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_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 01 2010 15:28 GMT
#521
I think Killer has very much skill but he TOO unconcentrated which results in enormous amounts of FAIL. When he is concentrated he's above average.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
yoonyoon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1065 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 16:46:00
December 01 2010 15:58 GMT
#522
DOWNLOAD LINKS for today's games
FULL CREDITS TO esbat @ 동갤 <33333333

I'm not responsible for any bad stuff that goes into your computer from downloading this, but I always download from this guy <333 and I'm watching the second set, so it seems fine to me.

Oh, and I think you have to download a codec to watch this. I use GomPlayer =3
Don't ask me if it doesn't work; I'm useless with computers.

And some of the games are a little.. unstable? Like, the sound/video kind of pauses for like 0.01 seconds a lot in some of the games.

We are allowed to post download links.... right?
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
December 01 2010 17:23 GMT
#523
Zergseung OZ?

Good to see oz winning again, the first round was really painfull to watch. Now with Anytime (even tho he didn't win today) oz is/will be much stronger than round 1. I think Anytime is really important for team just for the mood and as a captain.

I'm really looking forward to the rest of this round now.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 01 2010 19:18 GMT
#524
I think Anytime will be regularly playing anyway, as he is clearly the best Protoss on the lineup. Experience > anything else, given the fact that none other of Oz P's is particularly good.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
December 01 2010 22:10 GMT
#525
More like Hwaseung Z. FTW
~~! youtube.com/xmungam1 !~~
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
December 01 2010 23:43 GMT
#526
Are you serious? What the hell was the Stars coach thinking? You claw your way back from 0-3 to bring it to ace and you send one of the worst players on your team against what is sure to be Jaedong?

God awful coaching, once again.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Flushot
Profile Joined August 2009
United States218 Posts
December 01 2010 23:49 GMT
#527
On December 01 2010 16:46 kuroshiroi wrote:Piano has won 2 out of the 3 TvZ this season, against Hyuk and action. If he had any ZvT confidence built up from that, it's gone for good. Then there's the fact that he has Zero and Soulkey to practice against and only practiced this map and JD still destroyed him.

I know he's a bad player but Stars clearly had some kind of snipe in mind here. But whatever.


I agree that Piano was probably prepping for that very moment and despite probably knowing the opponent and the map, he just choked under the pressure.

Nothing to me seems more daunting than being a sniper or training to snipe someone. Not only is it critical that you perform at that exact moment, success says you can only do this much. When I watch someone like Modesty play, it pains me to see him lose in a situation he supposed to be a specialist for.
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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
December 02 2010 01:12 GMT
#528
When does fast vessel ever work? Especially against a player like Jaedong who is experienced at splitting very quickly. Plus despite being cross position against a 3hatch before pool build it still was only just out in time for 1 irradiate. Also why show vultures as well, trying to force different hydra tech? Even if let's assume JD did go muta's, he would have just retreated and used as the usual stalling tactic for the huge distance between bases. But the sacrifice in getting the tech meant that pushing against a weakened muta force isn't going to work anyway? I really just don't understand this build.

Anyone got a vod where it worked?
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
December 02 2010 01:30 GMT
#529
On December 02 2010 10:12 infinity2k9 wrote:
When does fast vessel ever work? Especially against a player like Jaedong who is experienced at splitting very quickly. Plus despite being cross position against a 3hatch before pool build it still was only just out in time for 1 irradiate. Also why show vultures as well, trying to force different hydra tech? Even if let's assume JD did go muta's, he would have just retreated and used as the usual stalling tactic for the huge distance between bases. But the sacrifice in getting the tech meant that pushing against a weakened muta force isn't going to work anyway? I really just don't understand this build.

Anyone got a vod where it worked?

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/49164_HiyA_vs_ZerO

However, Piano didn't get the all important scouting wraith which I assume means that he didn't want to tip off JD into what he was doing and wanted him to think it was bio.

The speed vults were assuming that JD would have skimped on sunks at nat as no mnm had moved out yet and they can do ridiculous damage before mutas hatch. (see Action vs Classic on Grand Line for best example of this.

Piano just turned the game into a complete 50/50 as he assumed JD would go muta. (He didn't even have acad finished when lurkers were up in his nat and JD's +1 cara was just about finished which meant ez win)
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Fishmalk
Profile Joined November 2010
74 Posts
December 02 2010 04:25 GMT
#530
Turn went for a fast vessel during his vZ matches in round one, and it seemed to work pretty well despite his sloppy execution, but he wasn't playing against jaedong.
DJONES
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States218 Posts
December 02 2010 04:41 GMT
#531
I think we can sum up this thread pretty easily...

LEE JAE DONG!!!
facebook.com/DJONESisagod
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
December 02 2010 13:00 GMT
#532
wait, the ace match result and last 10 pages of this thread are all actually trolling, right? stars didn't seriously send out possibly their fourth best terran against jaedong, right? guys?
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Sicktanick
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden40 Posts
December 02 2010 16:56 GMT
#533
This is so bad for our stars !
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
December 02 2010 19:59 GMT
#534
OZ can still play a decent season. jd won't stop winning, (Z)Killer is about to get his shit together. (P)PerfectMan has started to (P)Win games. (lol) (T)HiyA will eventually stop slumping. and finally there are players like (P)sHy - it should be possible for OZ to make the playoffs.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
rigelq
Profile Joined May 2010
United States230 Posts
December 02 2010 21:49 GMT
#535
On December 01 2010 18:07 DJONES wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 17:12 vectorix108 wrote:
they may have just sent someone out there to take the loss




Brings me back to the good old days.

One of my favorite games of all time:


Holy $#!# this game is awesome! Thanks for pointing this one out!
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
December 03 2010 01:36 GMT
#536
On December 01 2010 23:45 _Quasar_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 22:18 Emperor_Earth wrote:
@ Quasar

That's the problem.

Lurkers are more a game decision/timing thing rather than a micro thing.

Mutas have better ROI at the highest levels of play.

But mutas get useless at certain stages of the game. Lurkers don't. When Z gets swarm, lurkers becme even stronger. And they can potentially do insane dps. And there "micro" is probably wrong word. It's more like "army positioning". With proper positioning lurkers can be too hard to pick out even with good micro.

Maybe 4 hatch 2 base lurkerling play (as Juni did yesterday) for standard? Gogogo Jaedong, I believe you can develop this into something tasty

Juni's build is never going to be standard because it was an all-in build. Jaedong's was really similar (although the den was late in order to fake mutas) right up until Juni built the fourth hatch in-base. The differences emerged then with Juni pumping all of his resources purely into lurkerling, making tons of lurks and not teching or anything. At this point Juni pretty much had to knock out Flash with that army at that timing or he would lose.

Jaedong took his third with his fourth hatch and didn't go into pure unit production and he didn't make as many lurks as Juni did at the lurker timing.
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