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Although it's great to be fans of your respective teams, remember to keep all discourse civil. Progamers work very hard, and there are probably reasons as to why certain players are sent out at certain times.

Further disrespectful posts will be dealt with strictly.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66363 Posts
April 02 2011 08:27 GMT
#2561
YES YES YES YES YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
POGGERS
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2345 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 08:41:16
April 02 2011 08:35 GMT
#2562
Thats SKT. Some players play bad, but the others save the day :D
Yeah BISU! Now i'm waiting for Best to recover
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
April 02 2011 08:35 GMT
#2563
I wish Oz could net more wins without Jaedong. Bisu only needed to do a 1-kill while Jaedong needed 3 kills. Step it up, Oz!
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
April 02 2011 08:43 GMT
#2564
Kona where were uze? I had an awesome conference-call Skype-Casting thing goin with Mortican an Flamewheel!
BW4LYF . . . . . . PM me, I LOVE PMs. . . . . . Long live "NaDa's Body" . . . . . . Fantasy | Bisu/Best | Jaedong . . . . .
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
April 02 2011 08:49 GMT
#2565
Ya know despite liking Fantasy I sorta hoped Oz would win this one - partially because KT seems to have SKT's number lately and partially because I wanted to see Oz actually win something instead of another KT/SKT thing.

Better luck next time I guess. SKT better not disappoint in the finals.
MisteR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands595 Posts
April 02 2011 09:00 GMT
#2566
Heh, well I kinda expected Oz to do well. Pity they decided to send out Killer first, when I feel he's really good in one of the later spots. Props to Bisu to win it when it counts.
Nal_Ra/Much/Horang2/Flying fighting!~
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
April 02 2011 09:00 GMT
#2567
BISUUUUUUUU
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 09:27:36
April 02 2011 09:27 GMT
#2568
should have sent hiya instead of dear imo..wasted a slot in such an important match..
김태연 | 정은지 | 아이유 |  한효주 | 이민정 <3 -|||- 소녀시대 에이핑크 사랑해!
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
April 02 2011 09:38 GMT
#2569
On April 02 2011 18:27 Katsuge wrote:
should have sent hiya instead of dear imo..wasted a slot in such an important match..


Hiya's TvT has been quite terrible lately, so I believe sending him out against Ssak (who's pretty solid in the matchup) would've been a risky choice.
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letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
April 02 2011 09:51 GMT
#2570
oh my, JD (((((, why oh why, well I still blame OZ for not sending HIya.. Well at least JD won Fanta and some zerg
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
April 02 2011 09:55 GMT
#2571
eeeeh awesome that skt-1 wins, but what's all this stuff with forum police these days?
it's getting a bit ridiculous imo that every thread has a crappy msg on top of it, regardless on whether it's sc2 or sc1... didn't rly read the thread but cant imagine its that many ppl here being outta line... if some players are, just ban em, saves the rest of us that banner and doesnt make tl seem like a police state -_-
its me
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
April 02 2011 10:06 GMT
#2572
Oh Jaedong But good job work to him for beating Fantasy! Congrats to SK Telecom
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2140 Posts
April 02 2011 10:15 GMT
#2573
On April 02 2011 16:25 Taekwon wrote:
No srsly, when are the finals =/
Nothing on future events

Next Saturday, according to the Fomos calendar.
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
April 02 2011 10:17 GMT
#2574
oh Ssak got a 2-kill and no Hiya? Must watch VODs later.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
April 02 2011 10:30 GMT
#2575
first time i've seen a warning on a BW thread o.O

Dang weird to see Ssak with 2 kills
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 10:59:29
April 02 2011 10:58 GMT
#2576
On April 02 2011 17:24 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 17:22 ArvickHero wrote:
On April 02 2011 17:10 Milkis wrote:
On April 02 2011 17:07 ArvickHero wrote:
roflmao its not like PvZ is easy for Protoss either. In fact there's a good reason why Z>P historically (and ZvP has the higher winning percentage still when averaging out all the current maps win%). Zergs look fragile when they play against Bisu, but Bisu's PvZ is 70% and there's only 2 PvZ's that exceed 59% (Not counting Brave).

Also Jaedong always plays the insanely risky style, so blame him for losing so often for being so damn risky. Most other Zergs play a somewhat more conservative, less risky style lol..


ZvP ratio dropped quite a bit over this season. What you said is true the last few years, but this year ZvP is def Protoss favored.

I'd argue its still Zerg favored, but not as much to the point where it's a pretty balanced matchup. Zergs lost a lot the beginning of this season because A) Bisu skewing the numbers and B) Many Zergs just dying to the initial 6-8 Zealots before they figured out the optimal reaction against it (some Zergs still die to it today rofl).

I still its a little Zerg favored because of how insanely good large Lurker fields + Swarm and ninja plaguing is (therefore Ultra/ling falling out of favor recently) if Zergs can get to that stage, but its still pretty balanced since both races can straight up win outright at any stage of the game.


A "little" Zerg favored? You may be right about that. But the point is that there has been a rather large drop in ZvP win rate even after you remove Bisu/Jaedong. Of course it's more accentuated with Bisu but the difference still exists. Hell, at some point the 100 game average dropped below 50 For ZvP, which is quite amusing.

You guys will be able to see these charts someday ~~~~


well, you can't really exclude Bisu, even if you stop considering his personal success in this MU. Truth is, when he is doing great in pvz other toss players lift up their play as well. More or less it becomes a paradigm the rest of the pack follows. Ever since 2007 PvZ is in constant cycle of Bisu reinventing himself in it and the zerg players catching up to his style. I wont say he is the sole trend setter, but his impact on the way ppl see the match up is huge. The reason why no one cant just copy his PvZ from a to z, is because he has incredible decision making and reacts to the game flow better than anyone, if things are not going his way. A recent game vs Calm comes in mind.
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
April 02 2011 11:00 GMT
#2577
Crap overslept, but maybe its better than watch Oz fall =[
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
zlosynus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Czech Republic339 Posts
April 02 2011 11:05 GMT
#2578
On April 02 2011 18:38 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 18:27 Katsuge wrote:
should have sent hiya instead of dear imo..wasted a slot in such an important match..


Hiya's TvT has been quite terrible lately, so I believe sending him out against Ssak (who's pretty solid in the matchup) would've been a risky choice.


Probably better would be to send PM second, JD after that and save Hiya for Bisu.
ILOVEKITTENS
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Korea (South)112 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 11:16:30
April 02 2011 11:15 GMT
#2579
On April 02 2011 19:58 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 17:24 Milkis wrote:
On April 02 2011 17:22 ArvickHero wrote:
On April 02 2011 17:10 Milkis wrote:
On April 02 2011 17:07 ArvickHero wrote:
roflmao its not like PvZ is easy for Protoss either. In fact there's a good reason why Z>P historically (and ZvP has the higher winning percentage still when averaging out all the current maps win%). Zergs look fragile when they play against Bisu, but Bisu's PvZ is 70% and there's only 2 PvZ's that exceed 59% (Not counting Brave).

Also Jaedong always plays the insanely risky style, so blame him for losing so often for being so damn risky. Most other Zergs play a somewhat more conservative, less risky style lol..


ZvP ratio dropped quite a bit over this season. What you said is true the last few years, but this year ZvP is def Protoss favored.

I'd argue its still Zerg favored, but not as much to the point where it's a pretty balanced matchup. Zergs lost a lot the beginning of this season because A) Bisu skewing the numbers and B) Many Zergs just dying to the initial 6-8 Zealots before they figured out the optimal reaction against it (some Zergs still die to it today rofl).

I still its a little Zerg favored because of how insanely good large Lurker fields + Swarm and ninja plaguing is (therefore Ultra/ling falling out of favor recently) if Zergs can get to that stage, but its still pretty balanced since both races can straight up win outright at any stage of the game.


A "little" Zerg favored? You may be right about that. But the point is that there has been a rather large drop in ZvP win rate even after you remove Bisu/Jaedong. Of course it's more accentuated with Bisu but the difference still exists. Hell, at some point the 100 game average dropped below 50 For ZvP, which is quite amusing.

You guys will be able to see these charts someday ~~~~


well, you can't really exclude Bisu, even if you stop considering his personal success in this MU. Truth is, when he is doing great in pvz other toss players lift up their play as well. More or less it becomes a paradigm the rest of the pack follows. Ever since 2007 PvZ is in constant cycle of Bisu reinventing himself in it and the zerg players catching up to his style. I wont say he is the sole trend setter, but his impact on the way ppl see the match up is huge. The reason why no one cant just copy his PvZ from a to z, is because he has incredible decision making and reacts to the game flow better than anyone, if things are not going his way. A recent game vs Calm comes in mind.

On the contrary, I think his decision-making is very questionable sometimes, definitely more often than other players of approximately his level. He often sticks to a strategy even if he sees that it is being BO-countered (can't tell if this is cocky or straight bad decision-making but it costs him many of his games), he doesn't really tailor his gameplay to the person he is playing (cough Shine), and he loses units which he might not have otherwise lost as a result of these two factors (like the games where he does indeed fail with his first 1-6 zealots). Although he wouldn't pull a PerfectMan with that Black Ops strike force attempt on 3 simcitied sunks with dras and drones blocking the way, he does make clear blunders of similar nature sometime. I am going to side with the tried-and-true Bisu motto, and that is that Bisu is insane at multi-tasking and therefore harass, which is why the builds that have gotten him the most renown (reaver/sair, sair/dt, 6zeal/sair, dt drop vs. T, etc. etc.) are really demanding on the mechanical level. He relies on this far more than any decision-making ability.

EDIT: Although,

YEA BISU! Good job! I had to go to sleep because of work after the JD vs. Fantasy match, and I slept peacefully thinking you would it off. And you did! Grats! Gogo SKT vs KT!
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
April 02 2011 11:27 GMT
#2580
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