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radialis
Profile Joined November 2010
726 Posts
February 14 2011 11:53 GMT
#421
On February 14 2011 20:52 yoonyoon wrote:
Make a different thread to argue about this and watch Magikarp instead =]

yeah magikarp tearing shit up
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
February 14 2011 11:53 GMT
#422
Magikarp plays his trap card. That was some sick mine damage.
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
February 14 2011 11:53 GMT
#423
lol no one is LR'ing the Hiya vs Light game right now
Musou
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1375 Posts
February 14 2011 11:54 GMT
#424
Lone wraith takes out quite a bit and allows Light to push back, but Hiya's reinforcements show up and range upgrade kicks in just in time to snipe the wraith.
BobbYt3hBobbY
Profile Joined December 2008
256 Posts
February 14 2011 11:54 GMT
#425
Light showing again that he isn't good at anything besides tvz
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
February 14 2011 11:54 GMT
#426
please Hiya don't disappoint us this time, kill this stonefaced machine
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
February 14 2011 11:55 GMT
#427
On February 14 2011 20:50 Musou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 20:44 Ryo wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:39 swanized wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:33 Holgerius wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:32 Elefanto wrote:
light has the best tvz, sorry flash fans

I think it's somewhat fine to argue that he has the best MnM play, but a statement like this... nah. Come back when he can 3-0 JD in a Bo5.


Flash has incredible Bo5 preparation of course but light's raw TvZ skills are superior to Flash


No he isn't, Flash is a better TvZer in proleague, too. So, Flash is better in series play, in play where you don't know your opponent, in winrate, in elo, AND in gameplay (flash has flabbergasted us at everything for a year now, don't say Light is better because of one fairly well played game). There's absolutely nothing to prove that Light is the better TvZer other than bias.

Light's TvZ pre-2010 was not nearly as consistent as it is now so if you're going to look at a career winrate of course Flash's is higher.


Flash actually has a much better winrate vZ for 2010 than Light does if you exclude Effort, who seemed to have some uncanny knack for taking Flash out from being one of his top practice partners, even though his ZvT was not that great overall.

And why exactly would we do that?

Although, I'll still say that Flash's vZ stats from 2010 are more impressive considering he faced JD in 4 Bo5s.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 14 2011 11:55 GMT
#428
I'm gonna stop arguing about Light vs Flash in TvZ. I've really got nothing to prove, sorry for derailing guys. I just see the "Light #1 TvZ comments" and it gets my blood boiling. It's fantasy TvP all over again! It's okay though, I'll live.
Remember Violet.
Musou
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1375 Posts
February 14 2011 11:55 GMT
#429
Now Light reverses the earlier situation on Hiya, using mines to demolish a tank line in the middle of the map.
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
February 14 2011 11:55 GMT
#430
On February 14 2011 20:39 Ryo wrote:
Light is better at bio and Flash is better at Mech.
But like I pointed out in my Light writeup, the loss against Kwanro at Nate was the turning point, since then Light's TvZ in the past year is at 79%.

From 8 Jan 2010 to now, Light's TvZ is 76.92%: 40 wins - 12 losses

Same timeframe, Flash is 70.00%: 42 wins - 18 losses

Considering your cutoff is exactly after Light got 3-0'd by Kwanro, that 76.92% is more like 72.73%. Flash gets a slightly bump to 70.31% given the revised date.

As for Light's supposed vZ dominance in team leagues, his vZ winrate is actually lower than Flash given the aforementioned cutoff. 83.87% (26-5) vs 86.96% (20-3).
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
February 14 2011 11:56 GMT
#431
Light follows up a moderately effective vulture drop by pushing Hiya's tank line back. He's established position over 1/3 of the map, looks like it's anyone's game again.
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
tenacity
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1587 Posts
February 14 2011 11:57 GMT
#432
damn light plays very well.


epic mines
It does not need to be fun to be fun.
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
February 14 2011 11:57 GMT
#433
...and Light follows up by cleaning a whole bunch of Hiya's tanks out of nowhere.

Light's gathering wraiths. Hiya has more of the map and is grabbing expansions, but he looks spread thin.
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
tabula rasa
Profile Joined December 2010
360 Posts
February 14 2011 11:58 GMT
#434
On February 14 2011 20:42 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 20:33 flamewheel wrote:
The continuation of Jaedong's inability to win against the other elite...

Jaedong losing to S-class players in PL is nothing new. Even in 2010, I don't think he ever beat Light/Flash/Stork/Bisu in PL but that still didn't stop him from clearly being the 2nd best player.

holy shit, i just looked up jaedong's pl and sl records against bisu and stork:

vs. bisu/stork in PL: 1-13
vs. bisu/stork in SL: 18-10

jaedong has never lost a series against either player except during wcg
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
February 14 2011 11:58 GMT
#435
On February 14 2011 20:55 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I'm gonna stop arguing about Light vs Flash in TvZ. I've really got nothing to prove, sorry for derailing guys. I just see the "Light #1 TvZ comments" and it gets my blood boiling. It's fantasy TvP all over again! It's okay though, I'll live.

Ok,ok nobody saying he is #1, its all about one particular part of his TvZ game like mm managing, today his game was, fucking awesome, I was disappointed by JD, but still Light was waay too good
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
February 14 2011 11:59 GMT
#436
Hiya bro you saw the wraiths what are you doing hahaha
Musou
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1375 Posts
February 14 2011 11:59 GMT
#437
Light's cloaked wraiths take out all of Hiya's completely undefended dropships. Luckily he has nothing in them, but it's still quite a loss.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 14 2011 11:59 GMT
#438
Holy crap, Light's wraith transition payed off big time. Lots of tank kills and dropship snipes.
Remember Violet.
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
February 14 2011 11:59 GMT
#439
Wraiths pew pewing at Hiya's center tank line, Light pushes Hiya back.

Light finds Hiya's dropships and noms them all up. Man, Light is good at TvT.
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
February 14 2011 11:59 GMT
#440
Don't really care about who's 1st or 2nd, i prefer light's bio tvz more and i prefer fantasy's tvp vulture harass more cause they appeal more to ne. Don't stop the lr-ing, im outside and i cant watch it
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
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