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pylonsalad
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada649 Posts
February 14 2011 11:42 GMT
#401
You guys arguing how many angels can dance on a needle's head. Though they play different styles I would say Light and Flash are equal at TvZ. They are the favourite vs all zergs bar none. Light's play is more fun to watch though.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
February 14 2011 11:42 GMT
#402
On February 14 2011 20:33 flamewheel wrote:
The continuation of Jaedong's inability to win against the other elite...

Jaedong losing to S-class players in PL is nothing new. Even in 2010, I don't think he ever beat Light/Flash/Stork/Bisu in PL but that still didn't stop him from clearly being the 2nd best player.
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
February 14 2011 11:43 GMT
#403
Hiya out!
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
February 14 2011 11:43 GMT
#404
why does hiya keep changing his name
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
February 14 2011 11:43 GMT
#405
Flash has a better winrate vs Zerg in just teamlagues as well. 75% in his career vs Light's 70%.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
tabula rasa
Profile Joined December 2010
360 Posts
February 14 2011 11:43 GMT
#406
i hate TvT. i hope hiya does something creative.
Galek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Poland234 Posts
February 14 2011 11:43 GMT
#407
Yeah Hiya! Though looking at both of them, vT winrate isn't their best. Should be intresting to watch.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
February 14 2011 11:44 GMT
#408
On February 14 2011 20:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 20:39 swanized wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:33 Holgerius wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:32 Elefanto wrote:
light has the best tvz, sorry flash fans

I think it's somewhat fine to argue that he has the best MnM play, but a statement like this... nah. Come back when he can 3-0 JD in a Bo5.


Flash has incredible Bo5 preparation of course but light's raw TvZ skills are superior to Flash


No he isn't, Flash is a better TvZer in proleague, too. So, Flash is better in series play, in play where you don't know your opponent, in winrate, in elo, AND in gameplay (flash has flabbergasted us at everything for a year now, don't say Light is better because of one fairly well played game). There's absolutely nothing to prove that Light is the better TvZer other than bias.

Light's TvZ pre-2010 was not nearly as consistent as it is now so if you're going to look at a career winrate of course Flash's is higher.
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Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
February 14 2011 11:45 GMT
#409
Wow, EXACTLY the same.
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
February 14 2011 11:46 GMT
#410
Both players forward raxing.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-14 11:48:50
February 14 2011 11:46 GMT
#411
I'm just wondering how anyone can say Light has more raw skill than Flash. I thought it's been known for YEARS that Flash has more raw skill than any player in the game and it was just a matter of him applying him. That's what we saw last year when he literally won everything. I find it plain incomprehensible that you can say an older, less accomplished, less impressive player can be said to have more raw skill.

It's like how not too long ago people were saying Fantasy had the best TvP whenever he won an impressive game, and they'd give all these vague, unsupported reasons. Same with Skyhigh and TvT (this one is closer than others, though). It just doesn't make sense or hold any water, not when you look at individual games, how much they've accomplished in the matchups, innovated in the matchups, how well they play, nothing.
Remember Violet.
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
February 14 2011 11:48 GMT
#412
On February 14 2011 20:42 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 20:33 flamewheel wrote:
The continuation of Jaedong's inability to win against the other elite...

Jaedong losing to S-class players in PL is nothing new. Even in 2010, I don't think he ever beat Light/Flash/Stork/Bisu in PL but that still didn't stop him from clearly being the 2nd best player.

Exactly this. I'm not sure why people seem to forget this but Jaedong has always got his PL wins mostly against lesser players and dominated in series play. His winrate against S-Class and many top A-class players in PL hasn't really ever been that good.
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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
February 14 2011 11:48 GMT
#413
On February 14 2011 20:46 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I'm just wondering how anyone can say Light has more raw skill than Flash. I thought it's been known for YEARS that Flash has more raw skill than any player in the game and it was just a matter of him applying him. That's what we saw last year when he literally won everything. I find it plain incomprehensible that you can say an older, less accomplished, less impressive player can be said to have more raw skill.

Oh give it a rest. People are allowed different opinions.
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swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
February 14 2011 11:49 GMT
#414
On February 14 2011 20:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 20:39 swanized wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:33 Holgerius wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:32 Elefanto wrote:
light has the best tvz, sorry flash fans

I think it's somewhat fine to argue that he has the best MnM play, but a statement like this... nah. Come back when he can 3-0 JD in a Bo5.


Flash has incredible Bo5 preparation of course but light's raw TvZ skills are superior to Flash


No he isn't, Flash is a better TvZer in proleague, too. So, Flash is better in series play, in play where you don't know your opponent, in winrate, in elo, AND in gameplay (flash has flabbergasted us at everything for a year now, don't say Light is better because of one fairly well played game). There's absolutely nothing to prove that Light is the better TvZer other than bias.


one fairly well played game? have watched Light's TvZ in the last 6 months
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 14 2011 11:50 GMT
#415
On February 14 2011 20:48 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 20:46 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I'm just wondering how anyone can say Light has more raw skill than Flash. I thought it's been known for YEARS that Flash has more raw skill than any player in the game and it was just a matter of him applying him. That's what we saw last year when he literally won everything. I find it plain incomprehensible that you can say an older, less accomplished, less impressive player can be said to have more raw skill.

Oh give it a rest. People are allowed different opinions.


Except for me, I guess? They voiced their opinion so I voice mine.
Remember Violet.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
February 14 2011 11:50 GMT
#416
On February 14 2011 20:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 20:39 swanized wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:33 Holgerius wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:32 Elefanto wrote:
light has the best tvz, sorry flash fans

I think it's somewhat fine to argue that he has the best MnM play, but a statement like this... nah. Come back when he can 3-0 JD in a Bo5.


Flash has incredible Bo5 preparation of course but light's raw TvZ skills are superior to Flash


No he isn't, Flash is a better TvZer in proleague, too. So, Flash is better in series play, in play where you don't know your opponent, in winrate, in elo, AND in gameplay (flash has flabbergasted us at everything for a year now, don't say Light is better because of one fairly well played game). There's absolutely nothing to prove that Light is the better TvZer other than bias.

oh come on, Stop your fanboyism, nobody is trying to hurt Flash TvZ dominance, ok? we just saying Light bio standart style is more impressive, and if you wont be lazy and watch some of his vs JD games you'll see it, Flash wins are due to his timing sence and, chit, overall game understanding is waaay better, but in mm he's just good, not something that makes you open your mouth.
Musou
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1375 Posts
February 14 2011 11:50 GMT
#417
On February 14 2011 20:44 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 20:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:39 swanized wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:33 Holgerius wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:32 Elefanto wrote:
light has the best tvz, sorry flash fans

I think it's somewhat fine to argue that he has the best MnM play, but a statement like this... nah. Come back when he can 3-0 JD in a Bo5.


Flash has incredible Bo5 preparation of course but light's raw TvZ skills are superior to Flash


No he isn't, Flash is a better TvZer in proleague, too. So, Flash is better in series play, in play where you don't know your opponent, in winrate, in elo, AND in gameplay (flash has flabbergasted us at everything for a year now, don't say Light is better because of one fairly well played game). There's absolutely nothing to prove that Light is the better TvZer other than bias.

Light's TvZ pre-2010 was not nearly as consistent as it is now so if you're going to look at a career winrate of course Flash's is higher.


Flash actually has a much better winrate vZ for 2010 than Light does if you exclude Effort, who seemed to have some uncanny knack for taking Flash out from being one of his top practice partners, even though his ZvT was not that great overall.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-14 11:53:57
February 14 2011 11:52 GMT
#418
On February 14 2011 20:49 swanized wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 20:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:39 swanized wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:33 Holgerius wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:32 Elefanto wrote:
light has the best tvz, sorry flash fans

I think it's somewhat fine to argue that he has the best MnM play, but a statement like this... nah. Come back when he can 3-0 JD in a Bo5.


Flash has incredible Bo5 preparation of course but light's raw TvZ skills are superior to Flash


No he isn't, Flash is a better TvZer in proleague, too. So, Flash is better in series play, in play where you don't know your opponent, in winrate, in elo, AND in gameplay (flash has flabbergasted us at everything for a year now, don't say Light is better because of one fairly well played game). There's absolutely nothing to prove that Light is the better TvZer other than bias.


one fairly well played game? have watched Light's TvZ in the last 6 months


Yeah, and he's been absolutely less impressive than Flash. Didn't he lose to Gorush recently? (though Gorush played well that game iirc). He just...loses more often, to weaker and better opponents alike, and doesn't play at the same level Flash does. He's clearly the #2 TvZer, I just don't get how you can say he has more raw skill when that has been Flash's calling card for years.

On February 14 2011 20:50 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 20:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:39 swanized wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:33 Holgerius wrote:
On February 14 2011 20:32 Elefanto wrote:
light has the best tvz, sorry flash fans

I think it's somewhat fine to argue that he has the best MnM play, but a statement like this... nah. Come back when he can 3-0 JD in a Bo5.


Flash has incredible Bo5 preparation of course but light's raw TvZ skills are superior to Flash


No he isn't, Flash is a better TvZer in proleague, too. So, Flash is better in series play, in play where you don't know your opponent, in winrate, in elo, AND in gameplay (flash has flabbergasted us at everything for a year now, don't say Light is better because of one fairly well played game). There's absolutely nothing to prove that Light is the better TvZer other than bias.

oh come on, Stop your fanboyism, nobody is trying to hurt Flash TvZ dominance, ok? we just saying Light bio standart style is more impressive, and if you wont be lazy and watch some of his vs JD games you'll see it, Flash wins are due to his timing sence and, chit, overall game understanding is waaay better, but in mm he's just good, not something that makes you open your mouth.


I wish I had saved Mr. Hoons gifs of Flash vs Lurkers. He has the most beautiful MnM micro.
Remember Violet.
yoonyoon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1065 Posts
February 14 2011 11:52 GMT
#419
Make a different thread to argue about this and watch Magikarp instead =]
Musou
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1375 Posts
February 14 2011 11:53 GMT
#420
Wow, Light's tank/goliath push just got crushed by Hiya's mines.
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