EPT[SWL] Hwaseung OZ vs MBCGameHero - Page 21
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pylonsalad
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
On February 14 2011 20:33 flamewheel wrote: The continuation of Jaedong's inability to win against the other elite... Jaedong losing to S-class players in PL is nothing new. Even in 2010, I don't think he ever beat Light/Flash/Stork/Bisu in PL but that still didn't stop him from clearly being the 2nd best player. | ||
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mnesthes
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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Holgerius
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tabula rasa
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Galek
Poland234 Posts
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Ryo
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On February 14 2011 20:42 TwoToneTerran wrote: No he isn't, Flash is a better TvZer in proleague, too. So, Flash is better in series play, in play where you don't know your opponent, in winrate, in elo, AND in gameplay (flash has flabbergasted us at everything for a year now, don't say Light is better because of one fairly well played game). There's absolutely nothing to prove that Light is the better TvZer other than bias. Light's TvZ pre-2010 was not nearly as consistent as it is now so if you're going to look at a career winrate of course Flash's is higher. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
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mnesthes
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
It's like how not too long ago people were saying Fantasy had the best TvP whenever he won an impressive game, and they'd give all these vague, unsupported reasons. Same with Skyhigh and TvT (this one is closer than others, though). It just doesn't make sense or hold any water, not when you look at individual games, how much they've accomplished in the matchups, innovated in the matchups, how well they play, nothing. | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
On February 14 2011 20:42 DarkMatter_ wrote: Jaedong losing to S-class players in PL is nothing new. Even in 2010, I don't think he ever beat Light/Flash/Stork/Bisu in PL but that still didn't stop him from clearly being the 2nd best player. Exactly this. I'm not sure why people seem to forget this but Jaedong has always got his PL wins mostly against lesser players and dominated in series play. His winrate against S-Class and many top A-class players in PL hasn't really ever been that good. | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On February 14 2011 20:46 TwoToneTerran wrote: I'm just wondering how anyone can say Light has more raw skill than Flash. I thought it's been known for YEARS that Flash has more raw skill than any player in the game and it was just a matter of him applying him. That's what we saw last year when he literally won everything. I find it plain incomprehensible that you can say an older, less accomplished, less impressive player can be said to have more raw skill. Oh give it a rest. People are allowed different opinions. | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On February 14 2011 20:42 TwoToneTerran wrote: No he isn't, Flash is a better TvZer in proleague, too. So, Flash is better in series play, in play where you don't know your opponent, in winrate, in elo, AND in gameplay (flash has flabbergasted us at everything for a year now, don't say Light is better because of one fairly well played game). There's absolutely nothing to prove that Light is the better TvZer other than bias. one fairly well played game? have watched Light's TvZ in the last 6 months | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On February 14 2011 20:48 Ryo wrote: Oh give it a rest. People are allowed different opinions. Except for me, I guess? They voiced their opinion so I voice mine. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On February 14 2011 20:42 TwoToneTerran wrote: No he isn't, Flash is a better TvZer in proleague, too. So, Flash is better in series play, in play where you don't know your opponent, in winrate, in elo, AND in gameplay (flash has flabbergasted us at everything for a year now, don't say Light is better because of one fairly well played game). There's absolutely nothing to prove that Light is the better TvZer other than bias. oh come on, Stop your fanboyism, nobody is trying to hurt Flash TvZ dominance, ok? we just saying Light bio standart style is more impressive, and if you wont be lazy and watch some of his vs JD games you'll see it, Flash wins are due to his timing sence and, chit, overall game understanding is waaay better, but in mm he's just good, not something that makes you open your mouth. | ||
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Musou
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On February 14 2011 20:44 Ryo wrote: Light's TvZ pre-2010 was not nearly as consistent as it is now so if you're going to look at a career winrate of course Flash's is higher. Flash actually has a much better winrate vZ for 2010 than Light does if you exclude Effort, who seemed to have some uncanny knack for taking Flash out from being one of his top practice partners, even though his ZvT was not that great overall. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On February 14 2011 20:49 swanized wrote: one fairly well played game? have watched Light's TvZ in the last 6 months Yeah, and he's been absolutely less impressive than Flash. Didn't he lose to Gorush recently? (though Gorush played well that game iirc). He just...loses more often, to weaker and better opponents alike, and doesn't play at the same level Flash does. He's clearly the #2 TvZer, I just don't get how you can say he has more raw skill when that has been Flash's calling card for years. On February 14 2011 20:50 letian wrote: oh come on, Stop your fanboyism, nobody is trying to hurt Flash TvZ dominance, ok? we just saying Light bio standart style is more impressive, and if you wont be lazy and watch some of his vs JD games you'll see it, Flash wins are due to his timing sence and, chit, overall game understanding is waaay better, but in mm he's just good, not something that makes you open your mouth. I wish I had saved Mr. Hoons gifs of Flash vs Lurkers. He has the most beautiful MnM micro.  | ||
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yoonyoon
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Musou
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