake when trying to break Flash's push. In the final game, he broke Flash's army and had a chance. But the lack of preparation really did hurt him, sometimes he looked like he didn't know the map. | ||
|
Biff The Understudy
France8086 Posts
On April 26 2011 02:57 chisuri wrote: Flash won Bisu twice, lost to each of JD and Bisu once. He also lost to best, who is in a huge slump. Achievement: MSL Ro32. Bisu lost to Flash twice, won everything else including 1 game vs JD, 1 game vs Flash, essentially gained his team WL championship. Now look at this and tell me honesty who do you think should be number 1? Your Bisu positive achievement can be reduced to: beat Flash with a nice cheese exploiting a weakness in a new standard build. PR is not about what you win and what you lose. Winning shitty games and having good stats is usually a lower place than losing more games but displaying amazing qualities. PR is about who is better this month. Period. Winning once while cheesing against Flash and then get raped twice in standart games despite a huuuuuuge bo advantage is not precisely the best way to be considered as the better player PRwise. There is one and only one game which is worrying for Flash this month, which is the one against Jaedong where he got brutally raped. Bisu cheesed him nicely, and BeSt is his arch-opponent and the best PvT in the world when he plays well as he did today. I mean seriously. | ||
|
chisuri
Vietnam789 Posts
On April 26 2011 03:52 Biff The Understudy wrote: Your Bisu positive achievement can be reduced to: beat Flash with a nice cheese exploiting a weakness in a new standard build. PR is not about what you win and what you lose. Winning shitty games and having good stats is usually a lower place than losing more games but displaying amazing qualities. PR is about who is better this month. Period. Winning once while cheesing against Flash and then get raped twice in standart games despite a huuuuuuge bo advantage is not precisely the best way to be considered as the better player PRwise. There is one and only one game which is worrying for Flash this month, which is the one against Jaedong where he got brutally raped. Bisu cheesed him nicely, and BeSt is his arch-opponent and the best PvT in the world when he plays well as he did today. I mean seriously. There is only 1 game I worry for Bisu in this month, that's the game on Monte Cristo where he did one mistake and Terran was imba. Other than that, Bisu won everything, even a championship, even Jaedong who raped Flash straight up, even Flash in a final without any kind of cheese just good aggression to counter greedy Terran. Flash is his arch-opponent, he is at his peak and the best TvP in the world when he played well as he did that day. And in that game, Flash got a BO advantage, 1 rax CC unpunished vs range expand, | ||
|
Biff The Understudy
France8086 Posts
On April 26 2011 03:52 chisuri wrote: Yes I saw Flash was completely helpless in his games vs JD, Bisu and Best. That's how I perceived his "power". JD looked strong in the MSL games but that's two games and he didn't face Bisu there. His game with Bisu is very much owned. Bisu played very good game, won convincingly even against JD and Flash. In the first MSL game, he had a advantage and should have won if he didn't make a mistake when trying to break Flash's push. In the final game, he broke Flash's army and had a chance. But the lack of preparation really did hurt him, sometimes he looked like he didn't know the map. lol. Are you serious? I've seen display of fanboyism, but that's really a caricature. In their three games, you would say that Flash looked helpless against Bisu? Are you fucking kidding me? Bisu can't win with forcing to cancel a 8rax, and the game he won was by streaming zealot on close position while being unscouted, which is great, but not that impressive. Let's be clear, he deserved his victory because he had the ball to go for it, but this last WL game means nothing. Now losing that first MSL game is not bad, it's horrendous. He lost to a player who had an enormous handicap, wasn't able to harass, wasn't able to really outexpand, wasn't able to flank and got timed push like a beginner while transitionning to carrier against an opponent who had an almost maxed army ready to rape. In the last MSL game, he never broke Flash army. He got harassed to death, failed repetedely to protect his expo when some goons would have been enough, and got absolutely steamrolled despite his 7878545 arbiters. He was never ever in an advantage. He did one flank which killed more tank than if Flash had been perfectly positionned. Now, Flash lost badly to BeSt. He didn't managed to scout him getting his 3rd, and from the late early game, the game was in BeSt hands. Gratz to him, he has an incredible PvT. Jaedong is Flash only current rival. Let's see how it goes from now, because they are very certainly #1 and #2 at the moment. | ||
|
Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
| ||
|
Biff The Understudy
France8086 Posts
On April 26 2011 03:56 chisuri wrote: There is only 1 game I worry for Bisu in this month, that's the game on Monte Cristo where he did one mistake and Terran was imba. Other than that, Bisu won everything, even a championship, even Jaedong who raped Flash straight up, even Flash in a final without any kind of cheese just good aggression to counter greedy Terran. Flash is his arch-opponent, he is at his peak and the best TvP in the world when he played well as he did that day. And in that game, Flash got a BO advantage, 1 rax CC unpunished vs range expand, Winning one game when your team is 3-1 by "cheesing" (see next post) on a hugely favored PvT map is "winning a tournament"? Wow. Cut the bs with the greedy terran etc. Bisu didn't have a clue what to do in both his MSL games. He got schooled. User was warned for this post | ||
|
Biff The Understudy
France8086 Posts
On April 26 2011 04:03 Kyuukyuu wrote: just a note, when you still call bisu > flash on aztec a cheese build the rest of your post loses all credibility Ok, it's not a cheese. It's an original and very agressive opening, designed to exploit a weakness in the raxFE trendy build. It worked exceptionnaly well, because Flash scouted opposite side while being on close position. Had Flash been crossed position or scouuted him, he would have seen the stream of zealot and bunker'd up. All credit go to Bisu for this game. But it doesn't say much more than the fact that he micro'ed amazingly and has a lot of creativity. Saying that this shows he is better than Flash, and that despite the two brutal rape of the MSL, is just absurd. | ||
|
kamikami
France1057 Posts
On April 26 2011 04:03 Biff The Understudy wrote: Winning one game when your team is 3-1 by cheesing on a hugely favored PvT map is "winning a tournament"? Wow. Cut the bs with the greedy terran etc. Bisu didn't have a clue what to do in both his MSL games. He got schooled. Yeah and Flash got schooled too in SWL final vs Bisu, MSL vs Jaedong and SPL vs BeSt (lol); so what's the point ? And do you know that you are turning the conversation to a completely unrelated direction ? | ||
|
GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
Goddamn, there should be mental alarm clocks for this! GJ man! | ||
| ||
