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On March 27 2011 01:59 Neo7 wrote:
I like how the poll has Bisu hype but sSak and Fantasy left nothing for Bisu to bulldoze. Fantasy has been on quite an amazing streak so far. Maybe his inner iloveoov teachings are starting to transform him into a scary S player.
Oh, no worries. Bisu got a winner interview anyway if you saw the match live on stream. You can see the translations from Milkis if you flip couple pages back.
Yep, Bisu gets winnter interviews even if he doesn't play.
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GOD DAMN ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
wtf ;; _; AFIANFAKGNf
why?
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
Fantasy is pretty awesome. When it counts he is there for his team.
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On March 27 2011 03:51 Kenpachi wrote:
GOD DAMN ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
wtf ;; _; AFIANFAKGNf
why?
uhmm, because Hite can't handle SKT. they're just too good :p
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Fantasy so clutch during playoffs. ^_^
BTW..another disappointing exit by hite despite having so much talents but lacking a true ace(effort) definitely hurts. -_-
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Hmm, considering that Flash loses points for the games outside of the last 3 months, Fantasy may indeed pass him this month. After all, Fantasy's big points(OSL) are still recent, while Flash's achievements each go down by 10%. Flash may take a good 100-200 point drop this month.
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1 win!? Seriously!? Leta has been sketchy for a while, so his game was mostly an opportunity to shine. He could've beaten the entire SKT1 bench on a good day, but it ended with Ssak. My biggest disappointment is with Snow. He has awesome vT stats AND the game was played on Aztec, a map that is broken PvT. If Kal can beat Flash on Aztec straight up, Snow should have done the same vs. Fantasy. We know he can prepare for important games (see games vs. Flash & Jaedong). Today he didn't and he let everyone down.
It is a game of inches though. If Hydra had defended his third base better, maybe things would've been different. The guardian tech switch was scary good.
Even Snow was in a good position until his zealot line went up in smoke. Movie broke through a couple of times but couldn't defend adequately against Fantasy. Hite needs more training.
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On March 27 2011 05:28 Emon_ wrote:
1 win!? Seriously!? Leta has been sketchy for a while, so his game was mostly an opportunity to shine. He could've easily the entire SKT1 bench, but it ended with Ssak. My biggest disappointment is with Snow. He has awesome vT stats AND the game was played on Aztec, a map that is broken PvT. If Kal can beat Flash on Aztec straight up, Snow should have done the same vs. Fantasy.
Did you even watch the game?
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Good play from Fantasy. Nice and solid, nothing out of hte blue. Bisu didn't even have to play lol. Now how many times have that happened?
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Whats with that "Bisu did not even have to play"? Fantasy and Best were a core players as well. It was for long 3 men in the house, not only Bisu. Now one of them is in slump, as Bisu was 1 year ago. This is not some regular one-man sKrub-ass Team...
this is SpeKTacular team!!!111
(ok, not fair for KT, as they had Violet and Stats as well...)
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I firmly believe that you should start out with your rookies and the players that are weak under pressure, while keeping the strongest and most confident for last. Ideally that's how it should go, since the early spots put less pressure on the players than the latter ones. The last spot, especially, should be reserved for those guys that can perform under very difficult circumstances; in winner's league they might even have to pull of the reserve all-kill.
The (relatively!) low-pressure situation in the first match, between Ssak and Leta, favored Ssak and disfavored Leta. Ssak is pretty much a rookie and he still has a lot to prove. That said, he is obviously a skilled player. Playing first is good for him since it will allow him to keep control of his nerves and play to his potential. Leta, on the other hand, is one of the best ace players in the game, on nearly the same level as the true greats like Flash and Jaedong. He has time and again shown to perform under the heaviest pressure, and also that he likes to save his team, a trait Sea, for example, shares with him. Leta therefore thrives on playing in the last spot, but if he's first out, he will have trouble motivating himself. Given that the differences in skill level on the top of BW gaming are pretty small, it is no real surprise that this allowed Ssak to gain the upper hand, before the game even started.
Similar things happen when Hydra, the de facto ace of Hite, is played second, while Movie, who is no ace player by any stretch of the imagination, has to patch it all up in the final spot.
Now I want you to understand that this is only one factor of many more: maps, mindgames, form of the day, training performances, etc. all play their part. Still, when the differences in skill are so tiny, the smallest things can be decisive. In this instance, I firmly believe that Hite lost what otherwise would've been a close match because they did not take into account the role of pressure and how their players deal with it.
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On March 27 2011 06:20 MisteR wrote:
The (relatively!) low-pressure situation in the first match, between Ssak and Leta, favored Ssak and disfavored Leta. Ssak is pretty much a rookie and he still has a lot to prove. That said, he is obviously a skilled player. Playing first is good for him since it will allow him to keep control of his nerves and play to his potential. Leta, on the other hand, is one of the best ace players in the game, on nearly the same level as the true greats like Flash and Jaedong. their players deal with it.
lol have u not watch letas games lately, we are no longer in 2008, leta is far far wayr from flash and jd
the real no.2 terran in the world is named fantasy
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SKT is really starting to shine as Fantasy's play matures, and his 3-kill demonstrates that. Although Hite is a great team, their star player Hydra is not a true ace. Fantasy is skt's number 2 player, and the general consensus is that Hydra vs Fantasy is quite balanced. Even if Fantasy lost, SKT's ace Bisu would completely trash Hydra. What I'm trying to say is that nobody on Hite is favored to win over Bisu/Fantasy, so SKT on a good day will completely steamroll Hite in winners' league.
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On March 27 2011 08:12 fatfail wrote:
SKT is really starting to shine as Fantasy's play matures, and his 3-kill demonstrates that. Although Hite is a great team, their star player Hydra is not a true ace. Fantasy is skt's number 2 player, and the general consensus is that Hydra vs Fantasy is quite balanced. Even if Fantasy lost, SKT's ace Bisu would completely trash Hydra. What I'm trying to say is that nobody on Hite is favored to win over Bisu/Fantasy, so SKT on a good day will completely steamroll Hite in winners' league.
Excuse me, what? In what way does Fantasy's 3-kill demonstrate that he is "maturing" as a player? The guy is a three-time finalist, he has been an ace player for more than two years (no, Bisu was never SKT's sole ace), he is known for his meticolous preparation and excellent play in high-stakes situations, he carried SKT for roughly half a year while Bisu slumped, he beat Jaedong - twice - in the Proleague finals, and he's done a multitude of 4-kills. Do you honestly think he has anything left to prove?
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In my opinion Hite entus line-up has more variety, perhaps the overall skill level of the players is higher there, (Movie, Hydra, Snow, Leta etc), whereas SKT has 2 very powerfull ace players(Bisu and Fantasy) and the rest is below the level of the aforementioned Hite Entus players right now. In winners league however, the latter is more powerfull then the former.
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On March 27 2011 09:38 Kipsate wrote:
In my opinion Hite entus line-up has more variety, perhaps the overall skill level of the players is higher there, (Movie, Hydra, Snow, Leta etc), whereas SKT has 2 very powerfull ace players(Bisu and Fantasy) and the rest is below the level of the aforementioned Hite Entus players right now. In winners league however, the latter is more powerfull then the former.
SKT has the deepest team in the league. How many other team's 8th best player can take a game off of Leta and Flash. Look at all the people who made leagues. Hyuk in the OSL, Ssak in the MSL paralyse in the OSL s2 in the MSL, all of them get limited to no playing time. SKT went undefeated R1, that format we supposedly are bad at.
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On March 27 2011 09:23 Prototype wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 08:12 fatfail wrote:
SKT is really starting to shine as Fantasy's play matures, and his 3-kill demonstrates that. Although Hite is a great team, their star player Hydra is not a true ace. Fantasy is skt's number 2 player, and the general consensus is that Hydra vs Fantasy is quite balanced. Even if Fantasy lost, SKT's ace Bisu would completely trash Hydra. What I'm trying to say is that nobody on Hite is favored to win over Bisu/Fantasy, so SKT on a good day will completely steamroll Hite in winners' league. Excuse me, what? In what way does Fantasy's 3-kill demonstrate that he is "maturing" as a player? The guy is a three-time finalist, he has been an ace player for more than two years (no, Bisu was never SKT's sole ace), he is known for his meticolous preparation and excellent play in high-stakes situations, he carried SKT for roughly half a year while Bisu slumped, he beat Jaedong - twice - in the Proleague finals, and he's done a multitude of 4-kills. Do you honestly think he has anything left to prove?
I am a huge Fantasy fan, yet I admit that in the past he wasn't such a reliable player. He consistently lost at starleague finals, and his tvz was considered gimmicky and downright bad. After his 3-0 OSL win, and recent proleague matches, I'm very impressed by his improvement into an even more solid, dependable player. I was simply citing his 3-kill against a highly ranked team as evidence that he is better than ever. Do you object to my statements?
In reply to your final remark, yes I do think he has more to prove. He is the next player in the SKT terran line and has a lot to live up to. His improvements show that he definitely can enter the realm of s-class and rival the other top players such as Flash and Jaedong.
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On March 27 2011 10:14 fatfail wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 09:23 Prototype wrote:On March 27 2011 08:12 fatfail wrote:
SKT is really starting to shine as Fantasy's play matures, and his 3-kill demonstrates that. Although Hite is a great team, their star player Hydra is not a true ace. Fantasy is skt's number 2 player, and the general consensus is that Hydra vs Fantasy is quite balanced. Even if Fantasy lost, SKT's ace Bisu would completely trash Hydra. What I'm trying to say is that nobody on Hite is favored to win over Bisu/Fantasy, so SKT on a good day will completely steamroll Hite in winners' league. Excuse me, what? In what way does Fantasy's 3-kill demonstrate that he is "maturing" as a player? The guy is a three-time finalist, he has been an ace player for more than two years (no, Bisu was never SKT's sole ace), he is known for his meticolous preparation and excellent play in high-stakes situations, he carried SKT for roughly half a year while Bisu slumped, he beat Jaedong - twice - in the Proleague finals, and he's done a multitude of 4-kills. Do you honestly think he has anything left to prove? I am a huge Fantasy fan, yet I admit that in the past he wasn't such a reliable player. He consistently lost at starleague finals, and his tvz was considered gimmicky and downright bad. After his 3-0 OSL win, and recent proleague matches, I'm very impressed by his improvement into an even more solid, dependable player. I was simply citing his 3-kill against a highly ranked team as evidence that he is better than ever. Do you object to my statements? In reply to your final remark, yes I do think he has more to prove. He is the next player in the SKT terran line and has a lot to live up to. His improvements show that he definitely can enter the realm of s-class and rival the other top players such as Flash and Jaedong.
Considering Fantasy just recovered from his post-OSL rut, I'm going to say yes, I do object to your statements. You can't say he has elevated his level of play when he just returned to form and has a history of performing under precisely these circumstances.
Yes, the OSL finals showed Fantasy at his best, but that was more than two months ago, and for what it matters, he impressed me even more last year when he carried his team to the proleage finals, went on a 12 game win streak, and was by far the greatest adversary standing in God Jung Ho's way to dual golds.
What's the point of bringing up Fantasy's TvZ? It's awesome, but it's not any different from before.
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With people dissing Fantasy's prowess just proves how he is being overshadowed by Flash.
Fantasy is the 2nd most awesome player in the world, with Bisu, then Jaedong, then Stork trailing behind. Among the 4, Fantasy is the most INCONSISTENT But if these guys are in their good days, He's the Best among them.
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