This is a matchup between #1 and #3, but it doesn’t quite feel like a match between the cream of the crop does it? on one hand, we have SKT. You know them, you love them, and their undefeated on the season. The positives are obvious. FBB are looking as good as they ever have. Fantasy started out on a bit of a slump, but he has pulled out of that unpleasantness with beautifully. Best and Bisu would both look absolutely dominant if it wasn’t for their respective individual league woes. Park remains as the best coach employed, and he is complemented by Oov and Doctor.K to make for one of the best coaching rosters in history. The most impressive thing about SKT (in my eyes anyway) is their unprecedented depth. SKT can legitimately start 11 different players, three terrans, four protosses, and four zergs. Sure, there are certain lineups that make more sence than others, but will anyone be surprised if we see a Ssak, or an s2? In an effort to feign impartialness, I have to talk about the weaknesses. Park likes to start inexperienced players. This strategy works great in the long term (see n.Die_soO) but it does lead to a few losses that could have been avoided. The second weakness would be that SKT is not the most consistent team in the league. Sure a perfect round, with an undefeated player looks consistent, but consistent players don’t look like they are the best player in the world and then drop a series to Shine. Fantasy has never been known as consistent, and BeSt’s performance is based on what race he is playing against more than almost anyone else (hmmm, maybe sKyHigh is a little more skewed.) SKT could drop a game if Park only starts a few veteran players, and those veterans don’t perform well. Before I talk about FOX, I am obligated to point out that SKT has an afro. Not just an afro, but an undefeated afro who plays with a unique style that is fun to watch. If Paralyze can continue like he is, he will very quickly become my favorite player. If you did not see his series vs Leta, do yourself a favor and go watch it. And on the other side, we have FOX. FOX is, for now, at the top of the .500 sea of mediocrity after dismantling Hite. FOX has a mixed bag of talents. There are the perfectly consistent and boring play styles of Mind and Pure, the “strategic” play of Shine, The aggressive and sometimes reckless play of Ty, the veteran play of Midas, and there is RorO (who I can’t seem to describe his play other than to say that he saw an anti-team kill his father when he was young, and vowed vengeance on every anti-team that ever existed.) FOX’s success is matchup based, which makes them scary. Despite the fact that FOX doesn’t stand a chance if we line up #1vs#1, #2vs#2 ect, They have a very good shot if they can line up multiple snipes. Too much text, time for predictions.
Set 1: By.Sun<Fortress> Mind No more central planes means that By.Sun needs to find a new home. Mind seems suited for a simple, old map. Sun has practiced too much PvP and it put down without too much of a fight Set 2: Fantasy<Benzene>ty Benzene is probably the most complicated map out there, so it seems like a good place for two guys who like to try out New strategies. It will be like every other TvT, except replace tank lines and starring contests with Valkyries vs wraith and vulture drops everywhere. Game of the night, and Fantasy’s harass pulls it out Set 3: n.Die_soO<Grand Line SE>RorO This is n.Die_soO’s map, and he is desirably good. n.Die_soO picks up an uninteresting win. Set 4: BeSt<Empire of the Sun> Midas No one likes this map. The fans find it not terribly interesting, and progamers don’t like that it seems to have a lot of upsets on it. I like BeSt for this map, with lots of resources and few chokes. Midas gets the start because no one else wants to be here. BeSt gets my vote vs any terran. Mayby not Flash in a Bo5, but certainly over Midas Set 5: Kwanro<Aztec>Pure Kwanro didn’t leave his old team to ride the bench. I haven’t seen to many games on Aztec, but short rush distance + mediocre protoss = Kwanroll Set 6: Bisu<Icarus>Shine Unneeded, but FOX got the snipe they were looking for. Set 7: Paralyze<Circuit Breaker>Ty What I want to see for an acematch.
SKT4>Fox1
lot more TLPD errors than I thought. I now am an anti ON fan
Unplayed sets will be given a fake matchup to avoid spoiling results Set 1: BeSt<Fortress> Pure Set 2: Bisu<Benzene> RorO Set 3: Paralyze<Grand Line SE> Midas Set 4: By.Sun<Empire of the Sun> Mind Set 5: Fantasy<Aztec>Ty Set 6: n.Die_soO<Icarus>Shine Set 7: Fantasy<Circuit Breaker>Ty
Timing push does too much damage and seals the game; some decent action after that though. The game just doesn't do it for me. Could be because I'm tired
Poll: Do you recomend game 2?
yes, but only because bisu was playing (24)
47%
yes (20)
39%
no (6)
12%
somewhere between yes and no (1)
2%
51 total votes
Your vote: Do you recomend game 2?
(Vote): yes (Vote): no (Vote): somewhere between yes and no (Vote): yes, but only because bisu was playing
Roro's power to destroy anti-teams, and Shine's Bisu-eating powers shall rise...but then that still leaves two players to take games from the other SKT players
Thanks for the thread Hacklebeast, and the stream Xsebt.
I agree that Coach Park's desire to grow depth in SKT often results in dropped sets, but ultimately it can only be a good thing as different players go through slumps. While it can be a little harder on the heart as a SKT fan, ultimately it's a master stroke from Coach Park.
As a Bisu fan I really don't want him to face Shine. Shine has a winning record against him for a reason. Call him Bisu's kryptonite, or whatever, the fact is that Shine's style works well against Bisu.
Anyway, looking forward to watching all of the SKT players this evening. You'd have to think that now would be the perfect time to try Paralyze ahead of Sun - Central Plains is no longer in the map pool, and Paralyze will be about as confident as he's ever going to be after his heroics in the OSL.
On November 29 2010 19:44 Zona wrote: holy crap how many times do they have to repeat the ad that PL is now 7:30? it's not like it generates any revenue...
well it's their channel and if no one's buying the slots... it's free i guess? lol
bisu moving out with goon/dt/zealot - dangerous as roro pumping units off 6 hatches? dt approaches the 3rd again, lings try to surround but it gets away
bisu's sair count pretty high again though despite losing 3
he didn't panic and unnecessarily rush back to save his own base, knowing that he could deal more damage to Roro than Roro could deal to him (unlike some players who abort an attack on an opponent's defenseless bases to "save" their own bases, resulting in them taking damage anyways while dealing none)
On November 29 2010 20:13 Zona wrote: I'm really liking this decision-making from Bisu
he didn't panic and unnecessarily rush back to save his own base, knowing that he could deal more damage to Roro than Roro could deal to him (unlike some players who abort an attack on an opponent's defenseless bases to "save" their own bases, resulting in them taking damage anyways while dealing none)
exactly. roro's third is far more critical than bisu's third
On November 29 2010 20:13 Zona wrote: I'm really liking this decision-making from Bisu
he didn't panic and unnecessarily rush back to save his own base, knowing that he could deal more damage to Roro than Roro could deal to him (unlike some players who abort an attack on an opponent's defenseless bases to "save" their own bases, resulting in them taking damage anyways while dealing none)
Bisu is cold blooded as ever. And 11-0 in SPL this season if I'm correct.
On November 29 2010 20:16 purpose wrote: To bad Bisu did not deliver like this in the bo3 vs shine. Id rather have him fail in SPL than in OSL and MSL.
Shine has Bisu's number, I guess...
Plus in PL Bisu has been sent on a variety of maps so his opponents can't prepare specifically for him.
On November 29 2010 20:16 purpose wrote: To bad Bisu did not deliver like this in the bo3 vs shine. Id rather have him fail in SPL than in OSL and MSL.
Shine has Bisu's number, I guess...
Plus in PL Bisu has been sent on a variety of maps so his opponents can't prepare specifically for him.
True. Shine is also one of those players with 4 match ups. vZ vP vT and vBisu(OSL only). His vBisu being his specialty.
Midas adding a 4th CC in his main, now on double armory, has facility up moving out with about 8 tanks and 4 rines - observer sees it but MIdas only moving to control his megachoke to take 1?
there's like 3/4 groups of zealots in the center of the map
midas's army now sieging north of 7 - paralyze needs to break this attack or he'll lose - midas sieging on the ramp - damn despite what I thought was excellent army positioning by midas - his entire army evaporates to paralyze's attack
nex at 4 finished off, vultures now working on 4.5
paralyze pretty poor now - he's attacking towards midas's vulture heavy army midmap a storm on some units! ah, paralyze loses a lot of units, now in tough shape
obs sees midas's 12 cc starting but he can't do anything about it for now with his army mostly gone?
midas scans 9 - no exop there - paralyze still micro'ing a shuttle trying to find a place to zealot bomb his army is pretty small now but midas's is only marginally larger
but midas has 12 up a running, midas's advantage will steadily increase if paralyze can't do anything
On November 29 2010 20:50 Zona wrote: Damn when midas smiled like that he looked like (the older) Ty so much!
hmm, those 6 or so goons sent to attack midas's 4th - focused on the buildings and not scvs, got trapped and destroyed
It looked like Paralyze could've ended the game right there, since from what I saw Midas only had like 3 tanks and a handful of vultures left, but his decision with his dragoons after that epic break was.. bad
Absolutely terrible defense of lower right. He shouldn't have taken in in the first place. Should have taken top left. Why exactly is this game so highly recommended?
On November 29 2010 20:53 Ecrilon wrote: Absolutely terrible defense of lower right. He shouldn't have taken in in the first place. Should have taken top left. Why exactly is this game so highly recommended?
On November 29 2010 20:53 Ecrilon wrote: Absolutely terrible defense of lower right. He shouldn't have taken in in the first place. Should have taken top left. Why exactly is this game so highly recommended?
the first break was awesome? also so many clutch emps from midas.. that game was frickin' awesome!
Midas is already 23 years old. he's doing really well for his age. Sometimes I forget he's that old but he's certainly not the regular ro4/PL machine as he once was.
First break honestly wasn't much of a break at all. It only looked impressive. Exchange was approximately even. Midas had more tanks behind and Paralyze's zealot forces were entirely exhausted. There was no way that Paralyze could have done much damage at all before the 4 stasised tanks returned to blow up every single unit trapped at the expansion.
Well if you think about it, who else does SKT have besides protoss players? Pretty much Fantasy and Kwanro and Kwanro isn't really that good unless you send him against a good player where he generally has a coin flip chance of making a successful all in.
On November 29 2010 20:57 Womwomwom wrote: Well if you think about it, who else does SKT have besides protoss players? Pretty much Fantasy and Kwanro and Kwanro isn't really that good unless you send him against a good player where he generally has a coin flip chance of making a successful all in.
On November 29 2010 20:57 Womwomwom wrote: Well if you think about it, who else does SKT have besides protoss players? Pretty much Fantasy and Kwanro and Kwanro isn't really that good unless you send him against a good player where he generally has a coin flip chance of making a successful all in.
While s2 isn't the best option ever, I think SoO has shown he's worthy of your acknowledgement.
I don't think this recall will do much damage - trapped at the south of mind's base - starport picked off - tanks responding quickly vulture/mine kill a lot of goons
recall almost eliminated - but forces sent to mind's 3rd to attack!
mind responding with a few zealots at his 3rd - not enough he lifts his cc to run 2 tanks sent needlessly into the 3rd get picked off but some tanks siege north of the 3rd and sun backs off
Not that my heart could handle it, but I almost want it to go to Ace to see what Coach Park comes up with.
BeSt is a no go, and I reckon Wemade would expect Bisu and would opt for one of Pure, Shine or Baby. That's why I'd go for Fantasy - matches up well against all 3.
soo's lings massing outside shine's nat - shine giving ground, one of his his lings get surrounded he rushes out again - soo getting a few more hits in
landed rax of baby's produces a rine - baby trying to break up fantasy's ramp with vultures - baby loses all his vultures and rines - whops that didn't work did net a few scv kills though
4 vultures dropepd in baby's main as the crowd cheers quite a few kills baby responds with a few vultures of his own but the carnage continues still one vulture hidden in the corner baby doesn't seem to be aware
baby about to reveal his 5 wraiths? fantasy also has about 5
now baby's vultures come to raid the 3rd under construction - tank destroyed, scv constructing destroyed and another 2 transferred scvs destroyed that could have been way more effective...
On November 29 2010 22:16 GTR wrote: if skt goes 54-0 this season i will actually eat my underwear (yes i've said it before but this is a miraculous feat).
On November 29 2010 22:16 GTR wrote: if skt goes 54-0 this season i will actually eat my underwear (yes i've said it before but this is a miraculous feat).
you always say that
i still remember something about khan, playoffs and eating something
On November 29 2010 22:16 GTR wrote: if skt goes 54-0 this season i will actually eat my underwear (yes i've said it before but this is a miraculous feat).
That's impossible, there's Winners League (2 rounds of it as well) so they'll lose to Flash.
That was such an awesome game. I love how he got the cloak to ensure the first hit on baby's wraiths, making his numbers just too much to handle. Good to see fantasy go 2-0, with bisu and fantasy on song, and the protoss line blooming its hard to think of who skt can lose to
On November 29 2010 22:16 GTR wrote: if skt goes 54-0 this season i will actually eat my underwear (yes i've said it before but this is a miraculous feat).
quoted to guard against edits even though you probably can edit my posts...
On November 29 2010 22:16 GTR wrote: if skt goes 54-0 this season i will actually eat my underwear (yes i've said it before but this is a miraculous feat).
That's impossible, there's Winners League (2 rounds of it as well) so they'll lose to Flash.
I think Flash alone will not handle SKT, its a KT fan dream
On November 29 2010 22:16 GTR wrote: if skt goes 54-0 this season i will actually eat my underwear (yes i've said it before but this is a miraculous feat).
That's impossible, there's Winners League (2 rounds of it as well) so they'll lose to Flash.
On November 29 2010 22:16 GTR wrote: if skt goes 54-0 this season i will actually eat my underwear (yes i've said it before but this is a miraculous feat).
On November 29 2010 22:16 GTR wrote: if skt goes 54-0 this season i will actually eat my underwear (yes i've said it before but this is a miraculous feat).
That's impossible, there's Winners League (2 rounds of it as well) so they'll lose to Flash.
I think Flash alone will not handle SKT, its a KT fan dream
yeah if KT's supporting cast continues to suck the way the are doing now, 4 chances to pick off Flash should be more than enough, especially with the coaching staff that SKT has
On November 29 2010 22:20 Senx wrote: So refreshing to watch BW after seeing all these gimmicky GSL games, in BW the better player usually wins the games, which is rare to see in SC2.
On November 29 2010 22:20 Senx wrote: So refreshing to watch BW after seeing all these gimmicky GSL games, in BW the better player usually wins the games, which is rare to see in SC2.
why watch it then? O_o
Hope is the last thing that leaves us. The hope for good games.
On November 29 2010 22:20 Senx wrote: So refreshing to watch BW after seeing all these gimmicky GSL games, in BW the better player usually wins the games, which is rare to see in SC2.
are you sure?
reading the korean battle reports there seems to be a ton of luck involved (bisu getting lucky attacking roro's nat, baby missing fantasy's proxy barracks) with tonight's matches and i only read two BRs lol
That was just solid by Fantasy - minor touches like holding back 1 vulture and the cloak advantage so that Fanta's wraiths would get first strike and come out far ahead against about equal wraith numbers. Kinda wish Baby didn't have to go 0-2.
On November 29 2010 22:16 GTR wrote: if skt goes 54-0 this season i will actually eat my underwear (yes i've said it before but this is a miraculous feat).
That's impossible, there's Winners League (2 rounds of it as well) so they'll lose to Flash.
I think Flash alone will not handle SKT, its a KT fan dream
Flash all-killed SKT last season of Winners League and now he's even better. He'll do it again.
On November 29 2010 22:20 Senx wrote: So refreshing to watch BW after seeing all these gimmicky GSL games, in BW the better player usually wins the games, which is rare to see in SC2.
are you sure?
reading the korean battle reports there seems to be a ton of luck involved (bisu getting lucky attacking roro's nat, baby missing fantasy's proxy barracks) with tonight's matches and i only read two BRs lol
Hm? Bisu didn't get lucky at all, he just played better in that game.
On November 29 2010 22:20 Senx wrote: So refreshing to watch BW after seeing all these gimmicky GSL games, in BW the better player usually wins the games, which is rare to see in SC2.
why watch it then? O_o
Hope is the last thing that leaves us. The hope for good games.
I hope expansion will be able to somehow solve this side effect of a user-friendly(for lazy gamers) rts image sc2 has now. Only strong competition and game difficulty can elevate the interest of games like sc and cs to such a level of enjoyment. Thats the problem with new sc i guess
On November 29 2010 22:16 GTR wrote: if skt goes 54-0 this season i will actually eat my underwear (yes i've said it before but this is a miraculous feat).
That's impossible, there's Winners League (2 rounds of it as well) so they'll lose to Flash.
I think Flash alone will not handle SKT, its a KT fan dream
Flash all-killed SKT last season of Winners League and now he's even better. He'll do it again.
Best beat Flash this season of Proleague. He'll do it again? I mean it's just not a really valid way to demonstrate your point.
Good lord you flash fans are relentless. Not exactly sure what is accomplished by going through a thread and promoting your favorite player regarding a proleague round that is still far away. We all know Flash is godlike and he will own it up in WL...no need to mention it everywhere you know?
On November 29 2010 22:20 Senx wrote: So refreshing to watch BW after seeing all these gimmicky GSL games, in BW the better player usually wins the games, which is rare to see in SC2.
are you sure?
reading the korean battle reports there seems to be a ton of luck involved (bisu getting lucky attacking roro's nat, baby missing fantasy's proxy barracks) with tonight's matches and i only read two BRs lol
On November 29 2010 22:16 GTR wrote: if skt goes 54-0 this season i will actually eat my underwear (yes i've said it before but this is a miraculous feat).
That's impossible, there's Winners League (2 rounds of it as well) so they'll lose to Flash.
I think Flash alone will not handle SKT, its a KT fan dream
Flash all-killed SKT last season of Winners League and now he's even better. He'll do it again.
maybe, we shall see, I'll be looking forward to great matches anyway
Of all the times for my ISP to do maintenance. Literally at the beginning of the Ace match!
Ah well, guess I can look forward to the Moktira upload. Based on this thread it sounded like a pretty intense, albeit quick, game.
I have to give Fantasy a lot of credit for stepping up after his comments recently about being disappointed he wasn't the obvious Ace choice. Personally I think it's healthy for SKT to have the 3 options for the Ace match, but I probably have the most confidence in Fantasy atm when it comes to the crunch.
Looking forward to the winners' interviews. Shame we probably won't get to read one from the Coach, as I'd be interested to hear his rationale behind playing so many Toss'. I think it's safe to say that Bisu will be asked about the OSL exit.
On November 29 2010 22:20 Senx wrote: So refreshing to watch BW after seeing all these gimmicky GSL games, in BW the better player usually wins the games, which is rare to see in SC2.
are you sure?
reading the korean battle reports there seems to be a ton of luck involved (bisu getting lucky attacking roro's nat, baby missing fantasy's proxy barracks) with tonight's matches and i only read two BRs lol
Hm? Bisu didn't get lucky at all, he just played better in that game.
The Korean BRs seem to imply that Roro had an early advantage (despite DT harass) after taking down Corsairs and HTs, and while Roro's lurkers were in the center, Bisu snuck in and took down one of the expos (and without lurkers to shrivel down Bisu's army, couldn't defend against the protoss ball)
Sounds like one of the players was just off position to me :O But i'll have to watch the games later to properly see ^^;
On November 29 2010 22:20 Senx wrote: So refreshing to watch BW after seeing all these gimmicky GSL games, in BW the better player usually wins the games, which is rare to see in SC2.
are you sure?
reading the korean battle reports there seems to be a ton of luck involved (bisu getting lucky attacking roro's nat, baby missing fantasy's proxy barracks) with tonight's matches and i only read two BRs lol
from my POV I don't think Bisu's attack on roro's nat was luck
Baby definitely lost the build order mindgames with 13cc vs center rax before depot, though
On November 29 2010 22:37 Milkis wrote: The Korean BRs seem to imply that Roro had an early advantage (despite DT harass) after taking down Corsairs and HTs, and while Roro's lurkers were in the center, Bisu snuck in and took down one of the expos (and without lurkers to shrivel down Bisu's army, couldn't defend against the protoss ball)
Roro probably had a slight advantage but Bisu got a few drones too and Roro lost quite some mining time before getting his 4th, so it looked almost even.
Roro might have been surprised by one of Bisu's attacks on top left, and he did look so, but that's not being unlucky, that's having bad scouting.
Sounds like one of the players was just off position to me :O But i'll have to watch the games later to properly see ^^;
Roro was indeed. But that has nothing to do with luck. Now Baby vs Fanta g1 might be another story. Both went for gamble builds in a mirror matchup so obviously it was quite luck-involved. Well at least the bunker war made it hilarious in a good way.
On November 29 2010 22:16 GTR wrote: if skt goes 54-0 this season i will actually eat my underwear (yes i've said it before but this is a miraculous feat).
That's impossible, there's Winners League (2 rounds of it as well) so they'll lose to Flash.
I think Flash alone will not handle SKT, its a KT fan dream
Flash all-killed SKT last season of Winners League and now he's even better. He'll do it again.
Best beat Flash this season of Proleague. He'll do it again? I mean it's just not a really valid way to demonstrate your point.
The guy said it's a KT fans dream, ok? It happened before, Flash has a roughly 80% winrate vs players currently on SKT since his reign as bonjwa began (30+ games), he's now better than ever and will be given 2 chances in WL. I definitely think he'll pull it off. ^__^
My hate for SKT is even greater now because they are doing great this season . I wait for the day when they will get owned hard. The only thing I like about SKT is Afrotoss and he failed today
On November 29 2010 22:44 PoP wrote: Roro was indeed. But that has nothing to do with luck. Now Baby vs Fanta g1 might be another story. Both went for gamble builds in a mirror matchup so obviously it was quite luck-involved. Well at least the bunker war made it hilarious in a good way.
Yep scouting the opponent army is nothing like a BO loss behind wall in. Or that sort of rock paper scissors stuff we have in early game TvT. If not late game PvP would be only luck involved I guess, as army positionning is preponderant. Sad that Fox could not pull it off, there pretty close !
On November 29 2010 22:16 GTR wrote: if skt goes 54-0 this season i will actually eat my underwear (yes i've said it before but this is a miraculous feat).
That's impossible, there's Winners League (2 rounds of it as well) so they'll lose to Flash.
I think Flash alone will not handle SKT, its a KT fan dream
Flash all-killed SKT last season of Winners League and now he's even better. He'll do it again.
Silly KTFlash fanboys .. with you guys sucking like hell SKT will just make 2 snipers(Best/Hyuk3000) for Flash and Sun or Fanta or Afro would take the rest.
On November 29 2010 22:16 GTR wrote: if skt goes 54-0 this season i will actually eat my underwear (yes i've said it before but this is a miraculous feat).
That's impossible, there's Winners League (2 rounds of it as well) so they'll lose to Flash.
I think Flash alone will not handle SKT, its a KT fan dream
Flash all-killed SKT last season of Winners League and now he's even better. He'll do it again.
Best beat Flash this season of Proleague. He'll do it again? I mean it's just not a really valid way to demonstrate your point.
Best beat Flash in R1 last season of Proleague as well. Then Flash destroyed SKT in WL, Best included. The point is perfectly demonstrated.
On November 29 2010 22:16 GTR wrote: if skt goes 54-0 this season i will actually eat my underwear (yes i've said it before but this is a miraculous feat).
That's impossible, there's Winners League (2 rounds of it as well) so they'll lose to Flash.
I think Flash alone will not handle SKT, its a KT fan dream
Flash all-killed SKT last season of Winners League and now he's even better. He'll do it again.
Silly KTFlash fanboys .. with you guys sucking like hell SKT will just make 2 snipers(Best/Hyuk3000) for Flash and Sun or Fanta or Afro would take the rest.
Silly you. KT might suck like hell overall, but Flash doesn't. Best will not stand a chance against a Flash who doesn't play as arrogantly as Flash did in their R1 game (and he won't). And Huyk beating Flash... LOLOLOLOLOL! XD You have to be kidding me! Flash is 13-1 vs SKT Zergs since he turned into God Young Ho, the one loss being a silly game against Kwanro in a Bo5 that Flash dominated. There is a small chance that Bisu/Best/Fantasy could take him down, but with the 2 chances I'd say it's reasonable to say that his chances are really good to repeat what he did last season.
On November 29 2010 22:16 GTR wrote: if skt goes 54-0 this season i will actually eat my underwear (yes i've said it before but this is a miraculous feat).
That's impossible, there's Winners League (2 rounds of it as well) so they'll lose to Flash.
I think Flash alone will not handle SKT, its a KT fan dream
Flash all-killed SKT last season of Winners League and now he's even better. He'll do it again.
Silly KTFlash fanboys .. with you guys sucking like hell SKT will just make 2 snipers(Best/Hyuk3000) for Flash and Sun or Fanta or Afro would take the rest.
Silly you. KT might suck like hell overall, but Flash doesn't. Best will not stand a chance against a Flash who doesn't play as arrogantly as Flash did in their R1 game (and he won't). And Huyk beating Flash... LOLOLOLOLOL! XD You have to be kidding me! Flash is 13-1 vs SKT Zergs since he turned into God Young Ho, the one loss being a silly game against Kwanro in a Bo5 that Flash dominated. There is a small chance that Bisu/Best/Fantasy could take him down, but with the 2 chances I'd say it's reasonable to say that his chances are really good to repeat what he did last season.
Wow, that last sentence was so poorly worded. XD
not to forget, if they manage to kill flash 2 times in winners league, they also have to kill jaedong 2 times and light!
With the way KT and Oz are playin' I doubt Flash/Jaedong could all kill couple teams in a row. I can imagine SKT and Bisu "gettin' lucky" in winners league already
There is a small chance that Bisu/Best/Fantasy could take him down, but with the 2 chances I'd say it's reasonable to say that his chances are really good to repeat what he did last season.
Wow, that last sentence was so poorly worded. XD
I would give 35% chance to Best to kill Flash, 20% to Fantasy, 20% to Kwanro and maybe 15% to Bisu, as i'm not confident about his vT. Your problem is that Bisu/Best/Fantasy are also capable of allkill the rest of KT, as Hyuk almoust done this with this (in)famous reverse all-kill last season. Ow, btw. ..who will guarantee you that KT will not be taken down by Entus?
And whats the problem with defeating Light? SKT protoss are capable of defeat him, moreover he's no longer undefeated foe for fantasy as well.
On November 30 2010 02:44 newvsoldschool wrote: shine continues to do well, but very disappointed at Mind and BaBy. when will they release their inner beasts again?
Mind has been missing his inner beast for a while now. It's actually depressing, really.
BaBy just hasn't seemed to ever get over those rainbow socks.
On November 29 2010 22:16 GTR wrote: if skt goes 54-0 this season i will actually eat my underwear (yes i've said it before but this is a miraculous feat).
That's impossible, there's Winners League (2 rounds of it as well) so they'll lose to Flash.
I think Flash alone will not handle SKT, its a KT fan dream
Flash all-killed SKT last season of Winners League and now he's even better. He'll do it again.
Silly KTFlash fanboys .. with you guys sucking like hell SKT will just make 2 snipers(Best/Hyuk3000) for Flash and Sun or Fanta or Afro would take the rest.
Silly you. KT might suck like hell overall, but Flash doesn't. Best will not stand a chance against a Flash who doesn't play as arrogantly as Flash did in their R1 game (and he won't). And Huyk beating Flash... LOLOLOLOLOL! XD You have to be kidding me! Flash is 13-1 vs SKT Zergs since he turned into God Young Ho, the one loss being a silly game against Kwanro in a Bo5 that Flash dominated. There is a small chance that Bisu/Best/Fantasy could take him down, but with the 2 chances I'd say it's reasonable to say that his chances are really good to repeat what he did last season.
Wow, that last sentence was so poorly worded. XD
not to forget, if they manage to kill flash 2 times in winners league, they also have to kill jaedong 2 times and light!
four.. there are 2 rounds of winners league this time around lol. Taking down Jaedong is a lot easier for SKT than taking than Flash though, and Light has little chance vs Fantasy or Best
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Fantasy started out on a bit of a slump, but he has pulled out of that unpleasantness with beautifully. Best and 
Bisu would both look absolutely dominant if it wasn’t for their respective individual league woes. Park remains as the best coach employed, and he is complemented by 
s2? In an effort to feign impartialness, I have to talk about the weaknesses. Park likes to start inexperienced players. This strategy works great in the long term (see ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/disciple/PLPO/POlin_copy.jpg)
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