One day, you should gather all the banners you've made and hang 'em all up in an art gallery.
Ahhh fffff I can't watch any of the games tonight, so I will miss the potential of seeing another Bisu/Fantasy vs. Stork revenge match... But I won't be upset if I miss that. What I WILL be upset about is if Coach Park finally decides to send out Kwanro tonight. But if Kwanro is sent out tonight and wins, then I will be somewhat happy. But still upset. ANYWAY go SKT~~~
On February 28 2011 16:05 Spica wrote: One day, you should gather all the banners you've made and hang 'em all up in an art gallery.
Ahhh fffff I can't watch any of the games tonight, so I will miss the potential of seeing another Bisu/Fantasy vs. Stork revenge match... But I won't be upset if I miss that. What I WILL be upset about is if Coach Park finally decides to send out Kwanro tonight. But if Kwanro is sent out tonight and wins, then I will be somewhat happy. But still upset. ANYWAY go SKT~~~
Under it I will put a print out of all the comments you've made about my beautiful art ^^.
On February 28 2011 16:05 Spica wrote: One day, you should gather all the banners you've made and hang 'em all up in an art gallery.
Ahhh fffff I can't watch any of the games tonight, so I will miss the potential of seeing another Bisu/Fantasy vs. Stork revenge match... But I won't be upset if I miss that. What I WILL be upset about is if Coach Park finally decides to send out Kwanro tonight. But if Kwanro is sent out tonight and wins, then I will be somewhat happy. But still upset. ANYWAY go SKT~~~
Under it I will put a print out of all the comments you've made about my beautiful art ^^.
Fantasy vs Stork: repeat of OSL finals Bisu vs Stork: Battle of possibly the two greatest protosses of all time. Bisu vs Jangbi: repeat of MSL finals Best vs either Jangbi or stork: battle of dragons Battle for second place overall in WL (I thing SKT is 2 and Khan is 3) Paralyze vs grape for coolest progamer hair (not even close, but I will go out on a limb and say grape does have the second coolest hair, I cant think of anyone else to contest that...)
Hoping that paralyze, fantasy and best get play time, but I'm guessing only one will if I'm lucky. Oh, and sun will get yet another chance to play an uninspired game, and lose decisively.
On February 28 2011 16:35 MiraKul wrote: I hope sun can win at least 1 game.. He's playing alot out there but no wins..
I hope so too. People seem to have quickly forgotten that he had a pretty good showing when he first started playing live games for SKT. He just seems to get hydras all up in his face all the time nowadays, so hopefully he won't get another game where he loses because of that or getting his shuttle sniped again. He's not a bad rookie, I think that he has plenty of potential.
On February 28 2011 16:35 MiraKul wrote: I hope sun can win at least 1 game.. He's playing alot out there but no wins..
I hope so too. People seem to have quickly forgotten that he had a pretty good showing when he first started playing live games for SKT. He just seems to get hydras all up in his face all the time nowadays, so hopefully he won't get another game where he loses because of that or getting his shuttle sniped again. He's not a bad rookie, I think that he has plenty of potential.
Yea man. I remember he won against I forgot who. Everyone in SKT was so proud of him.. Hope he will do well.. else he's wont be playing much anymore.
On February 28 2011 16:35 MiraKul wrote: I hope sun can win at least 1 game.. He's playing alot out there but no wins..
I hope so too. People seem to have quickly forgotten that he had a pretty good showing when he first started playing live games for SKT. He just seems to get hydras all up in his face all the time nowadays, so hopefully he won't get another game where he loses because of that or getting his shuttle sniped again. He's not a bad rookie, I think that he has plenty of potential.
After that comeback against Light, I was pretty convinced that he would become a PL regular. Now he just needs to get some consistency.
On February 28 2011 16:05 Spica wrote: One day, you should gather all the banners you've made and hang 'em all up in an art gallery.
Ahhh fffff I can't watch any of the games tonight, so I will miss the potential of seeing another Bisu/Fantasy vs. Stork revenge match... But I won't be upset if I miss that. What I WILL be upset about is if Coach Park finally decides to send out Kwanro tonight. But if Kwanro is sent out tonight and wins, then I will be somewhat happy. But still upset. ANYWAY go SKT~~~
Under it I will put a print out of all the comments you've made about my beautiful art ^^.
On February 28 2011 16:31 hacklebeast wrote: So many stoylines going into a SKT vs Khan match:
Fantasy vs Stork: repeat of OSL finals Bisu vs Stork: Battle of possibly the two greatest protosses of all time. Bisu vs Jangbi: repeat of MSL finals Best vs either Jangbi or stork: battle of dragons Battle for second place overall in WL (I thing SKT is 2 and Khan is 3) Paralyze vs grape for coolest progamer hair (not even close, but I will go out on a limb and say grape does have the second coolest hair, I cant think of anyone else to contest that...)
Hoping that paralyze, fantasy and best get play time, but I'm guessing only one will if I'm lucky. Oh, and sun will get yet another chance to play an uninspired game, and lose decisively.
Battle for third. Khan is 3rd, SKT is 4th for WL. KT is first and Oz is second.
bah I have an exam tomorrow at 1:40 and was going to sleep now but I guess I'll stay up a little bit to see two awesome teams going at it. GOGO STORK!!!!
i wish january wouldn't send reality, he's so effing bad :/ i know you give rookies a chance to play but why not play turn? he shows so much more promise than freaking reality
Reality finds a spotter pylon near Best's likely 3rd with an scv, which is promptly killed. A lone vulture scouting the map finds nothing and gets killed.
Two vultures prod at Best's 3rd (2 o'clock), which is starting to warp in and pick off one probe. Goons chase out the vulture. Reality also takes his 3rd at 4 o'clock and fortifies it with a tank and a turret, plus a depot wall at its northern ramp.
Vultures continue to roam the map, but there's nothing to find. Reality lays some mines toward the top-left center of the map. Reality has about a dozen tanks unsieged between the nat and the 3rd and Best is roaming with a dozen goons.
Best finds the earlier minefield and clears it out with some roaming goons. An ebay floats toward Best's 3rd. Meanwhile, vultures lay more mines in the center of the map, next to goons and an obs. Mines are taken out. Reality sends half a dozen vultures to harass the 3rd's probe line and kills a handful of probes before Best pulls them out and cleans it up.
Best pushes into the area between Reality's 3rd and nat, but there are about 50 mech units there and he's forced to pull back. 12 o'clock is just starting to get probes and some cannons warp in.
Reality drops 12 o'clock and kills off the cannons and a couple probes, but it's cleaned up. Best takes the top left natural and main. Reality is moving out for a huge push. Best gets off a stasis on some vultures and a science vessel delaying the push, but he needs more units to hold this. A vulture is sitting in the top left main waiting.
Reality drops tanks on the ledge by the 12 o'clock island expo and denies any mining. Meanwhile, reality continues pushing out and Best seems unable to do any damage to it and keeps bleeding units. He wastes another stasis on a lone vessel next to Reality's army.
Reality still harassing 12 o clock with a tank+dropship. Also an engagement in the middle, best loses a bunch of zlots for a bunch of vults. Also taking topleft
Huge storms go off on a clump of a dozen tanks and swing things for Best, but his army is still anemic and a vulture is harassing the top left main. The 12 o'clock island is slowly being taken out by the tanks that haven't been cleaned up.
omg the nexus at 12 goes down. thats 1 nexus, about 5 cannons and a bunch of probes dead to 1 freaking tank, instead of leaving 1-2 zealots on the highground there.
Best haphazardly pushes into reality's forces, which are almost dead center of the map, slightly toward the right side. Best lands another so-so stasis and loses a number of goons. Reality over-extends with just tanks and no vultures/mines and loses them all to a small force by Best. Meanwhile, Reality takes the bottom left main.
Best pushes Reality's force back toward Reality's main, but loses a clump of zealots to some mines. Meanwhile, Reality harasses Best's 3rd with some tanks and takes out some cannons and probes.
Best cleans up the harass at his 3rd, but not before losing a large clump of probes due to mistakenly sending them back too soon, and to a southern mineral patch in range of the tanks. Reality pushes toward the top left natural of Best and is flanked by about 30 ground troops, which easily clean up the push. Some science vessels fly randomly into the top left main of Best and one almost dies to a cannon.
Reality continues to push toward the top left nat with a small force of a few tanks vultures and goliaths and loses several to a group of zealots. Reality drops a tank in Best's mined-out nat, which just kills probes on gas before being safely picked up again. Best cleans up the small force in the top left. Reality remains on 4 bases (2 mining) and Best on 5 (3 mining).
Looks like Reality is going on the defensive right now; a rather wise choice considering his attacks have been unsuccessful so far. Meanwhile Best suicides a whole army into tanks on the ridges
Best pushes into Reality's army near the bottom center, which is crushed with about 15 tanks remaining. Reality moves his tanks left toward his bottom left base and begins to take the natural there. Another vulture harass kills off some probes at Best's 3rd.
Reality's army looks huge, while Best seems to have very little. It seems Best over-extended with his army and neglected retaking the island or another expo for too long. A probe is at the island expo. Best tries to push into Reality's mined-out 3rd, but is repelled by a tank and the depot wall. Reality continues pushing the mid with a huge army.
Best once again pushes into Reality's 30 or so tanks, but there aren't many vultures or mines for support. Reality loses his front line and part of the back-left line before Best backs up. Reality's army seems to have been shrunk into something more manageable and the island expo finishes, but with only one probe mining.
Reality takes the 7 o'clock as his 6th base and continues to mass troops in the bottom center of the map. Best pushes downward toward the right side where there aren't many troops. There are very little mines, but a lot of tanks. Best gets off a stasis on several and crushes through Reality's forces. Reality's lack of mines have once again hurt him.
Meanwhile, Reality drops the island expo again and denies mining.
The stasis ends, but Best had only goons and no zealots and promptly loses a large force of goons. Best is close to mining out at both of the top left bases and is not mining at the island. Reality is looking to be in a better position economically if this continues, but Best pushes into the bottom center and once more crushes Reality's force. Reality has few tanks, but many vultures, which perfectly counter Best's many zealots and few goons at that position.
Once again, the island goes down. Best's economy wont last him much longer.
the only thing that kept Best in the game was his superior marco, otherwise this is one shitty game by him ... let 12 goons died to tanks, head butting zealots into vultures ? ... wtf is that?
oh he gg'd
edit: i don't quite understand best's thought process during the game
after his first batch of arbiter died (which shouldn't have anyway), he decided that arbiters were a waste of resources and refused to make any ... he let that island expo got harassed to dead at least 3 times in the game, just park 2 a couple of zealots there goddamn it ...
On February 28 2011 18:44 okum wrote: KHAN has some serious talent reserve these days...
I feel like Best lost that game more than Reality won it. Reality had pretty decent macro to keep up with Best but his positioning was pretty much terrible all game. If Best had cleaned up those drop earlier or just denied them at all instead of completely ignoring them he could have easily won.
On February 28 2011 18:44 okum wrote: KHAN has some serious talent reserve these days...
I feel like Best lost that game more than Reality won it. Reality had pretty decent macro to keep up with Best but his positioning was pretty much terrible all game. If Best had cleaned up those drop earlier or just denied them at all instead of completely ignoring them he could have easily won.
I agree, but Best's army control is not that smart either. Goon soup all over the map.
On February 28 2011 18:45 Rhombus wrote: best reality played well, not to discredit him, but best, what were you doing
i might sound like a butthurt fan boy here but no Reality didn't play well at all ... his mass tanks got demolished at least 3 times in the whole game ... even his push towards the upper left corner of the map failed, and lost like 5 vessels ... he really didn't need to do much cus Best was basically banging his head on the door trying to open it ...
best could have tried to recall the lower left base, at least to keep the vultures busy and pushed middle with his main force ... but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO he had to walked into a fucking storm of siege tank canons ...
Both players had their faults. Best's macro was the best, like always. However, since his unit management wasn't effective, arbs got emped, storms were utilized to maximum efficacy (bar initial mid fight), and goons melted.
Reality, on the other hand, had good management. He kept mines everywhere, even under his own tanks. He emped well and timed stasis/focus fired right, especially noticeable in the lategame when Best's zealots couldn't do much because mines were everywhere.
Reality had a good plan and executed well until he clumped tanks. Afterwards, it was just better exchange and execution by him.
On February 28 2011 18:52 Wala.Revolution wrote: Both players had their faults. Best's macro was the best, like always. However, since his unit management wasn't effective, arbs got emped, storms were utilized to maximum efficacy (bar initial mid fight), and goons melted.
Reality, on the other hand, had good management. He kept mines everywhere, even under his own tanks. He emped well and timed stasis/focus fired right, especially noticeable in the lategame when Best's zealots couldn't do much because mines were everywhere.
Reality had a good plan and executed well until he clumped tanks. Afterwards, it was just better exchange and execution by him.
His macro might've been good if u think about minerals left or whatever, but staying on 5 base for THAT long, theres no excuse for that. none. you dont let a 5hp tank kill an island. thats just terrible. erg best
It was like "I build there and hope it doesn't get discovered." Like it was impossible to do anything about a Single tank on that ridge. How can it happen that a Single dropship takes out the the same WHOLE base TWICE???
On February 28 2011 18:54 Fenrax wrote: I wonder why Best didn't defend his 12.
It was like "I build there and hope it doesn't get discovered." Like it was impossible to do anything about a Single tank on that ridge. How can it happen that a Single dropship takes out the the same WHOLE base TWICE???
that's what i was thinking
he coulda just dropped a probe and spammed cannons or something
On February 28 2011 18:54 Fenrax wrote: I wonder why Best didn't defend his 12.
It was like "I build there and hope it doesn't get discovered." Like it was impossible to do anything about a Single tank on that ridge. How can it happen that a Single dropship takes out the the same WHOLE base TWICE???
I think he was more like "lol it's only one base, I still got 34857382 left" then he ran out of resources.
On February 28 2011 18:54 Fenrax wrote: I wonder why Best didn't defend his 12.
It was like "I build there and hope it doesn't get discovered." Like it was impossible to do anything about a Single tank on that ridge. How can it happen that a Single dropship takes out the the same WHOLE base TWICE???
that's what i was thinking
he coulda just dropped a probe and spammed cannons or something
Either put 2 cannons there or just counterdrop that ridge, many options and none are particularly difficult. Usually T will be happy to get one good shot at the probes, but losing hat whole base? I dont know...
On February 28 2011 18:58 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Sun must be absolutely brilliant in practice, cause he gets so much game time. He needs to get some wins going.
I thought he was doing well... until I saw he's 3-7 in WL -_-
poor kid
also I think SKT sends him because they don't have anyone better as their 4th option (soo? hyuk? s2? paralyze? ssak?)
On February 28 2011 18:58 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Sun must be absolutely brilliant in practice, cause he gets so much game time. He needs to get some wins going.
I thought he was doing well... until I saw he's 3-7 in WL -_-
poor kid
also I think SKT sends him because they don't have anyone better as their 4th option (soo? hyuk? s2? paralyze? ssak?)
He was promising in Rds 1 and 2, but I just wonder how either of those you mentioned would've fared with the same opportunities. SoO in particular was in decent form in those earlier rounds.
On February 28 2011 19:10 jaQi wrote: Who would be sent out next? Don't think that coach Park will sent out another P, but we all know that sometimes he's making unexpected descisions ^^
I think Fantasy/Bisu are doing too well to not send them out.
On February 28 2011 19:10 jaQi wrote: Who would be sent out next? Don't think that coach Park will sent out another P, but we all know that sometimes he's making unexpected descisions ^^
Paralyze for the 3 kills then Bisu to revert it all up
at the start of WL it was expecting T1 to do SOOOOO well especially when they were the one team that could be throwing aces at every match ... but i guess this is the era of 1-man team ...
On February 28 2011 19:16 nayumi wrote: who knew the Bo7 format would be hurting T1
at the start of WL it was expecting T1 to do SOOOOO well especially when they were the one team that could be throwing aces at every match ... but i guess this is the era of 1-man team ...
In R1 and R2 they only had Bisu, the rest of the team was slumping really hard, so that was might predictable, now it seems at least fanta is back. I just hope hope Best make a great comeback soon and they sent out Kwanro!!!!! I don't get this why he has no chances to play.. .(
On February 28 2011 19:18 mnesthes wrote: So... Reality, an unclassified player in KHAN has taken out T1's 3rd and 4th best players.
Reality is 4th Khan's best after Stork Great Turn. Sun doesn't have a great PvT and Best is slumping, so nothing surprising. I just don't understand why the coach didn't send Fantasy earlier and kept Sun for a PvP.
On February 28 2011 19:16 nayumi wrote: who knew the Bo7 format would be hurting T1
at the start of WL it was expecting T1 to do SOOOOO well especially when they were the one team that could be throwing aces at every match ... but i guess this is the era of 1-man team ...
On February 28 2011 19:18 mnesthes wrote: So... Reality, an unclassified player in KHAN has taken out T1's 3rd and 4th best players.
Reality is 4th Khan's best after Stork Great Turn. Sun doesn't have a great PvT and Best is slumping, so nothing surprising. I just don't understand why the coach didn't send Fantasy earlier and kept Sun for a PvP.
On February 28 2011 19:18 mnesthes wrote: So... Reality, an unclassified player in KHAN has taken out T1's 3rd and 4th best players.
Reality is 4th Khan's best after Stork Great Turn. Sun doesn't have a great PvT and Best is slumping, so nothing surprising. I just don't understand why the coach didn't send Fantasy earlier and kept Sun for a PvP.
On February 28 2011 19:18 mnesthes wrote: So... Reality, an unclassified player in KHAN has taken out T1's 3rd and 4th best players.
Reality is 4th Khan's best after Stork Great Turn. Sun doesn't have a great PvT and Best is slumping, so nothing surprising. I just don't understand why the coach didn't send Fantasy earlier and kept Sun for a PvP.
Brave and Grape are better than reality.... he is Khans 6th in line.
On February 28 2011 19:18 mnesthes wrote: So... Reality, an unclassified player in KHAN has taken out T1's 3rd and 4th best players.
Reality is 4th Khan's best after Stork Great Turn. Sun doesn't have a great PvT and Best is slumping, so nothing surprising. I just don't understand why the coach didn't send Fantasy earlier and kept Sun for a PvP.
pretty sure brave is a much better player than reality
On February 28 2011 19:16 nayumi wrote: who knew the Bo7 format would be hurting T1
at the start of WL it was expecting T1 to do SOOOOO well especially when they were the one team that could be throwing aces at every match ... but i guess this is the era of 1-man team ...
On February 28 2011 19:18 mnesthes wrote: So... Reality, an unclassified player in KHAN has taken out T1's 3rd and 4th best players.
Reality is 4th Khan's best after Stork Great Turn. Sun doesn't have a great PvT and Best is slumping, so nothing surprising. I just don't understand why the coach didn't send Fantasy earlier and kept Sun for a PvP.
brave > reality imo
grape is also better then reality. and jangbi used to be, but now he's doing so bad that reality is a little better then him
On February 28 2011 19:18 mnesthes wrote: So... Reality, an unclassified player in KHAN has taken out T1's 3rd and 4th best players.
Reality is 4th Khan's best after Stork Great Turn. Sun doesn't have a great PvT and Best is slumping, so nothing surprising. I just don't understand why the coach didn't send Fantasy earlier and kept Sun for a PvP.
brave > reality imo
grape is also better then reality. and jangbi used to be, but now he's doing so bad that reality is a little better then him
pretty much everyone is better than jangbi now. sad.
On February 28 2011 19:18 mnesthes wrote: So... Reality, an unclassified player in KHAN has taken out T1's 3rd and 4th best players.
Reality is 4th Khan's best after Stork Great Turn. Sun doesn't have a great PvT and Best is slumping, so nothing surprising. I just don't understand why the coach didn't send Fantasy earlier and kept Sun for a PvP.
brave > reality imo
grape is also better then reality. and jangbi used to be, but now he's doing so bad that reality is a little better then him
pretty much everyone is better than jangbi now. sad.
On February 28 2011 19:18 mnesthes wrote: So... Reality, an unclassified player in KHAN has taken out T1's 3rd and 4th best players.
Reality is 4th Khan's best after Stork Great Turn. Sun doesn't have a great PvT and Best is slumping, so nothing surprising. I just don't understand why the coach didn't send Fantasy earlier and kept Sun for a PvP.
brave > reality imo
grape is also better then reality. and jangbi used to be, but now he's doing so bad that reality is a little better then him
pretty much everyone is better than jangbi now. sad.
Poor Bee-suit. Even if he manages to beat Reality there's no way he's going to get past Stork. Stork and Kal seem to have a mental edge over him in PvP atm.
Bisu has like no help from anyone. Best is losing to Terrans he should be crushing, Fantasy losing to just dumb stuff. Rain/Sun is disappointment so far in the Winner's League.
Can someone update the OP ? I just read about bisu vs stork and I am stuck at (T)Reality Fortress (T)Fantasy ?? Clearly there must have been a game between that for both players to change ... :/
On February 28 2011 20:24 Tufas wrote: Can someone update the OP ? I just read about bisu vs stork and I am stuck at (T)Reality Fortress (T)Fantasy ?? Clearly there must have been a game between that for both players to change ... :/
On February 28 2011 20:24 Tufas wrote: Can someone update the OP ? I just read about bisu vs stork and I am stuck at (T)Reality Fortress (T)Fantasy ?? Clearly there must have been a game between that for both players to change ... :/
Reality > Fantasy Reality < Bisu
when I read it like this I feel woozy,and its like not right at all....I need to fix it...
On February 28 2011 20:38 ShadeR wrote: I HEAR SCREAMING OMG WHAT IS GOING ON
Stork took down Bisu's forth.
Both lost a ton of units but Stork is currently 1 base ahead.
I seriously dislike Bisu's reaver micro ... you DON'T just park your reavers on the ground when the opponents haven't not used up most of his storms ...
On February 28 2011 20:44 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: I called it. Sad but true. Bisu has no answer to Stork when it matters.
Grats to Khan. SKT needs to go away and sort their shit out, cause tonight's performance was just embarassing.
Ya they need to really do something about this. Bisu is basically winning everything for them. if Bisu loses then they basically lost. They keep this up, SKT will NOT be in first place for very long. KT is like what, 2 games behind now?
On February 28 2011 20:41 Holgerius wrote: Stork, you're amazing. Stork>>>Bisu!
eco cheese is pretty sick, eh?
it's not his fault ... his team is currently up 3-1 ... they could just keep throwing cheese at T1 till the ace match while Bisu pretty much HAD to play safe in all of his games ...
edit: having said that, with Bisu's recent PvP performance, I would say Stork could have won that game even if there had been mirror BO. His decision making on unit composition was pretty clutch. Totally skipping reavers while massing gateway units, use storm to take care of Bisu's shuttle and reavers (which was not a tough one anyway since Bisu conveniently parked them right in front) ... so it was basically solid execution + Bisu's predictability + minor BO win that won Stork the game.
On February 28 2011 20:46 Belha wrote: SKT coach strat was bad. If nowadays Bisu pvp is awful (specially aganist Stork) why put him last?!
Bisu's PvP isn't awful. It's only awful against Stork because he can't beat him for some reason. I'm almost certain by now, Stork has given Bisu more then 50% of his PvP loses.
On February 28 2011 20:43 okum wrote: And to think that KHAN was considered the second weakest team at the start of this season's SPL. Stork + (not so scrubby) scrubs fighting
I absolutely love the rookies. Turn, Brave, Reality and Grape bring much needed freshness to the SPL and the BW pro scene.
On February 28 2011 20:44 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: I called it. Sad but true. Bisu has no answer to Stork when it matters.
Grats to Khan. SKT needs to go away and sort their shit out, cause tonight's performance was just embarassing.
Ya they need to really do something about this. Bisu is basically winning everything for them. if Bisu loses then they basically lost. They keep this up, SKT will NOT be in first place for very long. KT is like what, 2 games behind now?
2 games behind with 2 fewer games played. If KT wins their next two games, they tie up SKT. Given how they've been performing during WL, it's quite likely to happen.
On February 28 2011 20:41 Holgerius wrote: Stork, you're amazing. Stork>>>Bisu!
eco cheese is pretty sick, eh?
it's not his fault ... his team is currently up 3-1 ... they could just keep throwing cheese at T1 till the ace match while Bisu pretty much HAD to play safe in all of his games ...
God damn SKT, give Bisu some support. Losing to Reality is just unforgivable. But I suppose Bisu losing to Stork isn't too big of a deal, he played pretty well, even if he couldn't overcome a massive BO disadvantage.
On February 28 2011 20:41 Holgerius wrote: Stork, you're amazing. Stork>>>Bisu!
eco cheese is pretty sick, eh?
Ya, that game was totally a build order loss. Bisu would've won in a straight up game.
I didn't say Bisu would have won in a straight up game. I implied Bisu didn't lose a straight up game.
I'm sure you'd be very impressed if Bisu rode a 14 nex home against Flash doing something other than 1 rax CC and people started spamming BISU>FLASH TROLOL.
On February 28 2011 20:46 Belha wrote: SKT coach strat was bad. If nowadays Bisu pvp is awful (specially aganist Stork) why put him last?!
Bisu's PvP isn't awful. It's only awful against Stork because he can't beat him for some reason. I'm almost certain by now, Stork has given Bisu more then 50% of his PvP loses.
Well counting this game,Bisu is on 5 games losing streak and is overall 9-14 vs Stork
2gate obs PvP: advantageous\even against 1 or 2gate DTs, 3gate goon/obs, aaaaand....and that's it. Lose to 1gate nex -> 4gate, to 1gate nex -> robo, behind 1gate shuttle -> obs or reaver, can get ugly vs 3gate goon -> nex. Only reason to ever do it is overconfidence: it does not get instantly killed by anything, so skill advantage can kick in later. Except he was playing Stork, to whom soft counter BO advantage is totally enough.
hahaha so many butt hurt bisu fan boys saying that bisu couldn't have won because he was at a huge BO disadvantage and that he'd beat stork any day straight up LOL i love it.
On February 28 2011 20:51 a7choi wrote: hahaha so many butt hurt bisu fan boys saying that bisu couldn't have won because he was at a huge BO disadvantage and that he'd beat stork any day straight up LOL i love it.
No, that's you saying that. I heard Bisu fans were the worst, but I never really saw that.
They went up to 4 bases... he just was't good enough to win engagements in the central area of the map or to harass enough to come back after giving a small BO advantage.
On February 28 2011 20:51 a7choi wrote: hahaha so many butt hurt bisu fan boys saying that bisu couldn't have won because he was at a huge BO disadvantage and that he'd beat stork any day straight up LOL i love it.
No, that's you saying that. I heard Bisu fans were the worst, but I never really saw that.
scroll up and read.. read the last few pages. you'll see it.
On February 28 2011 20:49 Soulforged wrote: Yeeeah
2gate obs PvP: advantageous\even against 1 or 2gate DTs, 3gate goon/obs, aaaaand....and that's it. Lose to 1gate nex -> 4gate, to 1gate nex -> robo, behind 1gate shuttle -> obs or reaver, can get ugly vs 3gate goon -> nex. Only reason to ever do it is overconfidence: it does not get instantly killed by anything, so skill advantage can kick in later. Except he was playing Stork, to whom soft counter BO advantage is totally enough.
What?
2 gate obs stops dt cold, comes out ahead vs 3 gate, can hold up against reaver first and can potentially live 4 gate. it loses to gate to nexus of any description.
it isn't overconfidence, it's called playing safe.
gate nexus loses to dt, 4 gate and has a rough time vs reaver first. it just trounces observer first.
I say there putting too much pressure on Bisu to win for them now. This keeps up, what will happen in the regular Proleague when it counts on everyone?
On February 28 2011 20:51 a7choi wrote: hahaha so many butt hurt bisu fan boys saying that bisu couldn't have won because he was at a huge BO disadvantage and that he'd beat stork any day straight up LOL i love it.
No, that's you saying that. I heard Bisu fans were the worst, but I never really saw that.
scroll up and read.. read the last few pages. you'll see it.
I did that. Not really what I saw, mostly KT fans saying that Bisu fans think so.
On February 28 2011 20:41 Holgerius wrote: Stork, you're amazing. Stork>>>Bisu!
eco cheese is pretty sick, eh?
Ya, that game was totally a build order loss. Bisu would've won in a straight up game.
I didn't say Bisu would have won in a straight up game. I implied Bisu didn't lose a straight up game.
I'm sure you'd be very impressed if Bisu rode a 14 nex home against Flash doing something other than 1 rax CC and people started spamming BISU>FLASH TROLOL.
Well, Bisu>Flash has no merit to it. One is bonjwa, one hasn't accomplished anything in Starleagues since way back in 09.
On February 28 2011 20:51 a7choi wrote: hahaha so many butt hurt bisu fan boys saying that bisu couldn't have won because he was at a huge BO disadvantage and that he'd beat stork any day straight up LOL i love it.
No, that's you saying that. I heard Bisu fans were the worst, but I never really saw that.
scroll up and read.. read the last few pages. you'll see it.
No one is rubbing it in.
It's the facts, and that's all that's being stated. You're exaggerating the situation.
2 gate obs stops dt cold, comes out ahead vs 3 gate, can hold up against reaver first and can potentially live 4 gate. it loses to gate to nexus of any description.
it isn't overconfidence, it's called playing safe.
gate nexus loses to dt, 4 gate and has a rough time vs reaver first. it just trounces observer first.
It isn't really ahead vs 3 gate. You're going to get contained, even with a reaver it'll take time to get out; you'll be behind in economy by then, and fighting reaver with no reaver with whole map to fall back on and goon advantage/more gates kicking is manageble.
Yes, can hold up against reaver first - but is a little behind on that. Really behind against any gate first.
Okay, any gate nexus auto loses to 4gate, gate nexus robo - like stork did - handles DT even better than gate robo gate obs.
What I'm saying is, Stork took a risk of losing to 4gate, and rode advantage home. Bisu chose not to take any risks at all and pick safe build, it won't cut against someone like Stork. Besides, it is a part of Bisu personality: whenever he gets on a hot winning streak, he starts to play extra safe against everyone. That is what I meant by overconfidence, he mentioned it in interviews before.
On February 28 2011 20:53 legaton wrote: They went up to 4 bases... he just was't good enough to win engagements in the central area of the map or to harass enough to come back after giving a small BO advantage.
Small BO advantages decide PvPs when we talk about people on the same level. Stork had better economy so he had more units than Bisu.
2 gate obs stops dt cold, comes out ahead vs 3 gate, can hold up against reaver first and can potentially live 4 gate. it loses to gate to nexus of any description.
it isn't overconfidence, it's called playing safe.
gate nexus loses to dt, 4 gate and has a rough time vs reaver first. it just trounces observer first.
It isn't really ahead vs 3 gate. You're going to get contained, even with a reaver it'll take time to get out; you'll be behind in economy by then, and fighting reaver with no reaver with whole map to fall back on and goon advantage/more gates kicking is manageble.
Yes, can hold up against reaver first - but is a little behind on that. Really behind against any gate first.
Okay, any gate nexus auto loses to 4gate, gate nexus robo - like stork did - handles DT even better than gate robo gate obs.
What I'm saying is, Stork took a risk of losing to 4gate, and rode advantage home. Bisu chose not to take any risks at all and pick safe build, it won't cut against someone like Stork. Besides, it is a part of Bisu personality: whenever he gets on a hot winning streak, he starts to play extra safe against everyone. That is what I meant by overconfidence, he mentioned it in interviews before.
3 gate is not going to rally across the map and contain 2 gate robo for any appreciable amount of time on almost any map.
gate nexus robo just trades losing to less aggressive gates for losing to dts.
you can't just roll the dice when your team sends you in 0:3. there is an old saying in pvp "first to expand, first to lose." kal and stork rolling the dice vs bisu is not a mark against him. that isn't to say it's a mark against stork either, 3:1 is the perfect time to look for a free win.
On February 28 2011 21:09 mdb wrote: And bisu once again shows that he is good only at beating random scrubs.
yes.. so true.. he can't mess with s-class players
You just love hating on Bisu, don't you?
On an unrelated note, rabid Stork fans really annoy me(both Korean and TL). I'm actually glad he didn't win the OSL because of it.
I've seen no post that would possibly lead you to say this in this thread... please direct me to it because it seems you are lashing out at the Stork fanbase because some of the KT fanbase are crapping on Bisu...
On February 28 2011 21:09 mdb wrote: And bisu once again shows that he is good only at beating random scrubs.
Jaedong is a random scrub these days?
Exception, that proves the rule
At least he didn't lose to scrubs lately, like Flash, Jaedong, Stork did. And no, I don't hate the other three. I just want to point out how ridiculous the reasoning is.
On February 28 2011 21:33 ShadeR wrote: I've seen no post that would possibly lead you to say this in this thread... please direct me to it because it seems you are lashing out at the Stork fanbase because some of the KT fanbase are crapping on Bisu...
I liked when he said he couldn't see how Bisu fans could be the worst... then comes out with this
:D :D :D
KT fans do love Stork though. Because they actually like good players, hence following Flash around everywhere. Stork true #2 foreva.
On February 28 2011 21:09 mdb wrote: And bisu once again shows that he is good only at beating random scrubs.
yes.. so true.. he can't mess with s-class players
You just love hating on Bisu, don't you?
On an unrelated note, rabid Stork fans really annoy me(both Korean and TL). I'm actually glad he didn't win the OSL because of it.
I've seen no post that would possibly lead you to say this in this thread... please direct me to it because it seems you are lashing out at the Stork fanbase because some of the KT fanbase are crapping on Bisu...
On February 28 2011 21:33 ShadeR wrote: I've seen no post that would possibly lead you to say this in this thread... please direct me to it because it seems you are lashing out at the Stork fanbase because some of the KT fanbase are crapping on Bisu...
I liked when he said he couldn't see how Bisu fans could be the worst... then comes out with this
:D :D :D
KT fans do love Stork though. Because they actually like good players, hence following Flash around everywhere. Stork true #2 foreva.
On February 28 2011 21:09 mdb wrote: And bisu once again shows that he is good only at beating random scrubs.
yes.. so true.. he can't mess with s-class players
You just love hating on Bisu, don't you?
On an unrelated note, rabid Stork fans really annoy me(both Korean and TL). I'm actually glad he didn't win the OSL because of it.
This is quite uncalled for. An unrelated note that should have been left unsaid. No wonder KT fans like to shit on your team because of the way you treat people who do not consider Bisu as their god.
On February 28 2011 22:20 kamikami wrote: SKT is sucking these days... Best and Fantasy lost to ... Reality. Come on !
Yeah well, fantasy just got a reality check. Oh shiiiit. And tvt is his worst matchup anyway, iirc, at least it should be, since he is rather inconsistent.
dang it... fantasy i hate you... Best I thought you'd do better... Bisu oh well.. I wanted you to all kill again.. maybe next time~ Stork congrats on revenging but i'd rather you do it on Fantasy...
On February 28 2011 21:09 mdb wrote: And bisu once again shows that he is good only at beating random scrubs.
yes.. so true.. he can't mess with s-class players
You just love hating on Bisu, don't you?
On an unrelated note, rabid Stork fans really annoy me(both Korean and TL). I'm actually glad he didn't win the OSL because of it.
This is quite uncalled for. An unrelated note that should have been left unsaid. No wonder KT fans like to shit on your team because of the way you treat people who do not consider Bisu as their god.
God what the hell. Best/Fanta/everybody else plays well in about 1 in every 3 league games. For the rest it seems "oh go Bisu". No wonder he isn't keeping up with other top level players BECAUSE HE IS PROBABLY EXHAUSTED FROM HAVING TO CARRY THE TEAM.
Loooooooool, you guys were all like "why is January sending Reality harumph harumph" and I was like, "Reality next bonjwa, why isn't he sent out every game?" and now look what's up.
On March 01 2011 03:10 1Eris1 wrote: God what the hell. Best/Fanta/everybody else plays well in about 1 in every 3 league games. For the rest it seems "oh go Bisu". No wonder he isn't keeping up with other top level players BECAUSE HE IS PROBABLY EXHAUSTED FROM HAVING TO CARRY THE TEAM.
sorry. gg stork
To be honest JD has been doing that for forever AND going deep in individual leagues at the same time, so yeah no longer in Kansas and all that jazz...
On March 01 2011 03:10 1Eris1 wrote: God what the hell. Best/Fanta/everybody else plays well in about 1 in every 3 league games. For the rest it seems "oh go Bisu". No wonder he isn't keeping up with other top level players BECAUSE HE IS PROBABLY EXHAUSTED FROM HAVING TO CARRY THE TEAM.
sorry. gg stork
To be honest JD has been doing that for forever AND going deep in individual leagues at the same time, so yeah no longer in Kansas and all that jazz...
On the other hand, flash really started succeeding when KT didn't need him as much. Last Seasons KT was not KTFlash through most of the season. Bisu's style is very mentally dependent, when his mental state is good, he's a boss, when it's bad, he's meh.
On March 01 2011 03:10 1Eris1 wrote: God what the hell. Best/Fanta/everybody else plays well in about 1 in every 3 league games. For the rest it seems "oh go Bisu". No wonder he isn't keeping up with other top level players BECAUSE HE IS PROBABLY EXHAUSTED FROM HAVING TO CARRY THE TEAM.
sorry. gg stork
To be honest JD has been doing that for forever AND going deep in individual leagues at the same time, so yeah no longer in Kansas and all that jazz...
And thats one of the reasons JD should be a bonjwa
On February 28 2011 21:09 mdb wrote: And bisu once again shows that he is good only at beating random scrubs.
yes.. so true.. he can't mess with s-class players
You just love hating on Bisu, don't you?
On an unrelated note, rabid Stork fans really annoy me(both Korean and TL). I'm actually glad he didn't win the OSL because of it.
This is quite uncalled for. An unrelated note that should have been left unsaid. No wonder KT fans like to shit on your team because of the way you treat people who do not consider Bisu as their god.
That's not even what I said. I think you might be proving what I said to be true. The only reason I mentioned this was because of the screaming in today's game. I like Stork almost as much as I like Bisu. Nevertheless, I don't like his annoying Korean fans(the ones in games), and the way you guys act to everyone else is quite bad. Remember how many people talked about Fantasy being oov's puppet after he beat Stork? I don't think Bisu fans are particularly good, but none of you can really claim the 'fanboy high ground' in this.
wait, reality has already seen a nontrivial amount of playtime (and some wins) in PL this season... last time I asked "who the hell is Reality" was like october lol
poor SKT fans... getting a taste of the fabled "one-man team"
ktflash ... no longer jaedong oz ... no longer hello skbisu
On March 01 2011 08:09 jalstar wrote: I don't think SKT fans are too unhappy that their second best player is an OSL winner with a 66.6% winrate this month. :p
Hmm...somehow his humiliating loss to Horang2 right after winning the OSL and subsequent schooling in the hands of Reality stand out much more to me than that all kill he did.
On February 28 2011 21:09 mdb wrote: And bisu once again shows that he is good only at beating random scrubs.
yes.. so true.. he can't mess with s-class players
You just love hating on Bisu, don't you?
On an unrelated note, rabid Stork fans really annoy me(both Korean and TL). I'm actually glad he didn't win the OSL because of it.
This is quite uncalled for. An unrelated note that should have been left unsaid. No wonder KT fans like to shit on your team because of the way you treat people who do not consider Bisu as their god.
You got it wrong, Renkaoru. The best follow up would've been:
"I'm glad Bisu's NEVER won an OSL because of SKT fans." Simultaneous Stork props and Bisu burn.
I have a lot of practice trashing on skt and Bisu, you gotta make it burn a little more when someone says something that mean about your player.
On March 01 2011 03:10 1Eris1 wrote: God what the hell. Best/Fanta/everybody else plays well in about 1 in every 3 league games. For the rest it seems "oh go Bisu". No wonder he isn't keeping up with other top level players BECAUSE HE IS PROBABLY EXHAUSTED FROM HAVING TO CARRY THE TEAM.
sorry. gg stork
To be honest JD has been doing that for forever AND going deep in individual leagues at the same time, so yeah no longer in Kansas and all that jazz...
On the other hand, flash really started succeeding when KT didn't need him as much. Last Seasons KT was not KTFlash through most of the season. Bisu's style is very mentally dependent, when his mental state is good, he's a boss, when it's bad, he's meh.
Holy crap, really? You seriously want to say it wasn't KTflash a year removed? Even when we went 10-1 in a round everyone, especially SKT fans, were calling it KTflash. We're still getting KTflash in osl writeups with nothing to do with Flash in it. It's ALWAYS been called KTFlash, how the hell do you say it isn't now just to defend Bisu's performance?
blagh, posts like this completely blow my mind. I liked it better when SKT fans just hated Flash and KT, not used them as an analog for Bisu and SKT. Go back to hating, stop saying nice things!
edit: Just so no one gets the wrong idea, this entire post was meant to be jovially facetious. Notice how I admit to being a mean person and at the end tell you guys to be jerks to me and my ilk. Don't want anyone taking this overly literal since that's been happening a lot more recently.
On February 28 2011 21:09 mdb wrote: And bisu once again shows that he is good only at beating random scrubs.
yes.. so true.. he can't mess with s-class players
You just love hating on Bisu, don't you?
On an unrelated note, rabid Stork fans really annoy me(both Korean and TL). I'm actually glad he didn't win the OSL because of it.
This is quite uncalled for. An unrelated note that should have been left unsaid. No wonder KT fans like to shit on your team because of the way you treat people who do not consider Bisu as their god.
That's not even what I said. I think you might be proving what I said to be true. The only reason I mentioned this was because of the screaming in today's game. I like Stork almost as much as I like Bisu. Nevertheless, I don't like his annoying Korean fans(the ones in games), and the way you guys act to everyone else is quite bad. Remember how many people talked about Fantasy being oov's puppet after he beat Stork? I don't think Bisu fans are particularly good, but none of you can really claim the 'fanboy high ground' in this.
The Korean fans in the games just bring vuvuzelas and chant Stork's name. How can you hate fans for their passion? Unless you know Korean and know that they're talking trash from their signs. In that case, fans should just sit down, have tea, and never cheer their hearts out for their favorite player.
There are quite a few Fantasy and Bisu anti-fan (and SKT anti-fan in general), so to single them out as Stork fans would be unfair. If someone hates Bisu, then naturally he would like Stork better than Bisu, but that doesn't mean he is a Stork fan. Stork is just a generally well liked player by the TL community, since he's such an old school player. Your head might explode if you hear an English commentary by Cholera between Bisu and Reach.
Don't you find it funny that during last season, it was concluded that Khan reached a point of stagnation due to the lack of rookie development and long term reliance on Stork/Jangbi/FBH/Great combo which was deteriorating?
And now we are suddenly looking at one of the deepest teams in the league sustained mainly by rookie players.
On February 28 2011 21:09 mdb wrote: And bisu once again shows that he is good only at beating random scrubs.
yes.. so true.. he can't mess with s-class players
You just love hating on Bisu, don't you?
On an unrelated note, rabid Stork fans really annoy me(both Korean and TL). I'm actually glad he didn't win the OSL because of it.
This is quite uncalled for. An unrelated note that should have been left unsaid. No wonder KT fans like to shit on your team because of the way you treat people who do not consider Bisu as their god.
That's not even what I said. I think you might be proving what I said to be true. The only reason I mentioned this was because of the screaming in today's game. I like Stork almost as much as I like Bisu. Nevertheless, I don't like his annoying Korean fans(the ones in games), and the way you guys act to everyone else is quite bad. Remember how many people talked about Fantasy being oov's puppet after he beat Stork? I don't think Bisu fans are particularly good, but none of you can really claim the 'fanboy high ground' in this.
well to be fair fans have their own way of expressing fanboy love:
Stork fans: by being noisy Bisu fans: by staring at his hair all day Best fans: by re-reading Nada's body thread every day