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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 07 2010 19:35 GMT
#741
On November 08 2010 04:05 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 03:29 Xiphos wrote:
PvZ, 50%!!!! THIS IS THE FALL GUYS!


more like with a lack of good ZvPers...

I mean the only zergs I call good ZvPers are Zero, JD and Shine since Effort is gone now.

SuperArc's philosophy; no one is ever good at anything, there are just different levels of bad.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
November 07 2010 19:39 GMT
#742
On November 08 2010 04:35 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 04:05 SuperArc wrote:
On November 08 2010 03:29 Xiphos wrote:
PvZ, 50%!!!! THIS IS THE FALL GUYS!


more like with a lack of good ZvPers...

I mean the only zergs I call good ZvPers are Zero, JD and Shine since Effort is gone now.

SuperArc's philosophy; no one is ever good at anything, there are just different levels of bad.


How can you say that? Hell this time even stats back me up.
Go look up ZvP ELOs. You see Calm (horrible slump), July (gone), Effort (gone), Hyuk (horrible slump), Juni (wtf?) in the top10.

Who else apart from the names mentioned are good ZvPers?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
November 07 2010 19:40 GMT
#743
On November 08 2010 04:35 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 04:05 SuperArc wrote:
On November 08 2010 03:29 Xiphos wrote:
PvZ, 50%!!!! THIS IS THE FALL GUYS!


more like with a lack of good ZvPers...

I mean the only zergs I call good ZvPers are Zero, JD and Shine since Effort is gone now.

SuperArc's philosophy; no one is ever good at anything, there are just different levels of bad.

Except CJ and Jaedong.

I'll have to watch the game again, but really there wasn't much wrong with Bisu's play. The ling runby was a result of some major skimping.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 07 2010 19:45 GMT
#744
On November 08 2010 04:39 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 04:35 Holgerius wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:05 SuperArc wrote:
On November 08 2010 03:29 Xiphos wrote:
PvZ, 50%!!!! THIS IS THE FALL GUYS!


more like with a lack of good ZvPers...

I mean the only zergs I call good ZvPers are Zero, JD and Shine since Effort is gone now.

SuperArc's philosophy; no one is ever good at anything, there are just different levels of bad.


How can you say that? Hell this time even stats back me up.
Go look up ZvP ELOs. You see Calm (horrible slump), July (gone), Effort (gone), Hyuk (horrible slump), Juni (wtf?) in the top10.

Who else apart from the names mentioned are good ZvPers?

I say that because you use that way of thinking quite a lot.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
yanmaodao
Profile Joined February 2010
United States430 Posts
November 07 2010 19:49 GMT
#745
On November 08 2010 04:39 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 04:35 Holgerius wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:05 SuperArc wrote:
On November 08 2010 03:29 Xiphos wrote:
PvZ, 50%!!!! THIS IS THE FALL GUYS!


more like with a lack of good ZvPers...

I mean the only zergs I call good ZvPers are Zero, JD and Shine since Effort is gone now.

SuperArc's philosophy; no one is ever good at anything, there are just different levels of bad.


How can you say that? Hell this time even stats back me up.
Go look up ZvP ELOs. You see Calm (horrible slump), July (gone), Effort (gone), Hyuk (horrible slump), Juni (wtf?) in the top10.

Who else apart from the names mentioned are good ZvPers?


Shine does not have good ZvP. He's below 50% in the matchup with over 40 games played, which is really inexcusable for an A-team zerg. I'd take Calm over him. A slumping Calm is probably at least as consistent vP as an in-form Shine, and a resurgent Calm would be scary.


Hazard
Profile Joined September 2009
Norway594 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 21:45:57
November 07 2010 20:57 GMT
#746
Excuses, excuses...falling behind and winning - comeback. But it doesn't matter how (P)Bisu played as long as he won cuz winners just have to play a little better than losers. If Hyuk's ZvT is ridiculously weak, his opponents let him getting Hyuked by himself

Sux to see (Z)s2 crying after his loss.
"Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 07 2010 23:50 GMT
#747
the problem wtih bisu's play that game was just that he was very close to being denied a 3rd expo and starved to death. he was too insistent on attacking, which would have been his undoing had the zerg not waste his mutas or expanded/macroed better. he even said in the interview that he misjudged his position in the game.

of course, this is not to say that he didn't play well or isn't good. it's just that this particular game isn't anything to get excited about.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 04:59:19
November 08 2010 04:49 GMT
#748
On November 08 2010 08:50 oneofthem wrote:
the problem wtih bisu's play that game was just that he was very close to being denied a 3rd expo and starved to death. he was too insistent on attacking, which would have been his undoing had the zerg not waste his mutas or expanded/macroed better. he even said in the interview that he misjudged his position in the game.

of course, this is not to say that he didn't play well or isn't good. it's just that this particular game isn't anything to get excited about.

Shine had a low saturation of drones and was going allin by pumping units non-stop. Bisu was in no real danger of losing the game, taking a fast third would be suicidal against Shine's strategy. Had Shine expanded, Bisu would've destroyed him for sure..
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