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Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
February 14 2011 11:35 GMT
#381
Drops man... what the fuck.
Quarz
Profile Joined November 2010
448 Posts
February 14 2011 11:35 GMT
#382
On February 14 2011 20:34 radialis wrote:
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On February 14 2011 20:33 flamewheel wrote:
The continuation of Jaedong's inability to win against the other elite...

i would hardly call light "elite", but yeah i've noticed JD hasn't beaten a really good player in months


Light is TvZ elite, so this sentenence is true. Zero has beaten Light not long ago. JD ist consistent not to lose to scrubs, but against the best he is not capable of nowadays.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
February 14 2011 11:35 GMT
#383
On February 14 2011 20:28 Musou wrote:
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On February 14 2011 20:27 Harem wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:20 Holgerius wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that Light is better than Flash at anything.

He has really sick MnM play though, and I'd definitely hold him as #2 in the world at TvZ.

Ver says it best.

However, Flash is not Light. Brilliant as he is in every other aspect, Flash lacks the multitasking ability, the sense of timing, and the overall understanding of how to play in the positions Light finds most comfortable: aggressive 3 base lategame positions. Clearly Jaedong understood Flash's weakness and managed to force the latter into a position he was very uncomfortable in, just as Flash had done to him with his original midgame strategy.


That was written before Flash began godmode last year. If you watch his more recent TvZ bio games, it's nothing like that. He's literally everywhere on the map with his starsense and multitasking.

...He wrote that in his recap/analysis of Bigfile MSL.
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Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
February 14 2011 11:36 GMT
#384
JD's build ran along a wire's edge, going to four bases whilst relying on his muta fake to keep Terran in his base and wasting resources on turrets and such. When Light pushed out and took out JD's 4th before JD was ready for it, the game was already looking not so good for JD, you can't just blame it on "lol drops imba".
The original Bogus fan.
Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
February 14 2011 11:36 GMT
#385
On February 14 2011 20:35 Lucumo wrote:
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On February 14 2011 20:34 Spica wrote:
Light denies a potential all-kill by Jaedong.

Killer won already one game. No 4-1 this time -.-

Oops, forgot about Killer. I always forget about Jaedong's teammates...
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
February 14 2011 11:36 GMT
#386
Man, why does he go Hydralurk anyway... ~~
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
February 14 2011 11:36 GMT
#387
On February 14 2011 20:34 radialis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 20:33 flamewheel wrote:
The continuation of Jaedong's inability to win against the other elite...

i would hardly call light "elite", but yeah i've noticed JD hasn't beaten a really good player in months

In TvZ, Light is elite, no problem.
As for Light/Flash, they have pretty different palystyle, but I'd say Light's standard lategame bio is better than Flash's. For the rest though...
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
February 14 2011 11:37 GMT
#388
On February 14 2011 20:33 flamewheel wrote:
The continuation of Jaedong's inability to win against the other elite...

This is all so Fucking disappointing, its so called "inability" is just "veteran days and well earned rest are at the door". Sigh! first + Show Spoiler +
Fedor loses to Silva, then Jd to Hydra, oh my
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4732 Posts
February 14 2011 11:37 GMT
#389
On February 14 2011 20:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
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On February 14 2011 20:32 Elefanto wrote:
light has the best tvz, sorry flash fans


Nope, not even close. Light loses to Jaedong in tournaments, Flash 3-0s him. Same maps, too.


There was exactly one 3-0 if I recall correctly. Not that it changes anything though.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
February 14 2011 11:37 GMT
#390
Why does Jaedong always do these weird non-standard builds against Light in PL? This is at least the 3rd game I've seen him lose like this.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 14 2011 11:38 GMT
#391
On February 14 2011 20:35 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 20:28 Musou wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:27 Harem wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:20 Holgerius wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that Light is better than Flash at anything.

He has really sick MnM play though, and I'd definitely hold him as #2 in the world at TvZ.

Ver says it best.

However, Flash is not Light. Brilliant as he is in every other aspect, Flash lacks the multitasking ability, the sense of timing, and the overall understanding of how to play in the positions Light finds most comfortable: aggressive 3 base lategame positions. Clearly Jaedong understood Flash's weakness and managed to force the latter into a position he was very uncomfortable in, just as Flash had done to him with his original midgame strategy.


That was written before Flash began godmode last year. If you watch his more recent TvZ bio games, it's nothing like that. He's literally everywhere on the map with his starsense and multitasking.

...He wrote that in his recap/analysis of Bigfile MSL.


How can you seriously argue this when Flash just beat Jaedong in two goddamn finals, where Light has never gotten past Jaedong in a series. Light is not as good as Flash at anything, especially not at lategame.
Remember Violet.
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-14 11:39:19
February 14 2011 11:38 GMT
#392
On February 14 2011 20:33 Holgerius wrote:
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On February 14 2011 20:32 Elefanto wrote:
light has the best tvz, sorry flash fans

I think it's somewhat fine to argue that he has the best MnM play, but a statement like this... nah. Come back when he can 3-0 JD in a Bo5.

Come back when he can beat JD in a Bo5 period.

All the talk about his TvZ, it was his TvZ that let him down at MSL.

Until then, Flash will continue to sit pretty with his top vZ and peak vZ ELO.
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
February 14 2011 11:39 GMT
#393
On February 14 2011 20:33 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 20:32 Elefanto wrote:
light has the best tvz, sorry flash fans

I think it's somewhat fine to argue that he has the best MnM play, but a statement like this... nah. Come back when he can 3-0 JD in a Bo5.


Flash has incredible Bo5 preparation of course but light's raw TvZ skills are superior to Flash
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tenacity
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1587 Posts
February 14 2011 11:39 GMT
#394
link to the dance with that super hot kpop band in the red dresses is demanded!
It does not need to be fun to be fun.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
February 14 2011 11:39 GMT
#395
Light is better at bio and Flash is better at Mech.
But like I pointed out in my Light writeup, the loss against Kwanro at Nate was the turning point, since then Light's TvZ in the past year is at 79%.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
February 14 2011 11:40 GMT
#396
On February 14 2011 20:39 swanized wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 20:33 Holgerius wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:32 Elefanto wrote:
light has the best tvz, sorry flash fans

I think it's somewhat fine to argue that he has the best MnM play, but a statement like this... nah. Come back when he can 3-0 JD in a Bo5.


Flash has incredible Bo5 preparation of course but light's raw TvZ skills are superior to Flash

Don't see how you can say that. Flash is miles ahead in ELO, he has a much higher winrate overall in the MU and he has a winning record vs JD.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
February 14 2011 11:41 GMT
#397
On February 14 2011 20:40 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 20:39 swanized wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:33 Holgerius wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:32 Elefanto wrote:
light has the best tvz, sorry flash fans

I think it's somewhat fine to argue that he has the best MnM play, but a statement like this... nah. Come back when he can 3-0 JD in a Bo5.


Flash has incredible Bo5 preparation of course but light's raw TvZ skills are superior to Flash

Don't see how you can say that. Flash is miles ahead in ELO, he has a much higher winrate overall in the MU and he has a winning record vs JD.

Because ELO is an indication of raw TvZ skills.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
February 14 2011 11:41 GMT
#398
Ahh, Magikarp? Well, okay then...

Too sleepy to watch any more.... Good luck to the best team though!
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-14 11:42:08
February 14 2011 11:41 GMT
#399
magikarp fighting!
first we make expand, then we defense it.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 14 2011 11:42 GMT
#400
On February 14 2011 20:39 swanized wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 20:33 Holgerius wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:32 Elefanto wrote:
light has the best tvz, sorry flash fans

I think it's somewhat fine to argue that he has the best MnM play, but a statement like this... nah. Come back when he can 3-0 JD in a Bo5.


Flash has incredible Bo5 preparation of course but light's raw TvZ skills are superior to Flash


No he isn't, Flash is a better TvZer in proleague, too. So, Flash is better in series play, in play where you don't know your opponent, in winrate, in elo, AND in gameplay (flash has flabbergasted us at everything for a year now, don't say Light is better because of one fairly well played game). There's absolutely nothing to prove that Light is the better TvZer other than bias.
Remember Violet.
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