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![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/9SdnO.png) Recycled banner. Still looking good, though.
Saturday, March 12th 2011, 13:00 KST, Channel OnGameNet
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/bQFjl.png) + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler [Game 1] + Poll: Would you recommend game 1?Yes (7) 47% Check it out if you have time. (6) 40% No (2) 13% 15 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 1? (Vote): Yes
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(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
Poll: Would you recommend game 2?No (3) 38% Check it out if you have time. (3) 38% Yes (2) 25% 8 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 2? (Vote): Yes
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(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
Poll: Would you recommend game 3?No (6) 75% Yes (2) 25% Check it out if you have time. (0) 0% 8 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
Poll: Would you recommend game 4?Check it out if you have time. (3) 43% Yes (2) 29% No (2) 29% 7 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 4? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
Poll: Would you recommend game 5?Yes (9) 69% No (4) 31% Check it out if you have time. (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 5? (Vote): Yes
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(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
Poll: Would you recommend game 6?No (8) 57% Check it out if you have time. (4) 29% Yes (2) 14% 14 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 6? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
How to Watch:Post your stream links here and I'll add them as soon as I see them or PM them to me.http://1.plu.cn/? (chinese, requires IE and the installation of PPlive, may or may not broadcast match.)
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(unplayed games will be given random description to avoid spoilers).
+ Show Spoiler [Game 1] + PvT on Bloody Ridge. It has interesting spots, but I guess most of you can figure out what will happen pretty quickly. Big Meh from me.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +While not very one-sided, the game had a bad quality in total. The end was totally lop-sided, of course. No.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] + Unorthodox ZvZ. Skip to the middle for a glimpse of awesome? Still, only check it out if you have time.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] + Single attack into gg. Skip it.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] + Entertaining, but not too high-quality. Maybe if you have time.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] + Weird strategy, worth a watch, if only to LOL
+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] + BO win, plain and simple. No.
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This time the fan interview features the star Moderator Harem and the biggest STX fan outside Estonia, Carnivorous Sheep!
+ Show Spoiler +1. Winners League is ending, as only 3-4 games per team are to be played. Hwaseung is at 2-nd place with a 10-5 record, while STX is at 6-th place with a 7-8 record. Should the team's fan be satisfied with such a result? Carnivorous Sheep: Hwaseung fans should be quite glad that players like Hiya and Killer stepped up when Jaedong faltered a bit. As a STX fan, I am admittedly a little disappointed. The team had a lot of chances, but a lot of unfortunate things happened. Harem: I'm decently satisfied but Cheep? He's a fake STX fan anyways. Loser doesn't even translate STX interviews anymore. He may as well change his icon to something that fits him more. (T1) 2. Are you looking forward to Winners League being over? Why (not)?Carnivorous Sheep:Honestly, yes. STX does much better in non WL  Harem: Of course not. 2 rounds of it is amazing though it should probably be split up instead of consecutively. Plus, minidong still needs that first allkill. 3. Last Round, OZ triumphed over STX with a convincing 4-1. Can we expect an all-kill this time? Or have STX crafted something to defeat JD in an upset?Carnivorous Sheep:Jaedong isn't his usualy scary self, and personally I can see this going either way. STX definitely has a pretty good shot. Harem: Oz could just send out their B-Team (bonjwa team) and win TBH. sHy already crushed STX by himself in Dream League. He'll clearly do it again with the best facial expressions on his face afterwards. 4. Which matchups are you looking forward the most? Both teams have a plethora of well-performing players at the moment, but also their fair share of failing when it counts. Name 3 matches you would love to see.Carnivorous Sheep:Calm-Jaedong for the old mini rivlary, Kal-Jaedong for a nice PvZ, and Kal-Hiya for a potentially good PvT. Harem: ZvP is awesome so Kaldong is always welcomed. Kal going scouts and losing to Hiya's aggressive pushing is always fun too. Last but not least, Anytime destroying ____ with DTs. It doesn't even matter who. 5. Who will we see on Bloody Ridge? As a general trend, Terrans avoid BR, while Zergs and Protoss get played often. Can we expect a  Jaedong vs.  Kal right off the bat?Carnivorous Sheep: If we see that that'd be amazing. Personally I have no idea, and I've long since given up predicting line-ups in WL. Anything can happen! Harem: Oz will prob send Killer or Princess or one of their Bonjwa level protoss. As the almighty Jesus once said in the bible, "Hwaseung Protosses are the best Protosses." - From the book of Ziziyous 3:42 Whoever STX sends will be cannon fodder so point is moot anyways. 6. Let's fuel the fanboy panic again. Jaedong has a lower win-loss ratio than Killer at the moment. What are your thoughts on that?Carnivorous Sheep: Surprised O_O A little confused O_O Harem: What's so surprising about that? Weejaedongjwa is #1 zerg. 7. From the STX side, Shuttle seems to be slumping since Round 1. Should he continue to be fielded? Carnivorous Sheep: Yes, because he recently carried STX in the ace match against WeMade in a convincing victory against Baby. He definitely has what it takes, and more he wins the more confidence he'll build, and the better he'll get. The recent win definitely gave him much needed momentum and I'd love to see him fielded here. Harem: I'll let Cheep handle this since he is so used to failure. 8. We haven't seen  Lomo, Princess, Classic and Trap in a long while. Will they return after Winners League or will they get fielded before that?Carnivorous Sheep: I think there'll be more chances after WL. Harem: Lomo has played some (such as crushing Stars) but the absence of Princess is saddening. He must feel so alone. ;; Classic hasn't been seen because he is currently filling in for Jay Leno while he is currently on vacation. (so convincing that no one even noticed the difference) 9. Out of your team, who has been the most overplayed and the most underplayed player? Please give a short explanation.Carnivorous Sheep: For the reasons stated above, I think Shuttle has been really underplayed. I don't think anyone's really overplayed, but just because STX has so many capable players, we don't get to see everyone all the time. Harem: Hiya has started to return to Gyarados form but it would still be nice to see some more Anytime, Princess, or sHy playtime instead. 10. Which teams would you like to see in the Playoffs? (Currently KT, OZ, KHAN, and SKT, closely followed by Hite and STX) Can STX still make it? Is OZ's position certain?Carnivorous Sheep: I think Oz's spot is pretty secure, but with a little bit of last minute clutch play, STX can definitely make the cut, and of course I'd love to see STX. Harem: Oz, Stars, Hite, STX, Wemade, and random filler team here would be awesome playoffs but won't happen. STX's chance of making playoffs depends on how much chicken that they are willing to part/bribe with. Oz is winning the playoffs so yes. 11. Any last words?Carnivorous Sheep: STX fighting I suppose. Our performance has definitely had some really good clutch plays like taking down Flash, but overall we're definitely underperforming. So good luck STX!
Harem: Cheep is a keyboard/copper rank zerg who needs to stop feeding in LoL. Bring back VWolf. People liked him. 
Poll: Who are you rooting for?Hwaseung OZ (28) 64% STX SouL (10) 23% I'm just hoping for good games. (3) 7% Both! Decision making is for suckers! (3) 7% 44 total votes Your vote: Who are you rooting for? (Vote): Hwaseung OZ
(Vote): STX SouL
(Vote): I'm just hoping for good games.
(Vote): Both! Decision making is for suckers!
Poll: Who will win?Hwaseung OZ (7) 64% STX SouL (2) 18% I voted and didn't say anything at the same time. Take that, poll! (2) 18% 11 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): Hwaseung OZ
(Vote): STX SouL
(Vote): I voted and didn't say anything at the same time. Take that, poll!
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OZ HWAITING!!!!!!!!!!!~~~
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Bogus all kill here we come!
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Killer all kill more like it!
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I'm going to hype this.
How can Jaedong vs. Kal not be good?
Calm, with a cunning strategy, anyone?
Hiya delivering yet another entertaining build?
Or Bogus snipes everyone and grabs the all kill.
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hoping for more oz toss wins!
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STX isn't loved enough on TL.
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United States10155 Posts
Kal>JD...
in a million years.
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JD will get a 3 kill!
Someone stream pleaseeuuu!
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I'm hoping for a few TvZs. And hoping to NOT see Kal vs Jaedong.
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Expecting lots of JvZ (Calm/hero/Modesty) but I hope we get some JD vs. Bogus/Kal instead.
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according to Um Jae-Kyung on Twitter if STX SouL loses today, they have pretty much no chance. :o
STX FIGHTING!
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United States11390 Posts
Cheep dodged interview?
TYPICAL.
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Estonia4504 Posts
Interviews are up! Sorry for the HUGE delay, but a man needs sleep. Big thanks to Harem and Carnivorous Sheep!
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ty for the interviews, harem didn't pull any punches :3
Carnivorous Sheep: STX fighting I suppose
indeed!
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JD's only recent loss is against Flash (I think) otherwise he's been picking it up. Then again Kal seems to be playing solidly again. Should be a good match
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Estonia4504 Posts
On March 12 2011 12:59 moopie wrote:ty for the interviews, harem didn't pull any punches :3 indeed!
STX FIGHTING!
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Bisutopia19237 Posts
Two of the same poll? Hoping for a Kal v JD!
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Estonia4504 Posts
On March 12 2011 13:01 BisuDagger wrote:
Two of the same poll? Hoping for a Kal v JD!
My bad, fixed!
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Just got a stream up, PvT, P is from Oz, T is from STX
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Okay, the P for Hwaseung is SKy, and the T for STX is CuteAngel
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Sky vs Frozen.
EDIT: well damn.
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SC2 steals another TLPD
and it is sky, who is differnt than shy
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DAMN YOU SC2 TLPD
edit - They even took Frozean.
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Sky kills a depot at frozean's walloff, but backs off because he doesn't have the army to push in.
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I think Sea/Midas/Light (one of them) tried this shitty build on this map... 2 fact while lifting onto high ground to sneak a vulture. mmm...
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Is that factory outsdide of frozean's base? I suspect vultures.
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2 fact from frozen. He tries to float the 2nd fact outside of his base but a pylon there spots it. Frozen retreats it back into his base.
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Canada2480 Posts
machine shop still not spinning, frozen gonna have a hard time defending the dragoons
Sky just back off instead
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frozen loses a tank, he is having more trouble than usual, producing up to 5 marines so far
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Sky getting his natural up, bringing his units back, becaus there are 3 tanks at the choke of frozean. Frozean pushes out with 3 tanks, 5 vults and 4 rines unless I miscounted.
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Frozen attacking anyway. He expands behind this. Sky's 2 gate range should fend this off.
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Frozean putting mines outside sky's natural, finds a proxied gateway in the middle of the map, and kills the pylon powering it. Sky is finishing up his observatory, getting a couple more gates.
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Frozean is at sky's natural, craton's stream goes down for a sec, sky pushing out with goons and an obs, frozean has to back off.
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Sky getting a stargate in his base, and on the minimap, I might see him taking his third, it's hard to tell.
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Core spinning. It's carriers.
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The real question is, 'can Kal overcome Jaedong?'
Jaedong often has Kal beat before either player gets in the booth; both players know Jaedong is the stronger one in both mental strength and skill. I predict Kal 3 killing until he meets Jaedong.
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The observer shows that frozean is just now getting a acadamy, so his scans will be late. However, it looks like Sky is going for carriers, because he's getting a second stargate. Frozean taking his third, and dky definitely has his third. Yup, it's carriers.
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third stargate on the way, I haven't seen any goliaths yet. Frozean is turtling up somewhat off of his 3 bases. He has a lot of tanks, and Sky seems to have almost no zealots. Sky drops zealots on the highground at frozean's third, they do good damage, allowing goons to run up the ramp, CC floats away, tanks kill lots of goons, CC is floating back
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woah! sky looks like turn
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Sky wastes his goons for 20 seconds delay of Frozean's third.
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Frozean gets his third back, it was probably out of commision for about a minute. He looks rather unprepared for carriers, but there's the first round of goliaths.
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3 carriers out so far, just sitting back for the time being. Frozean adding more factories, pumping out goliaths. He has a pretty decent tank count, Sky adding more gateways,, taking his fourth. his obs sees frozean move out.
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oh man. the carriers are going to be so good
nvm: good goliath count. manages to snipe the nat though
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Damn bloody ridge and its carrier-happy play
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Sky gets 5 carriers, he's pushing out with them. Sky maynarding probes to his fourth. Frozean somehow gets vultures into sky's natural and main, get a decent number of kills so far.
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looks like 6 carriers right now, attacking frozean's natural. I think the CC is going to go down, mass SCV repairing.
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Carriers back off without killing the CC, they snipe a tank. No real damage done to the carriers yet, as frozean snipes an obs. Templar archives is out, and we see a could high templar. Sky making another attempt on the CC at the nat.
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Frozean has 4 tanks shelling Sky's fourth, but a DT comes to clear them out, it looks like frozean's too busy to scan.It looks like sky got the CC at the nat last time, as it's being rebuilt now.
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The rebuilding CC gets sniped by carriers. Carriers also get a vessel, but wraiths come in and start cleaning up. I think that 2 carriers went down to the wraiths, but I'm not positive.
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Cloaked wraiths gambit!!! Atleast 3 carriers go down. Observer saves his ass.
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Right now frozean is on 2 bases (rebuilding his natural CC), Sky on 4, minimap looks like he's taking a 5th. Sky seems to have 5 carriers right now, against a moderate sized goliath army with some wraith support.
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Good storm goes off on 4 tanks, but without a second storm, none of the mdie. Looks like Sky is just now taking his fifth. There's a lull in the action as the stream lags out for a second or two.
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Sky is from the Dream League, right?
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Frozean has quite a good wraith army, but there's an observer nearby. I think he got 2 carriers and one observer, but again not 100% positive on the numbers.
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Wraiths all go down. Maybe 1 carrier killed.
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Wraiths didn't work. Its not too far from gg now. Carriers so strong on this map :/
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cuteangel phails again. lol
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Frozean taks his fourth base, and a zealot scouts it immediately. Stream goes down in protest of the maphack. When it comes back up 5 seconds later, carriers are in frozean's base, killing a factory. Goon/zeal/HT army moving in on frozean's fourth gets rebuffed.
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if only we had some more 2 player maps :'(
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I'm not really sure what the number of carriers is right now, but they seem to be doign pretty good damage to frozean's army right now. Frozean Sky taking ANOTHER base (thanks for the correction moopie  ).
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Yeah. Carriers are impossible on this map.
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Carrier snipe frozean's natural CC again, but it's almost mined out.
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On March 12 2011 13:27 CDRdude wrote:
Frozean taking ANOTHER base.
That would be sky.
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Frozean pushing out towards Sky's 6th, Sky has a small counter at frozean's fourth. The counter is doing good damage, and the carriers are cleaning up frozean's army pushing sky's 6th. GG.
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Sky smiling. He shouldn't be smug over a carrier win on bloody ridge.
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And here's the gg. This map needs to go for round 5.
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and gg. the power of carriers and multi attacks just proved too much
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Sky looks so happy, his first PL win haha ^^
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That was a nice smile from Sky no homo... xD only for Lomo =P
Finally OZ Toss =D
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Estonia4504 Posts
Poll: Would you recommend game 1?Yes (7) 47% Check it out if you have time. (6) 40% No (2) 13% 15 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 1? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
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United States11390 Posts
Not only are Hwaseung Protoss the best protosses in general but they also make the best faces. <3
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
On March 12 2011 13:30 razorsuKe wrote:
Sky looks so happy, his first PL win haha ^^
wait wat?
He already had won some decently microed PvPs
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On March 12 2011 13:32 _Quasar_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 13:30 razorsuKe wrote:
Sky looks so happy, his first PL win haha ^^ wait wat? He already had won some decently microed PvPs
That was Shy.
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Why do we have to be subjected to fuckin kpop between each round?
User was warned for this post
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
ah... TT damn, really. My mistake. X_x
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On March 12 2011 13:34 gds wrote:
Why do we have to be subjected to fuckin kpop between each round?
You don't. you can A) mute stream, or better yet, B) watch MBC vs ACE.
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U know i dont mind kpop, but I dunno how there is an entire show devoted to it O.o
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yea i know but why they dont use the time between games to show us some nice/funny/clever arts?
No, they just rush to inflict the stupidest thing on earth on our poor souls...
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Oh yeah, OZ FIGHTING!! :D
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On March 12 2011 13:44 gds wrote:
yea i know but why they dont use the time between games to show us some nice/funny/clever arts?
No, they just rush to inflict the stupidest thing on earth on our poor souls...
You don't like it, don't watch their streams. They're providing a service for you...
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
lol where spire???
slow drop incoming i think? Thats the only reason for lair it seems...
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
oh no
just fast ovie speed + fast hydra production
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Hero throwing hydras at Sky's wall. Cannons going up. Storm is complete.
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Half the cannons dead, but hero backs off for now.
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hero getting a 4th and a spire. 1 lurker sitting outside of sky's nat.
sky working on getting an obs out.
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Sky loads his shuttle up with a big load. 1 ht 3 dts.
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2 dts in the main snipe an evo chamber. HT at the nat gets 13 drone kills.
Sky pressuring the nat now.
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Hero flanks the goon/ht force! It gets wiped out!
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Lurkers saving the day for hero
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great play from hero here
i miss broodwar
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thats what he gets for wasting storms to hit one or 2 hydras
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
*facepalm*
this game is... entertaining, lol
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damn thats a tons of hydra lurker, gonna take some amazing storms to hold on to this third
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Hero with a huge force in the middle. Carapace upgrade was delayed however. +2 ranged attack 0 ground attack 0 carapace. He's attacking Sky's 3rd that is going up in the center.
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Stream dead
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Estonia4504 Posts
Poll: Would you recommend game 2?No (3) 38% Check it out if you have time. (3) 38% Yes (2) 25% 8 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 2? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
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GG T_T That seemed like hero's ZvP is back in action
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On March 12 2011 14:03 Yxes2211 wrote:
I wanna see Killer D:
Your wish is granted.
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is it just me or is the stream constanly stalling?
Audio is fine but video gets stuck at the same picture quite often
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Poll: Would you recommend game 3?No (6) 75% Yes (2) 25% Check it out if you have time. (0) 0% 8 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
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buffer to gg again.... classic....
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Hmm he could try zu elimnate Hero ?
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omg that buffer into gg was TT
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some good old fashioned buffer into gg.
If its going to happen, that's the kind of game I want it to happen for.
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On March 12 2011 10:43 McDonalds wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.basscity-usa.com/htdocs/magazine/images/Classic-Logo09.png)
Edit: Lol I'm an idiot. Well here he is!
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
On March 12 2011 14:36 DropBear wrote:Edit: Lol I'm an idiot. Well here he is!
ROFL
this first non-topicstarter post is probably designed to make the "First Post Curse" to remove itself by making it divide by zero. lol.
this picture is so uncertain in sense of what to feel about it...
Really, you cant say it says that this fish will win or lose :D
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Observer pointing out that engineering bay isn't flashing. Okay it's flashing now but it looks like it was heavily delayed. 4 rax for hiya.
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Sunken break. Hero is dead.
GG.
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Poll: Would you recommend game 4?Check it out if you have time. (3) 43% Yes (2) 29% No (2) 29% 7 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 4? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
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ezpz
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Hiya's GOT This.
WHATEVER STX I DON"T EVEN CARE
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cross spots , hiya in white at 3, calm in purple at 9
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2 hatch for calm. Probably mutas, this map is terrific for it.
14 cc for hiya.
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hiya getting his gas before his rax finishes
lair going up for calm
hiya gets into the main! sees the lair
hiya getting his 1st factory.
Den going up for calm.
SCV -- taken out in the main!
this could be bad for hiya
acad going up though , and 2nd fact and armory
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so much buffering
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two hatch lurker, I don't see this ending well for calm
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Oh what the hell hiya is building 2 factories and an academy. Fair amount of drones for Calm. Looks fairly economical.
Armory going up for hiya.
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Scans already up. E-bay going up too. 1 bunker going up behind the wall.
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hydras just missed by hiya, vultures out harassing lings.
ebay going up for hiya, lurkers morphing for calm.
Scans the main, still doesn't see the den! Throwing up a lurker anyway, BUILDING A TURRET HE'S BEEN FOOLED
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luerkers moving in
LAG LAG LAG
take out a supply depot , another one
repair doesn't save the bunker
lifting the rax, 3 gol out though, turret up
LOL lurker tries to walk in and siege the nat, ....
works.
calm taking a 3rd at 10
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Wall and bunker down but turrets are up behind it. Hiya not mining at his nat.
Calm has a 3rd hatch at 1 o clock.
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attack fails terribly hard, Hiya has only lost 2 depos in the wall, and maybe 5 marines
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lurkers hitting the CC!! its being repaired though.
!! hiyas got a bunch of goliaths and calm looses all but 1 lurkers
Hiya stayin in base.
Calm droning a lot.
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It didn't fail horribly. Calm has plenty of drones.
Calm is pushed out. Starport going up for hiya.
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hya geting fast port with atatchment
wraith, vessle , and drop all seem viable, but comentators say drop
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hiya got a starport up moving around with some goliaths, calm getting some hydras on the field.
Hiya sending some vultures up , maybe to attack the 3rd? spotted. Then they go to the wrong place and are trapped, but calm doesn't pursue. haha
Dropship out, but calm has troops at his 3rd.
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drop at the 3rd, doesn't do much damage, gets away though.
INTERCEPT?!?!??!? oh no its ok. calm getting a bunch of hydras with no tech in sight.
calm senses the drop coming for his main
more lag.
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Drop handled well. Hiya withdraws with no losses. He's heading toward the main. Calm anticipates it and is sending hydras to the main.
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drop doesnt work, hiya now trying main
Hiya now going full mech
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When was he not full mech?
Drop in the main also fails.
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drop gets like 2 or 3 drones, but hiya has a pretty cool force of tanks and gols
haha one fact isn't rallied.
! hiya moving into the center. calm preparing for a big flank... has a BUNCH of hydras....
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Hiya pushing out with tank goliath 1/1 ups. Calm meeting him with mass hydra.
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Big battle, tanks hitting the hydras !!!!!!! AND ALL THE HYDRAS GET TAKEN OUT
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United States10328 Posts
um calm
did you know that tanks > hydras?
evidently not
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BOOM HIYA WHAT BAM FUCK YEAH ohhhh ok now hes loosing the rest of his army.
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damn, how many times have we seen calm attack tanks head on with hydras and fail horribly? eventualy he has to figure this out right?
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Hiya wins in the middle. 2 tanks survived the engagement. Hiya heading towards the nat.
Ok calm's next wave of hydras cleans it up. Hiya on the retreat.
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hiya's 3rd cc floating down the the bottom right.
queens nest just finished for calm , not mining gas out of his 3rd.
Moving in!!!
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Can't remember the last time Calm beat a pure mech build... If he thinks he can win with pure hydra, he will live in regret
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I think calm figured it out.
He just needed More Hydras™.
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Hiya's 3rd cc floating towards 5 oclock. Hiya's forces entrenched in a good defensive position outside the nat.
Calm going to hive.
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nest with no hive, calm is going to try the broodling aproach again, but Hiya already has a surprisingly large number of goli
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hiya has a pretty good set up near the lower wall of his base,
Calm still PUMPING hydras. only has 4 drones on gas.
3rd up transferring scvs,
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Calm still not mining from 3rd gas...
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QUEENS A BUNCH OF QUEENS WHAT OH SNAP
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Oh god calm making queens. 5 of em
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hahah w/e , calm thinks hydras beat tanks and queens beat goliaths.
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queens are out, revolution of ZvT or horrible disaster? lol
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Hiya mining up his main like he's afraid of Recall.
More likely afraid of DoomDrop.
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8 queens gaining energy above calm's nat.
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i love that calm is the only zerg that still uses queens.
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hiya has a bunch of mines around his base, good planning, this is really well thought out.
Calm getting hive, hiya trying to stop the 4th, doesnt. hiya up to 5 fact adding a 6th.
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Zero stopped using queens?
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On March 12 2011 15:12 moopie wrote:
i love that calm is the only zerg that still uses queens.
... zero used queens more recently than calm has, i don't know if I agree with your sentance .
QUEENS MOVING OUT
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On March 12 2011 15:12 moopie wrote:
i love that calm is the only zerg that still uses queens.
Zero uses them effectively
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List of players that can actually use queens effectively:
1. Zero
2. N/A
3. N/A
...
Stop going queens vs mech, guys! Make mutas with that money! Or lurker/ling/hydra/defiler.
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SPAWN BROODRING! Ok only two tanks down and they werent even sieged.
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Didn't calm try this before... and get owned? or am I thinking of someone else?
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your supoed to broodling the tanks AFTER they seige
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queens get two broodlings off on tanks
hiya moving into the center with a big force. vessel out
LAG LAG LAG
BIG BATTLE
EVERYTHINGS HAPPENING
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looses all the queens, but calm moving around to stab the 3rd. Hiya with most of his army in the center.
vultures coming down, doing nothing.
Stream gone.
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On March 12 2011 15:13 Yxes2211 wrote:
Didn't calm try this before... and get owned? or am I thinking of someone else?
he has tried this multiple times before, most recently against flash (unless there was another super recently)
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Calm fails to break the mech ball. But he does send 12~ hydras to hiya's 3rd.
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back up,
calm looses a bunch of hydras to tanks. Camera's showing him so he's really done.
Calm pushing into the nat!!! calm has like 10 hydras.
SO OVER YESSSSSSSSSSS
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Calm's hydras melting in the middle of the map before they even fire 2 shots. Hiya's 4 cc floating above it's destination mineral line.
Hiya knocking on the natural. Tons of tanks sieged.
Calm ggs. Atleast he made it a bit exciting with queens.
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On March 12 2011 15:13 Yxes2211 wrote:
Didn't calm try this before... and get owned? or am I thinking of someone else?
Yep, several times. Haven't seen it work for him yet, though I might've missed some games.
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HIYA SO BOSS YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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HiyA!!! OZ FIGHTING!!
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and that's why two hatch lurker should always be paired with a slow drop
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Calm is so bad at facing mech... >_>
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Clam might as well GG now
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On March 12 2011 15:16 hacklebeast wrote:
and that's why two hatch lurker should always be paired with a slow drop
Calm's early aggression was actually moderately decent... it's his inability to macro, mine from extractors, and choices in unit compostion (hydrahydrahydrahydraooohqueenhydrahydra) that did him in.
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that game was so bad. my god calm what the hell happened to you.
calm probably lost 20 hydras due to bad rallying in addition to throwing away another 50 or more at walls of tanks
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As a zerg player, I found that game sickening to watch. Hiya had no right to win that game.
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On March 12 2011 15:18 DarkMatter_ wrote:
As a zerg player, I found that game sickening to watch. Hiya had no right to win that game.
You're right. Calm played so well. Mech imba. Arg.
/sarcasm
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
I'd put Bogus next (because Hiya will likely beat Kal), but who knows...
Calm was just facepalm-worthy =___=
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On March 12 2011 15:18 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 15:16 hacklebeast wrote:
and that's why two hatch lurker should always be paired with a slow drop Calm's early aggression was actually moderately decent... it's his inability to macro, mine from extractors, and choices in unit compostion (hydrahydrahydrahydraooohqueenhydrahydra) that did him in.
What did the early agresion get him? Mining time loss? a few depot kills? It put him too far behind ecinomicaly to be able to adiquitely deal with mech (three baces couldent suport the buildings, upgrades, and units for lurker/ling/def. Queen was a desperation play.
I think 2 hatch lurker might as well be an all in, because the econamy is shot, and there is no good way to transition out of it, hence the slow drop.
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
Maybe Clam should watch some of Jaedong games to see HOW you deal with mech ball. X_x
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On March 12 2011 15:24 _Quasar_ wrote:
Maybe Clam should watch some of Jaedong games to see HOW you deal with mech ball. X_x
Jaedong doesn't deal with mech ball very well. He almost always just darm swarms and runs in. Lost to baby, light and flash this way multiple times.
Zero is the man at anti-mech play.
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On March 12 2011 15:26 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 15:24 _Quasar_ wrote:
Maybe Clam should watch some of Jaedong games to see HOW you deal with mech ball. X_x Jaedong doesn't deal with mech ball very well. He almost always just darm swarms and runs in. Lost to baby, light and flash this way multiple times. Zero is the man at anti-mech play.
I would agree, ZerO is the closest anyone got to beating Flash's 3:3 Mech on PR. ZerO's got some pretty sick anti mech play.
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
On March 12 2011 15:26 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 15:24 _Quasar_ wrote:
Maybe Clam should watch some of Jaedong games to see HOW you deal with mech ball. X_x Jaedong doesn't deal with mech ball very well. He almost always just darm swarms and runs in. Lost to baby, light and flash this way multiple times. Zero is the man at anti-mech play.
How about drops, unit spreads and normal choice of unit composition?
I think NOW jaedong play vs. mech very well.
And anyway, clam seems to not be able to do things mentioned above, still... :D
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
Is there any oz stream?
craton doesn't seem to want to switch back to it TT
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Chinese stream
http://1.plu.cn/
then click one of the PPlive, PPStream, uusee, Qlive
I use ppstream myself but you'd be fine with any of the 4 i guess
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On March 12 2011 15:30 _Quasar_ wrote:
Is there any oz stream?
craton doesn't seem to want to switch back to it TT
it's a good game, and oz might still be in comercial. even so, most people feel its worth missing the BOs to watch the end of other games
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Hiya vs Modesty.
No kal? :o
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On March 12 2011 15:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 15:18 DarkMatter_ wrote:
As a zerg player, I found that game sickening to watch. Hiya had no right to win that game. You're right. Calm played so well. Mech imba. Arg. /sarcasm
Calm made mistakes and could've played better, but don't pretend like Hiya actually played well that game. It's ridiculous that the zerg has to play a near perfect game requiring exceptional army control while the terran can keep making mistakes the entire game and all he has to do is siege his tanks and just watch the entire zerg army melt and then just 1a2a3a into the zerg's base.
User was warned for this post
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Modesty sounds like a reasonable choice. He's the best choice against Jaedong.
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It seems another vacation day for JD. I think Hiya will win this.
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This is what happens when you send modesty out for a ZvT
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LOL HUGE and Perfect flank completely eaten up with no micro necessary.
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LOL, beautiful suround of zerglings makes a beautifly ring of zergling blood, he may have not killed a single marine
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Huge mutaling surround on the MM ball! But there are too many marines and the mutas have to run.
No sunkens up! Oh but whats this? The MM get cleaned up by muta ling at the cost of all his mutas. More MM on the way.
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United States10328 Posts
ROFL it took two great flanks by modesty to ... trade armies LOL
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Canada8031 Posts
lol what are you doing Modesty.
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7 rax and sci tech up. Modesty aint lasting long with muta ling.
Another mutaling vs mm fight! Modesty loses. His 3rd is heavily threatened.
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On March 12 2011 15:31 Weeuweed wrote:Chinese stream http://1.plu.cn/then click one of the PPlive, PPStream, uusee, Qlive I use ppstream myself but you'd be fine with any of the 4 i guess
I'm going to add that uusee is a terrible choice!
edit:
God damn, HiyA- machine yo!!
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A gif of that flank would be more depressing than the Hogil vs Flash gif
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United States10328 Posts
ah I see, hiya is 1/1 rofl modesty keeps making good mutaling attacks that just... fail
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Nat is broken. It's over. Good try STX. GG
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United States10328 Posts
hiya breaks the nat
no sign of lurkers lol
wtf modesty
gg
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GG!! OZ takes the series!!
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LOL Modesty playing this like a PvT, trade armies -> try to win :D
MODESTY GGS!
HiYa soooooo baller :D
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Hell yeah Magikarp!!! ^_^
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Well STX had really no chance because it is very unlikely that Kal beats JD. So nice try.
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Yay, HiyA. <3
(If only you flattened Shine like that... )
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On March 12 2011 15:42 Quarz wrote:
Well STX had really no chance because it is very unlikely that Ka beats JD. So nice try.
Well they were banking on modesty getting past hiya then beating JD.
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Modesty ZvZ: muta ling (good!)
Modesty ZvT: muta ling (good, until after seven minute mark...)
Modesty ZvP: ... ???
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Wished I could've seen JD tonight, but seeing Oz win without him always makes me happy :D
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darn. wanted jaedong to play. why not send Kal instead of modesty?
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LOOOL STX
If a mangoose eats snakes, a fish eats zergs
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On March 12 2011 15:43 pinkranger15 wrote:
darn. wanted jaedong to play. why not send Kal instead of modesty?
Well, if Kal > HiyA, then guess who would be sent out for Oz (well, either way). Considering Kal's rather bad record against JD, Modesty was the better choice in theory.
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Nice to see HiyA doing some work.
Magikarp fighting!
+ Show Spoiler +Now why couldn't he get through MST? ;_; lol
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what the fuck no jaedong vs kal
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Sending Bogus would have been better than that shit. Hiya's TvZ may not be great but vs Modesty is auto-win. TvT with Bogus slightly higher chance of success for STX, and Bogus vs Jaedong would certainly have a better shot than Kal or Modesty vs Jaedong.
Also, shame on STX for sending Calm vs a terran. I mean, he has seen his ZvT, hasn't he?
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All that practice against Jaedong is finally paying off. Congrats for 3 Z-Kills!
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After it winner's league are PL playoffs. Is there going to be a WL playoffs or no?
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On March 12 2011 15:46 Dandy4 wrote:
After it winner's league are PL playoffs. Is there going to be a WL playoffs or no?
There are two more rounds after SWL ends...
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On March 12 2011 15:45 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Sending Bogus would have been better than that shit. Hiya's TvZ may not be great but vs Modesty is auto-win. TvT with Bogus slightly higher chance of success for STX, and Bogus vs Jaedong would certainly have a better shot than Kal or Modesty vs Jaedong.
Also, shame on STX for sending Calm vs a terran. I mean, he has seen his ZvT, hasn't he?
Well, the last time Bogus faced Jaedong, Jaedong made him look really bad, I think.
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On March 12 2011 15:44 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 15:43 pinkranger15 wrote:
darn. wanted jaedong to play. why not send Kal instead of modesty? Well, if Kal > HiyA, then guess who would be sent out for Oz (well, either way). Considering Kal's rather bad record against JD, Modesty was the better choice in theory.
yeah i know Kal has a BAD record against JD but how can they assume so recklessly that modesty can defeat Hiya. since Hiya record recently is pretty decent compared to Modesty. they should focus on first on what's in front of them, instead of focusing what's next.
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On March 12 2011 15:50 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 15:45 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Sending Bogus would have been better than that shit. Hiya's TvZ may not be great but vs Modesty is auto-win. TvT with Bogus slightly higher chance of success for STX, and Bogus vs Jaedong would certainly have a better shot than Kal or Modesty vs Jaedong.
Also, shame on STX for sending Calm vs a terran. I mean, he has seen his ZvT, hasn't he? Well, the last time Bogus faced Jaedong, Jaedong made him look really bad, I think.
You're more than right, I'm just saying Jaedong's ZvT is his worst MU (worst yet still on the best ZvTs... funny, huh). Though Bogus ain't too hot, he could pull a BarrackS
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On March 12 2011 15:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 15:50 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:On March 12 2011 15:45 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Sending Bogus would have been better than that shit. Hiya's TvZ may not be great but vs Modesty is auto-win. TvT with Bogus slightly higher chance of success for STX, and Bogus vs Jaedong would certainly have a better shot than Kal or Modesty vs Jaedong.
Also, shame on STX for sending Calm vs a terran. I mean, he has seen his ZvT, hasn't he? Well, the last time Bogus faced Jaedong, Jaedong made him look really bad, I think. You're more than right, I'm just saying Jaedong's ZvT is his worst MU (worst yet still on the best ZvTs... funny, huh). Though Bogus ain't too hot, he could pull a BarrackS
Well... I think like 1/3 of his losses are to Flash and Light lol
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On March 12 2011 15:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 15:46 Dandy4 wrote:
After it winner's league are PL playoffs. Is there going to be a WL playoffs or no? There are two more rounds after SWL ends...
I think he's referring to the Winner's League cup or whatever it's called. There used to be seperate playoffs for proleague and winner's league.
Speaking of which, remember when Skyhigh used to be good?
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Aw yeah, Oz now in 6th place overall. Playoffs, here we come.
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On March 12 2011 16:11 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
Aw yeah, Oz now in 6th place overall. Playoffs, here we come.
Came to post this.
The fact that Oz has managed this WL surge without Jaedong carrying them is really promising for the coming rounds. Definitely looking like a solid team again, so glad they've clawed their way out of the gutter
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Is winner's playoffs seeded on the overall record or just WL record?
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On March 12 2011 16:28 Dandy4 wrote:
Is winner's playoffs seeded on the overall record or just WL record?
Wl record
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Whoops forgot to tune in but looks like I didn't miss anything. The moment I saw the LR thread was only 14 pages I knew Jaedong didn't play.
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Sending 2 zergs (well 3 zergs but hero was already out) against Hiya? I don't know... perhap the STX coach's decisions tonight weren't so good. Hiya played solid though.
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Anyone know the current WL standings after today's games?
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United States5582 Posts
Current WL standings:
1. KT Rolster 13 Wins 1 Loss +22 (55-33)
2. Hwaseung OZ 11 Wins 5 Losses +20 (57-37)
3. Samsung KHAN 9 Wins 5 Losses +4 (43-39)
4. SK Telecom 9 Wins 6 Losses +12 (51-39)
5. Hite Entus 8 Wins 7 Losses +2 (44-42)
6. STX SouL 7 Wins 9 Losses -4 (46-50)
7. Woongjin Stars 6 Wins 8 Losses -9 (39-48)
8. MBCGame 6 Wins 10 Losses -2 (48-50)
9. WeMade FOX 5 Wins 9 Losses -11 (34-45)
10. Air Force ACE 1 Win 15 Losses -34 (27-61)
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Nice. Is it true that the WL playoffs are only between the top 2 teams this time, as opposed to 3rd vs 4th, winner faces 2nd, then winner of that faces 1st?
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Im happy HiyA pulled this off after his rather dissapointing MST
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
HiyA is cool, but I really don't understand STX coach logic. Best choice was Bogus imo (because TvT is currently the match up where Hiya is really the least confident, and Bogus imo has better chances against Jaedong than Kal). But Modesty??? OK, he could beat Jaedong, but send him vs TERRAN? On a T>Z map? And with some really WTF strategy (I wonder how many times it succeeded - from what I've seen, I thought in this game it has like 0% chances of success X_X)...
WTF were they thinking... If they wanted to give Modesty a confidence boost, they obviously failed. X_X
It's not like Magikarp ---> Gyarados, but now it's rather like his opponents down-evolved to something worse. XD
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
[B]PvT on Bloody Ridge. It has interesting spots, but I guess most of you can figure out what will happen pretty quickly. Big Meh from me.
I think that instantly spoils the whole game, no?
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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After the MST group, I thought Hiya was done, good to see him perform. Maybe OZ can become a solid team after all.
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Oh Hiya, what an inconsistent player you are, getting rolled over at MST and then having a three kill in WL just to gave Jaedong some time to rest.
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On March 12 2011 15:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 15:46 Dandy4 wrote:
After it winner's league are PL playoffs. Is there going to be a WL playoffs or no? There are two more rounds after SWL ends...
There are only five rounds as far as I know. So that would mean there will be one more round after SWL. You also didn't answer his question. I read that there will be a SWL playoff between the top two WL teams. After all five rounds there will be the usual proleague season playoffs.
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On March 12 2011 21:06 Simplistik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 15:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On March 12 2011 15:46 Dandy4 wrote:
After it winner's league are PL playoffs. Is there going to be a WL playoffs or no? There are two more rounds after SWL ends... There are only five rounds as far as I know. So that would mean there will be one more round after SWL. You also didn't answer his question. I read that there will be a SWL playoff between the top two WL teams. After all five rounds there will be the usual proleague season playoffs.
I believe they added a 6th round because there are only 10 teams this year
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Theres a winners league final between the two top teams for the winners league tittle normally. That will most likely be KT Vs OZ. Think Flash has Jaedongs number so looking for a better team perfomance from OZ against KT than last time if they want take that home.
I'm so happy for 하늘 picking up his first Pro-League win today. Still not conviced with his play but his sheer hapiness and displief that he had finally won one was so humberling to see.
Good work Hiya it really is the 잉어's (Can I replace 's with 의 for perseive?) League!
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On March 12 2011 22:56 swanized wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 21:06 Simplistik wrote:On March 12 2011 15:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On March 12 2011 15:46 Dandy4 wrote:
After it winner's league are PL playoffs. Is there going to be a WL playoffs or no? There are two more rounds after SWL ends... There are only five rounds as far as I know. So that would mean there will be one more round after SWL. You also didn't answer his question. I read that there will be a SWL playoff between the top two WL teams. After all five rounds there will be the usual proleague season playoffs. I believe they added a 6th round because there are only 10 teams this year
Oh yes, you are right. I just had another look. Sorry for getting that mixed up. For some reason I had been convinced for months that it would only be five rounds.
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haha glad to see hiya doing well : )
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What is up with the carp ... jaedong not getting out saddens me but on the other hand OZ WINS :D YEAH
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lol @ everyone bashing at hiya, last OSL when he was shit in proleague yet winning jd in osl everyone was screaming at him cause he wasnt contributing and was denying jd of a 4th win in osl. now he manages a three kill everyone says he's not letting jd a chance to play wut.
jd needs a long break guys, his muta micro is pretty shit atm, although his zergling is rightfully dubbed donglings and his decision making on a good day can be stellar. unless he takes a step back and look at the big i don't see him outsmarting people like flash
that said jd fighting, im waiting for you to own the world again >:D
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On March 13 2011 02:40 Invictus wrote:
lol @ everyone bashing at hiya, last OSL when he was shit in proleague yet winning jd in osl everyone was screaming at him cause he wasnt contributing and was denying jd of a 4th win in osl. now he manages a three kill everyone says he's not letting jd a chance to play wut.
jd needs a long break guys, his muta micro is pretty shit atm, although his zergling is rightfully dubbed donglings and his decision making on a good day can be stellar. unless he takes a step back and look at the big i don't see him outsmarting people like flash
that said jd fighting, im waiting for you to own the world again >:D
There is difference between "shit muta micro" and "not as good as usual muta micro".
JD's mutamicro is bad? wtf are you saying, because he lost to hydra? thats just.. ugh!
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