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ssregi-
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)146 Posts
January 14 2011 13:02 GMT
#1521
Calm's doing just like " Hey fantasy, i'm done with BW :D "
NeVeR GiVeUp !~~
Reggiegigas
Profile Joined August 2010
234 Posts
January 14 2011 13:02 GMT
#1522
On January 14 2011 21:40 Holgerius wrote:
Why didn't Calm just mass expo and drone up after he did the Hydra attack that put Fantasy on 2 base with like 2 tanks left? Fantasy was not in a position to do anything after that.

Instead he massed queens. Brain Zerg!!!!!

If it had worked, you'd be cheering it as a great strategy... Fantasy just played well is all.

Except for the many idle SCVs... That's an eyesore...
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
January 14 2011 13:07 GMT
#1523
Why are people surprised about 4 base Zerg lost to 2 base Terran ?

Terran 2 base = Protoss 3 base
Protoss 3 base = Zerg 4 base

=> Terran 2 base = Zerg 4 base

Do maths demonstrate that 2 base Terran is not at a disadvantage vs Zerg 4 base.
Khassar de Templari
Hazard
Profile Joined September 2009
Norway594 Posts
January 14 2011 13:07 GMT
#1524
On January 14 2011 21:59 dukethegold wrote:
Are you honestly using a TvP to analyze a TvZ?

1-2 base against 5 base opponent?

Well it's not an analyze but just a thought that Terrans can turtle like no other in SC. Besides Calm played like he was facing Protoss with all those hydras. So in a mind-twisted way it was a TvP
"Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
January 14 2011 13:08 GMT
#1525
On January 14 2011 21:51 dukethegold wrote:
Lol, if Calm expanded after that hydra bust, he would have won the series. He was on 4 base v.s. Fantasy's 2 base. Fantasy was in no position to push. Calm could have double expanded and get away with it. Dunno about the queens lol. That was a massive investment in gas.

Is it only I who thought that Calm was in a very bad spot once he had lost that big attack? Fanta had already killed a couple of drones and Calms third was a mineral only.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
GoodRamen
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States713 Posts
January 14 2011 13:12 GMT
#1526
updated with recommend section, this was fun want to do another one sometime in the future. Please give me some constructive criticism so i can improve.
#1 Fantasy Fan!!!!
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-14 13:19:08
January 14 2011 13:14 GMT
#1527
On January 14 2011 22:07 kamikami wrote:
Why are people surprised about 4 base Zerg lost to 2 base Terran ?

Terran 2 base = Protoss 3 base
Protoss 3 base = Zerg 4 base

=> Terran 2 base = Zerg 4 base

Do maths demonstrate that 2 base Terran is not at a disadvantage vs Zerg 4 base.
Honestly do you even watch Starcraft? or TvZ for that matter? You obviously can't compare them like that. I'm not even trying to convince you that 4 base Zerg > 2 base Terran, since the comparison is just as tarded as concluding that Effort can beat Jaedong in ZvZ based on Effort > Flash in the OSL and Flash > Jaedong in the OSL. I'm sorry I can't think of a better example right now but I guess it can somewhat serve as an example of what I am trying to say here.
And post a game where a Terran stays on 2 bases for the whole game and beats a 4 base (fully-saturated) Zerg.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-14 13:16:47
January 14 2011 13:16 GMT
#1528
On January 14 2011 22:08 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2011 21:51 dukethegold wrote:
Lol, if Calm expanded after that hydra bust, he would have won the series. He was on 4 base v.s. Fantasy's 2 base. Fantasy was in no position to push. Calm could have double expanded and get away with it. Dunno about the queens lol. That was a massive investment in gas.

Is it only I who thought that Calm was in a very bad spot once he had lost that big attack? Fanta had already killed a couple of drones and Calms third was a mineral only.

At that point he aleady had his 4th (with gas) up, didn't he? And you can't just look at that; he had a huge window where he could've done anything he wanted to. Fantasy had way to few tanks to be aggresive and push (Calm had a decent amount of Hydras left, just not many enough to go in for an attack), so Calm could've easily droned up and expanded while Fantasy was stuck on his 2 bases. Instead he sat on the bases he had and threw away all his money on queens. A horrible decision and a perfect way to throw away the game.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
January 14 2011 13:20 GMT
#1529
On January 14 2011 22:16 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2011 22:08 Elroi wrote:
On January 14 2011 21:51 dukethegold wrote:
Lol, if Calm expanded after that hydra bust, he would have won the series. He was on 4 base v.s. Fantasy's 2 base. Fantasy was in no position to push. Calm could have double expanded and get away with it. Dunno about the queens lol. That was a massive investment in gas.

Is it only I who thought that Calm was in a very bad spot once he had lost that big attack? Fanta had already killed a couple of drones and Calms third was a mineral only.

At that point he aleady had his 4th (with gas) up, didn't he? And you can't just look at that; he had a huge window where he could've done anything he wanted to. Fantasy had way to few tanks to be aggresive and push (Calm had a decent amount of Hydras left, just not many enough to go in for an attack), so Calm could've easily droned up and expanded while Fantasy was stuck on his 2 bases. Instead he sat on the bases he had and threw away all his money on queens. A horrible decision and a perfect way to throw away the game.
Not every zerg in the world can have his Jaedong moment , you know. ~_~
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
January 14 2011 13:21 GMT
#1530
Oh goody. Looks like I have quite a series to watch.
At least we know that the rivalry isn't over. After all, this went 3-2.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
GoodRamen
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States713 Posts
January 14 2011 13:23 GMT
#1531
On January 14 2011 22:21 Lightwip wrote:
Oh goody. Looks like I have quite a series to watch.
At least we know that the rivalry isn't over. After all, this went 3-2.


after you watch it i would love to know your reaction lol
#1 Fantasy Fan!!!!
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 14 2011 13:24 GMT
#1532
On January 14 2011 22:20 mnesthes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2011 22:16 Holgerius wrote:
On January 14 2011 22:08 Elroi wrote:
On January 14 2011 21:51 dukethegold wrote:
Lol, if Calm expanded after that hydra bust, he would have won the series. He was on 4 base v.s. Fantasy's 2 base. Fantasy was in no position to push. Calm could have double expanded and get away with it. Dunno about the queens lol. That was a massive investment in gas.

Is it only I who thought that Calm was in a very bad spot once he had lost that big attack? Fanta had already killed a couple of drones and Calms third was a mineral only.

At that point he aleady had his 4th (with gas) up, didn't he? And you can't just look at that; he had a huge window where he could've done anything he wanted to. Fantasy had way to few tanks to be aggresive and push (Calm had a decent amount of Hydras left, just not many enough to go in for an attack), so Calm could've easily droned up and expanded while Fantasy was stuck on his 2 bases. Instead he sat on the bases he had and threw away all his money on queens. A horrible decision and a perfect way to throw away the game.
Not every zerg in the world can have his Jaedong moment , you know. ~_~

It's very basic strategy. You really do not have to be JD to play solid SC.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-14 13:27:53
January 14 2011 13:26 GMT
#1533
Great. Now Fantasy just needs his silver mouse and he can officially replace Stork as the true heir to the silver king.

On January 14 2011 22:07 kamikami wrote:
Why are people surprised about 4 base Zerg lost to 2 base Terran ?

Terran 2 base = Protoss 3 base
Protoss 3 base = Zerg 4 base

=> Terran 2 base = Zerg 4 base

Do maths demonstrate that 2 base Terran is not at a disadvantage vs Zerg 4 base.


*Sighs* Base count is not the only thing that matters you know.

Specifically, with zerg matchups, drone count, hatchery count, and gas count are all important to get the total understanding of the zerg status.

Calm's first attack on Fantasy was semi-all-inish. His economy was barely capable of supporting his hatches, and he never tried to make more drones to have extra money for expanding.
Meh
GoodRamen
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States713 Posts
January 14 2011 13:30 GMT
#1534
On January 14 2011 22:26 baubo wrote:
Great. Now Fantasy just needs his silver mouse and he can officially replace Stork as the true heir to the silver king.

Show nested quote +
On January 14 2011 22:07 kamikami wrote:
Why are people surprised about 4 base Zerg lost to 2 base Terran ?

Terran 2 base = Protoss 3 base
Protoss 3 base = Zerg 4 base

=> Terran 2 base = Zerg 4 base

Do maths demonstrate that 2 base Terran is not at a disadvantage vs Zerg 4 base.


*Sighs* Base count is not the only thing that matters you know.

Specifically, with zerg matchups, drone count, hatchery count, and gas count are all important to get the total understanding of the zerg status.

Calm's first attack on Fantasy was semi-all-inish. His economy was barely capable of supporting his hatches, and he never tried to make more drones to have extra money for expanding.


plus the fact that fantasy went mech over bio
#1 Fantasy Fan!!!!
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13092 Posts
January 14 2011 13:34 GMT
#1535
I think Calm should change his nick from Brain to Ballsy Zerg. He dont even deserve B from Brain ...
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
January 14 2011 13:35 GMT
#1536
On January 14 2011 22:30 jaiBing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2011 22:26 baubo wrote:
Great. Now Fantasy just needs his silver mouse and he can officially replace Stork as the true heir to the silver king.

On January 14 2011 22:07 kamikami wrote:
Why are people surprised about 4 base Zerg lost to 2 base Terran ?

Terran 2 base = Protoss 3 base
Protoss 3 base = Zerg 4 base

=> Terran 2 base = Zerg 4 base

Do maths demonstrate that 2 base Terran is not at a disadvantage vs Zerg 4 base.


*Sighs* Base count is not the only thing that matters you know.

Specifically, with zerg matchups, drone count, hatchery count, and gas count are all important to get the total understanding of the zerg status.

Calm's first attack on Fantasy was semi-all-inish. His economy was barely capable of supporting his hatches, and he never tried to make more drones to have extra money for expanding.


plus the fact that fantasy went mech over bio


I'd say that if all his bases were fully saturated, Calm could likely limit Fantasy to his small part of the map(3-4 bases) while expanding. But fantasy's harass was pretty good overall to limit Calm's economy, especially his delay of expansions with vultures.

Really though, I though Calm really should've done more harass with his mutas in the mid-game. Fantasy's patented Bin-Laden-esque vultures in the game really got him the time needed for his mech to roll.
Meh
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
January 14 2011 14:06 GMT
#1537
On January 14 2011 21:38 samachking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2011 21:37 d_so wrote:
On January 14 2011 21:33 samachking wrote:
On January 14 2011 21:32 Apex wrote:
I was wondering...those two queens that died when Calm was trying to get off a parasite, would they have helped out in any way? It'd be two less tanks for those hydras...Maybe I don't know.


They'd allow calm to clone micro his broodlings in the huge engagement. Calm couldve won if he pulled the group of hydras in the 1 main.


nah the bigger thing was sending those two queens showed calm's hand and let fantasy mentally prepare for the incoming queens


He already scanned a queen or 2 before calm showed them.


i think those queens that had been scanned were the ones running down to parasite
manner
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3339 Posts
January 14 2011 14:06 GMT
#1538
YEAH!!!!!! Fantasy finally can get a gold!!!!!
If Stork wins, send the person who first sent you to the Kong line back!!!
If the other zerg (haha so sorry but i can't think off the top of my head) wins, well then pass on your Kong-ness to him!!!!\
FANTA FOR GOLD!!!!!!!!
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
GoodRamen
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States713 Posts
January 14 2011 14:13 GMT
#1539
On January 14 2011 23:06 Bisu-Fan wrote:
YEAH!!!!!! Fantasy finally can get a gold!!!!!
If Stork wins, send the person who first sent you to the Kong line back!!!
If the other zerg (haha so sorry but i can't think off the top of my head) wins, well then pass on your Kong-ness to him!!!!\
FANTA FOR GOLD!!!!!!!!


ah...i see your #1 Bisu fan
#1 Fantasy Fan!!!!
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9056 Posts
January 14 2011 14:20 GMT
#1540
Fantasy vs Stork would be epic AND dramatic. Fantasy vs Modesty probably won't be bad too.
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