EPTI just hope it doesn't happen.
I mean, who would make a better finals, Fantasy Modesty or FantasyStork
Go see Incurit 2008
Then look at all of Modesty's OSL finals
... o wait
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3693 Posts
I just hope it doesn't happen. I mean, who would make a better finals, Fantasy Modesty or FantasyStork Go see Incurit 2008 Then look at all of Modesty's OSL finals ... o wait | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:40 popzags wrote: Let me sum this up: + Show Spoiler [super-short recap] + Game 1: I missed it, but Fantasy did something retared and Lurkers killed him. Probably horrible. Game 2: Calm does crazy amount of damage then loses all Drones to two Wraiths. My eyes bleed. Game 3: 4 Pool success. Whatever. Game 4: 4 Pool fail on a map that's quite OK for ZvT. Damn. Game 5: Calm refuses to expand after setting up fine contain. Then masses Queens and dies. Meh. According to expectations: did not disappoint. Game 1 lifted barracks and let lurkers in. He has a turret in the front so deecided to be nice since he didnt have turrets in the back. | ||
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Hazard
Norway594 Posts
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ssregi-
Korea (South)146 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:37 Sawamura wrote: Fanta tvp is solid since when ???? Since he beats Kal and other Protoss except Stork like eating dinner | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:40 Holgerius wrote: Why didn't Calm just mass expo and drone up after he did the Hydra attack that put Fantasy on 2 base with like 2 tanks left? Fantasy was not in a position to do anything after that. Instead he massed queens. Brain Zerg!!!!! I call this the Killer approach to TvZ. | ||
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Piste
6180 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:39 Sawamura wrote: Kind to refer me some of his beautiful tvp ..... ? he has over 63% TvP all-time. his best match up ad he says he is always confident on that match up. And he is damn good at it. one of top TvP. You've been living under a rock? | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:40 Holgerius wrote: Why didn't Calm just mass expo and drone up after he did the Hydra attack that put Fantasy on 2 base with like 2 tanks left? Fantasy was not in a position to do anything after that. Instead he massed queens. Brain Zerg!!!!! I thought Fantasy was in a great position after that: Calm had already lost some drones and he was building hydras instead of droning up. And fanta could easily take two expos with only a few tanks on that map. Besides it was 2 gas vs 2 gas.. But you understand this game better than me  | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:35 HKriceboy88 wrote: I think fantasy's dancing bc is right above you right now Yep. And also, if someone wants to nerdrage Fantasy, then why call him boring??? I mean, those who hate Flash also don't go "OH FLASH I HATE YOU SO MUCH BECAUSE YOUR MACRO IS SUCK" Fantasy has sop often ...let's say... interesting... builds. Not that they usually work, but they are interesting. Plus he is pretty creative and also always doing his Vulture thing. | ||
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popzags
Poland604 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:40 Holgerius wrote: Why didn't Calm just mass expo and drone up after he did the Hydra attack that put Fantasy on 2 base with like 2 tanks left? Fantasy was not in a position to do anything after that. Instead he massed queens. Brain Zerg!!!!! I see a pattern here: he did quite the same in Game 2. Not enough patience. | ||
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Slaynte
United States155 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:39 Sawamura wrote: Kind to refer me some of his beautiful tvp ..... ? http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/12348_fantasy_vs_JangBi/vod | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13069 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:37 hellbound wrote: Or you can just make mutas instead of queens. That would be so bad .... fanta had like at least 2 vessels and goliaths pumping all the time. Queens were preety good in this game but there are few mistakes that lost that game. 1. Calm shouldnt really attacked in that position at all ... but with Queens it was possible 2. Calm IF he attacked little bit better and tried to micro he woulda won that battle because he killed like 10 tanks with broodlings. BUT he send all hydras with no flanking in a single line against 15 tanks LOL 3. Calm stoped expanding and he woulda lose even if he won that battle anyways... so he shoulda waited for fantasy to move out and crush his army with flank + broodlings | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:41 ReketSomething wrote: Game 1 lifted barracks and let lurkers in. He has a turret in the front so deecided to be nice since he didnt have turrets in the back. He didn't have any turrets at the time. He saw the 3 lurker eggs morphing, and decided to lift the rax and let them in (0 detection in his entire base). The turret didnt finish till after they already chased the scvs off the mineral line. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
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oBlade
United States5784 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:45 Slaynte wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/12348_fantasy_vs_JangBi/vod I was about to mention this. It's quite a legendary game. The reason fantasy vs stork doesn't dissapoint is that fantasy doesn't play Flash's style. According to IdrA, stork basically plays abusively (or in a nicer way, his style is about exploiting). Flash's counter is to play so well that he wins. fantasy can play harass games. He's basically scrappy aggressive whereas Midas would be scrappy macro TvP. | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:51 dukethegold wrote: Lol, if Calm expanded after that hydra bust, he would have won the series. He was on 4 base v.s. Fantasy's 2 base. Fantasy was in no position to push. Calm could have double expanded and get away with it. Dunno about the queens lol. That was a massive investment in gas. Looked to me like a typical case of a progamer having a decent early game strategy but no plan for the follow-up. I think he really expected to win with that initial hydra push, or at least pull far enough ahead that would win later with overwhelming numbers. Fantasy defended well though, saved a couple of tanks at the back and Calm just looked a little lost after that. | ||
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mnesthes
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
now it's up to Stork to deliver. | ||
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Hazard
Norway594 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:51 dukethegold wrote: Lol, if Calm expanded after that hydra bust, he would have won the series. He was on 4 base v.s. Fantasy's 2 base. Fantasy was in no position to push. Calm could have double expanded and get away with it. Dunno about the queens lol. That was a massive investment in gas. I don't think it's that certain cuz top Terrans with mech can sit on 1-2 bases and win games against ~5 base oponents. I remember Flash vs Bisu when Bisu had +3 or smth bases a year and a half ago and attacked like crazy but Flash was defending with his mech for like ~35-40 minutes and each time Bisu ALMOST broke his natural but one push on ~40+ minutes from Flash ended the game. So Flash, Fantasy and yes Canata are maybe boring in their defense but effective and it's all about wining the game. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:57 Hazard wrote: I don't think it's that certain cuz top Terrans with mech can sit on 1-2 bases and win games against ~5 base oponents. I remember Flash vs Bisu when Bisu had +3 or smth bases a year and a half ago and attacked like crazy but Flash was defending with his mech for like ~35-40 minutes and each time Bisu ALMOST broke his natural but one push on ~40+ minutes from Flash ended the game. So Flash, Fantasy and yes Canata are maybe boring in their defense but effective and it's all about wining the game. Are you honestly using a TvP to analyze a TvZ? 1-2 base against 5 base opponent? | ||
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radialis
726 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:38 moopie wrote: there are quite a few examples you can go dig up. ffs even superarc showed respect. i will gladly eat my words because someone else gave me a real game. i still think there's way too big a deal to be made of it though. when you're going to come across as rude you should at least back up your point with solid evidence | ||
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