EPT[OSL] Semi-Final A - Page 77
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ssregi-
Korea (South)146 Posts
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Reggiegigas
234 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:40 Holgerius wrote: Why didn't Calm just mass expo and drone up after he did the Hydra attack that put Fantasy on 2 base with like 2 tanks left? Fantasy was not in a position to do anything after that. Instead he massed queens. Brain Zerg!!!!! If it had worked, you'd be cheering it as a great strategy... Fantasy just played well is all. Except for the many idle SCVs... That's an eyesore... | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
Terran 2 base = Protoss 3 base Protoss 3 base = Zerg 4 base => Terran 2 base = Zerg 4 base Do maths demonstrate that 2 base Terran is not at a disadvantage vs Zerg 4 base. | ||
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Hazard
Norway594 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:59 dukethegold wrote: Are you honestly using a TvP to analyze a TvZ? 1-2 base against 5 base opponent? Well it's not an analyze but just a thought that Terrans can turtle like no other in SC. Besides Calm played like he was facing Protoss with all those hydras. So in a mind-twisted way it was a TvP  | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:51 dukethegold wrote: Lol, if Calm expanded after that hydra bust, he would have won the series. He was on 4 base v.s. Fantasy's 2 base. Fantasy was in no position to push. Calm could have double expanded and get away with it. Dunno about the queens lol. That was a massive investment in gas. Is it only I who thought that Calm was in a very bad spot once he had lost that big attack? Fanta had already killed a couple of drones and Calms third was a mineral only. | ||
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GoodRamen
United States713 Posts
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mnesthes
5433 Posts
On January 14 2011 22:07 kamikami wrote: Honestly do you even watch Starcraft? or TvZ for that matter? You obviously can't compare them like that. I'm not even trying to convince you that 4 base Zerg > 2 base Terran, since the comparison is just as tarded as concluding that Effort can beat Jaedong in ZvZ based on Effort > Flash in the OSL and Flash > Jaedong in the OSL. I'm sorry I can't think of a better example right now but I guess it can somewhat serve as an example of what I am trying to say here.Why are people surprised about 4 base Zerg lost to 2 base Terran ? Terran 2 base = Protoss 3 base Protoss 3 base = Zerg 4 base => Terran 2 base = Zerg 4 base Do maths demonstrate that 2 base Terran is not at a disadvantage vs Zerg 4 base. And post a game where a Terran stays on 2 bases for the whole game and beats a 4 base (fully-saturated) Zerg. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On January 14 2011 22:08 Elroi wrote: Is it only I who thought that Calm was in a very bad spot once he had lost that big attack? Fanta had already killed a couple of drones and Calms third was a mineral only. At that point he aleady had his 4th (with gas) up, didn't he? And you can't just look at that; he had a huge window where he could've done anything he wanted to. Fantasy had way to few tanks to be aggresive and push (Calm had a decent amount of Hydras left, just not many enough to go in for an attack), so Calm could've easily droned up and expanded while Fantasy was stuck on his 2 bases. Instead he sat on the bases he had and threw away all his money on queens. A horrible decision and a perfect way to throw away the game. | ||
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mnesthes
5433 Posts
On January 14 2011 22:16 Holgerius wrote: Not every zerg in the world can have his Jaedong moment , you know. ~_~At that point he aleady had his 4th (with gas) up, didn't he? And you can't just look at that; he had a huge window where he could've done anything he wanted to. Fantasy had way to few tanks to be aggresive and push (Calm had a decent amount of Hydras left, just not many enough to go in for an attack), so Calm could've easily droned up and expanded while Fantasy was stuck on his 2 bases. Instead he sat on the bases he had and threw away all his money on queens. A horrible decision and a perfect way to throw away the game. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
At least we know that the rivalry isn't over. After all, this went 3-2. | ||
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GoodRamen
United States713 Posts
On January 14 2011 22:21 Lightwip wrote: Oh goody. Looks like I have quite a series to watch. At least we know that the rivalry isn't over. After all, this went 3-2. after you watch it i would love to know your reaction lol | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On January 14 2011 22:20 mnesthes wrote: Not every zerg in the world can have his Jaedong moment , you know. ~_~ It's very basic strategy. You really do not have to be JD to play solid SC. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On January 14 2011 22:07 kamikami wrote: Why are people surprised about 4 base Zerg lost to 2 base Terran ? Terran 2 base = Protoss 3 base Protoss 3 base = Zerg 4 base => Terran 2 base = Zerg 4 base Do maths demonstrate that 2 base Terran is not at a disadvantage vs Zerg 4 base. *Sighs* Base count is not the only thing that matters you know. Specifically, with zerg matchups, drone count, hatchery count, and gas count are all important to get the total understanding of the zerg status. Calm's first attack on Fantasy was semi-all-inish. His economy was barely capable of supporting his hatches, and he never tried to make more drones to have extra money for expanding. | ||
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GoodRamen
United States713 Posts
On January 14 2011 22:26 baubo wrote: Great. Now Fantasy just needs his silver mouse and he can officially replace Stork as the true heir to the silver king. *Sighs* Base count is not the only thing that matters you know. Specifically, with zerg matchups, drone count, hatchery count, and gas count are all important to get the total understanding of the zerg status. Calm's first attack on Fantasy was semi-all-inish. His economy was barely capable of supporting his hatches, and he never tried to make more drones to have extra money for expanding. plus the fact that fantasy went mech over bio | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13085 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On January 14 2011 22:30 jaiBing wrote: plus the fact that fantasy went mech over bio I'd say that if all his bases were fully saturated, Calm could likely limit Fantasy to his small part of the map(3-4 bases) while expanding. But fantasy's harass was pretty good overall to limit Calm's economy, especially his delay of expansions with vultures. Really though, I though Calm really should've done more harass with his mutas in the mid-game. Fantasy's patented Bin-Laden-esque vultures in the game really got him the time needed for his mech to roll. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On January 14 2011 21:38 samachking wrote: He already scanned a queen or 2 before calm showed them. i think those queens that had been scanned were the ones running down to parasite | ||
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3339 Posts
If Stork wins, send the person who first sent you to the Kong line back!!! If the other zerg (haha so sorry but i can't think off the top of my head) wins, well then pass on your Kong-ness to him!!!!\ FANTA FOR GOLD!!!!!!!! | ||
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GoodRamen
United States713 Posts
On January 14 2011 23:06 Bisu-Fan wrote: YEAH!!!!!! Fantasy finally can get a gold!!!!! If Stork wins, send the person who first sent you to the Kong line back!!! If the other zerg (haha so sorry but i can't think off the top of my head) wins, well then pass on your Kong-ness to him!!!!\ FANTA FOR GOLD!!!!!!!! ah...i see your #1 Bisu fan | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9053 Posts
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