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_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 05 2010 17:08 GMT
#641
Lightwip, why? The race may just not suit the player and he might find it out. I'm sure that all these progamers can play other races at least at A- level.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
December 05 2010 17:23 GMT
#642
On December 06 2010 02:08 _Quasar_ wrote:
Lightwip, why? The race may just not suit the player and he might find it out. I'm sure that all these progamers can play other races at least at A- level.


A- at pro-gamer level will get you stomped
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 05 2010 17:27 GMT
#643
I know =)) But you can take a break and train to reach higher level. Action, with all respect to him, isn't a vital player for KT and could afford doing this. =)
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 05 2010 17:37 GMT
#644
Because the amount of time it would take to improve is too long. I'd say it takes a whole year.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 05 2010 18:24 GMT
#645
Watched Flash vs RorO. TBH i didn't see anytihng special EXCEPT of course marine vs lurker micro @ 12:50 (i saw sc.plu.cn VOD). That was really impressive. But he just played extra safe against a lower class player, and that player put too much pressure on Flash and spent money on it instead of getting tech and expansions. I think after Flash has turreted up he was ahead till the end of the game.
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Yggdrasil Leaf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
221 Posts
December 05 2010 18:41 GMT
#646
On December 06 2010 03:24 _Quasar_ wrote:
Watched Flash vs RorO. TBH i didn't see anytihng special EXCEPT of course marine vs lurker micro @ 12:50. That was really impressive. But he just played extra safe against a lower class player


?
"A person hears only what they understand" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
December 05 2010 19:00 GMT
#647
KTFlash

shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
December 05 2010 19:12 GMT
#648
:/
Last time I didn't bet on KT they win. This time I bet on KT they lose. I almost feel like I'm jinxing KT LOL.

Damn I thought their slump was over ><
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 05 2010 19:13 GMT
#649
Extra safe means he built a lot of turrets to completely negate any muta bust. He really played very very safe, and if RorO exploited it with taking expos earlier and defending them and getting swarm/consume - then it would be better for him. But Flash counted that he hasn't enough class to macro him out and he was right - instead RorO went for a semi all-in attack and lost.
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Yggdrasil Leaf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
221 Posts
December 05 2010 19:30 GMT
#650
On December 06 2010 04:13 _Quasar_ wrote:
Extra safe means he built a lot of turrets to completely negate any muta bust. He really played very very safe, and if RorO exploited it with taking expos earlier and defending them and getting swarm/consume - then it would be better for him. But Flash counted that he hasn't enough class to macro him out and he was right - instead RorO went for a semi all-in attack and lost.


What was he supposed to do? Die to Mutas? This is all nonsense and RorO was okay.
"A person hears only what they understand" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
gostunv
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan1178 Posts
December 05 2010 19:34 GMT
#651
On December 06 2010 04:13 _Quasar_ wrote:
Extra safe means he built a lot of turrets to completely negate any muta bust. He really played very very safe, and if RorO exploited it with taking expos earlier and defending them and getting swarm/consume - then it would be better for him. But Flash counted that he hasn't enough class to macro him out and he was right - instead RorO went for a semi all-in attack and lost.


its funny because in some other games recently, people WOULD actually expand and tech up after they contained Flash, but Flash just busts their anal cavaty open like Moses with his god-like macro.

also i think the child laborer will not actually tire out anymore.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
December 05 2010 19:41 GMT
#652
On December 06 2010 04:12 shannn wrote:
:/
Last time I didn't bet on KT they win. This time I bet on KT they lose. I almost feel like I'm jinxing KT LOL.

Damn I thought their slump was over ><

i dunno what happened
if this were the flash, violet, stats, forgg, action of last year, they would be stomping faces everywhere... wow
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_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 05 2010 19:43 GMT
#653
And what I said? I said RorO probably hadn't enough class to out-macro Flash and would inevitably lose bit by bit his initial advantage.

Only if you imagine another Flash but playing Zerg, then he would use this advantage to his profit =)))))
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
December 05 2010 21:04 GMT
#654
On December 06 2010 03:24 _Quasar_ wrote:
Watched Flash vs RorO. TBH i didn't see anytihng special EXCEPT of course marine vs lurker micro @ 12:50 (i saw sc.plu.cn VOD). That was really impressive. But he just played extra safe against a lower class player, and that player put too much pressure on Flash and spent money on it instead of getting tech and expansions. I think after Flash has turreted up he was ahead till the end of the game.


You're aware he bunker rushed?
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 05 2010 21:14 GMT
#655
Yes. But so what? =\ Zerg too pulled drones, etc... And not to forget, he made a sunk. Yep Flash got 5 workers off work (but zerg got more, although they were closer to return to work than Flash's workers). Flash wasn't THAT behind as one could imagine. And some time after that, he's gotten ahead because of his excellent macro.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
December 05 2010 22:28 GMT
#656
take away his stats against flash, jaedong and bisu and roro has a 55% winrate in all 3 matchups
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 05 2010 22:43 GMT
#657
That doesn't mean that Flash doesn't outclass him =/
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
December 06 2010 01:52 GMT
#658
On December 06 2010 04:41 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 04:12 shannn wrote:
:/
Last time I didn't bet on KT they win. This time I bet on KT they lose. I almost feel like I'm jinxing KT LOL.

Damn I thought their slump was over ><

i dunno what happened
if this were the flash, violet, stats, forgg, action of last year, they would be stomping faces everywhere... wow


I know right. Stats hasn't been terrible, and Flash is obviously still in god mode, but the others have been slumping hard. Action has been my biggest disappointment so far - he showed so much potential last season and he's been just terrible this one. It's so depressing seeing his face every time he loses.

Ah well, at least he's earning points for my anti team.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 04:45:21
December 06 2010 02:05 GMT
#659
On December 05 2010 13:26 Lightwip wrote:
Wow fuck my life. I thought he would finally lose.
Also, I don't see how Bisu fans are any more annoying than this, I think it's about the same, except maybe in quantity.


bisu and flash fanboys are equally annoying yes


On December 06 2010 07:43 _Quasar_ wrote:
That doesn't mean that Flash doesn't outclass him =/


difference between progamers is paper thin and yes this also applies to Flash, Roro is a very good zerg and you can't assume Flash auto-wins everytime it gets to late-game because that's blatantly incorrect.
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bluetrolls
Profile Joined October 2009
United States139 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 07:28:39
December 06 2010 07:28 GMT
#660
On December 06 2010 11:05 swanized wrote:
difference between progamers is paper thin and yes this also applies to Flash


Your statement applies to the pre-Flash state of the scene, where top 10 progamers have ~100 ELO spread between them. But it doesn't apply to Flash. He is quite ahead of the pack. Right now there exists a 230 ELO points differential between Flash and Roro (ELO number 10), which gives about 75% - 80% chances that Flash is going to win over Roro. (Is there a TeamLiquid feature to exactly compute the expected win chance for a given progamer pair?)
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