EPT[SPL] SK Telecom T1 vs WeMade FOX - Page 37
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Simplistik
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On November 07 2010 21:34 oneofthem wrote: bisu didn't play all that well. the zerg lost his lead through dumb play I wonder if it's necessary to devalue wins like that. It happens so often. A player wins and a bunch of random comments state: "He didn't really win, the other guy was just terrible." What does that accomplish? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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disciple
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On November 07 2010 22:05 oneofthem wrote: it's not deflating the win btw, just not inflating it. haha come on dude. Simplistik had a point, you can't dodge it with semantics like this. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On November 07 2010 22:05 oneofthem wrote: if true, a situation like that shows that the player didn't perform all that well and thus would not support the idea that he is in very good form. it's not deflating the win btw, just not inflating it. luckily we're judging bisu's performance vs great, vs shine. not vs jaedong, not vs perfect theoretical play. judge people against their time, not a theoretical standard, otherwise all players more than a couple of years ago were terrible. they weren't. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On November 07 2010 22:17 JWD wrote: haha come on dude. Simplistik had a point, you can't dodge it with semantics like this. the original contention was that based on this particular game, we can see that bisu is in unstoppable pvz form. this is clearly not true and is indeed inflating his form. i'm just pointing this out, which is not deflating the win in any way. seems like all the t1 fans are hyping bisu up. i'm a t1 fan as well, but i remember t1 fans hating bisu back when he was stomping with mbc. bisu has some nice wins to start the season and he's in really good form, but the slate of opponents so far isn't enough to hype him up all that much just yet. i'm just calling it as it is. | ||
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Ryo
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1714 Posts
but based on bisu vs shine, i can't really say that it's bisu at his best. he almost lost there when his obs was delayed and HT was sniped but then again what matters is the result and get the job done. i guess, haters and skeptics are just waiting for bisu to win against great zergs and that is againts the tyrant jaedong or win a game against flash for that matter. edit: i'm a huge bisu fan and t1 fan but i'm still a little bit skeptic on bisu's resurgence + Show Spoiler + esp. when he lost to kal in the wildcard (although it was just a wildcard) | ||
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Simplistik
2094 Posts
On November 07 2010 22:57 oneofthem wrote: the original contention was that based on this particular game, we can see that bisu is in unstoppable pvz form. this is clearly not true and is indeed inflating his form. i'm just pointing this out, which is not deflating the win in any way. Of course he's not unstoppable, no BW player is unstoppable in any matchup, particularly not in single games. Exaggeration is quite common in these threads. However, though he probably is not unstoppable, he hasn't been stopped yet either! I think he's in good form and his win series and elo peak are the supporting evidence. | ||
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Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
Also, I really don't see a problem with how Bisu played. The only thing that wasn't perfect in his play was losing 3 observers, but that honestly can't be helped sometimes because they were out of position. He also shut down the doom drop and the later muta harass without losing too much. I'd say he had pretty solid play. Shine went all-in, and that's why it looked like he had a chance. If he didn't, then there's no way in hell that he'd have any chance in this. Until Jaedong beats him convincingly in a series, then you can't really say he's out of form, because in the last few months, the only loss he had was due to a late reaver(which was admittedly a mistake on his part). Also, I find i strange that people say he played bad when he's reaching a new ELO peak. The last time this peak was slightly after Bisu came out of nowhere and defeated the best zerg in the world(who is supposed to never lose to P) 3-0 in the biggest upset in the history of BW. If you can say he's not that great from there, then you'd need a lot of evidence. | ||
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Cadical
United States469 Posts
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Ecrilon
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okum
France5778 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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renzy
Canada781 Posts
On November 08 2010 02:44 Ecrilon wrote: Performance in SPL and his win streak are awesome, but Bisu's game against Shine was really poor. Despite having a probe in the base, his cannon timing was off and allowed 2 zerglings into his base. Then, despite having a zealot to defend, he lost 2 probes to 2 zerglings. During this time (though understandably) he also lost his scout. It's not game-losing but also not something you can accept doing if you were up against a better Zerg. Shine was really sneaking and made a pair of lings from his natural or third, while Bisu was busy harassing the workers in the main. haha. So Bisu didnt see the zerglings at all. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On November 08 2010 03:29 Xiphos wrote: PvZ, 50%!!!! THIS IS THE FALL GUYS! more like with a lack of good ZvPers... I mean the only zergs I call good ZvPers are Zero, JD and Shine since Effort is gone now. | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On November 08 2010 02:44 Ecrilon wrote: Performance in SPL and his win streak are awesome, but Bisu's game against Shine was really poor. Despite having a probe in the base, his cannon timing was off and allowed 2 zerglings into his base. Then, despite having a zealot to defend, he lost 2 probes to 2 zerglings. During this time (though understandably) he also lost his scout. It's not game-losing but also not something you can accept doing if you were up against a better Zerg. Bisu's cannon timing was off because Bisu saw the opportunity to cut corners, which he decided to put down his gateway before his first cannon, and he pretty much got away with it. Quite honestly, the only flaw from Bisu I saw was when he decided to engage the Hydras/Lurker with only his Zealots when it was pretty clear he'd lose the battle, I thought he was throwing away units very needlessly there. Otherwise, fantastic play by Bisu in fending off the 3 base all-in. On November 07 2010 21:34 oneofthem wrote: bisu didn't play all that well. the zerg lost his lead through dumb play It seemed to me that Shine never really had a "lead", per se, he was going allin off of 3 bases and had a really low drone saturation. Shine pretty much had to end it there or he'd get steam-rolled later on. | ||
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