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On November 06 2010 15:58 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 15:55 Navi wrote:On November 06 2010 15:53 Jackal03 wrote:
jd overcommitted with drones to defend the cheese, that costed him the game it wasn't overcommitting, any less and stork would have picked off too many drones/lings there is safety in numbers... no matter how weird that seems when it comes to harvesters lol storks build just countered JDs slightly too hard i'd say its comparable to a bbs vs a 12nexus on a slightly big map Think JD made a mistake going for the gateways instead of the pylon as well. And trying to counterattack too hard. He let another zealot sneak in. I'm not sure he could've won by using his hydras to defend against the corsairs sniping the overlords but the failed all-in pretty much sealed it. It's just funny watching Stork win using a SC2 strat in BW even with no warpgates and stronger zerglings in BW.
The positioning of the gateways made this pretty much impossible, he would've been able to attack that pylon with 2 drones max
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On November 06 2010 15:58 Malinor wrote:
Stork probably played too much Sc2 before. After he build his first gateway and then realized he is at an official BW-match and people are watching (so he actually cannot play sc2 or phone games witouht anyone noticing).
Then he realized in time that he cannot morph into warpgates, so some quick thinking later, he just builds those gateways in zergs base.
Now he's probably thinking "wow, BW is eaz, I shouldn't train for this. I better watch some porn before playing some Tetris"
:D You're funny
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On November 06 2010 15:56 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 15:51 letian wrote:On November 06 2010 15:50 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Gawd Jaedong looked SO PISSED by that build. yeah, i think this is how u should win bonjwas, I think Stork wouldn't stand a chance in straighup battle at this point. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/36074_Jaedong_vs_Stork/vodBetter be a joke. I don't know what you mean by "this point" but jaedong has been cruising at 2300+ ELO for over a year now, in the game I posted it was around 2350. I don't know how you can possibly make that statement. Whenever stork brings his A game no one beats him. The guy is a fucking monster. The micro, the macro, the precision. You can play stork Bo5 and each game he will bring you a build that can mind fuck you in some ridiculous way. When the guy is focused he made Bisu look like shit.
the most memorable game (for me) last season.
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On November 06 2010 15:53 radialis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 15:51 letian wrote:On November 06 2010 15:50 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Gawd Jaedong looked SO PISSED by that build. yeah, i think this is how u should win bonjwas, I think Stork wouldn't stand a chance in straighup battle at this point. haha yeah the only person who can take JD in a standard game seems to be flash atm. i've noticed NO ONE besides flash plays standard against JD and 99% of the time it bites them in the ass
Oh, this is not so true, Flash builds were always different with JD, as I remember, and well its Flash after all
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Jaedong fanboys: 10 GATE?!?!?!? THAT CHEESY POHTOSS
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On November 06 2010 15:58 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 15:55 Navi wrote:On November 06 2010 15:53 Jackal03 wrote:
jd overcommitted with drones to defend the cheese, that costed him the game it wasn't overcommitting, any less and stork would have picked off too many drones/lings there is safety in numbers... no matter how weird that seems when it comes to harvesters lol storks build just countered JDs slightly too hard i'd say its comparable to a bbs vs a 12nexus on a slightly big map Think JD made a mistake going for the gateways instead of the pylon as well. And trying to counterattack too hard. He let another zealot sneak in. I'm not sure he could've won by using his hydras to defend against the corsairs sniping the overlords but the failed all-in pretty much sealed it. It's just funny watching Stork win using a SC2 strat in BW even with no warpgates and stronger zerglings in BW.
2base protoss with better saturation than zerg > 2base zerg with mining and tech time lost early game
the attack was the only legitimate move against a player of stork's caliber anyhow.
going for the pylon would be a bad idea because a zealot would be about fairly soon to defend it not to mention the amount of space for the drones to stand and attack on were heavily limited and the travel time to get to a place where they could attack the pylon could make the difference as to whether a zealot came out or not.
not to mention the probe was still alive... lol
if JD went for the pylon, stork would immediately put another down and lul as JD would eventually have to commit a couple of drones to the other pylon as well
the other zealot was more of a good mindgame on stork's part than a mistake on JD's
the mining time lost was insignificant compared to that which was lost earlier
stork had an advantage, played brilliantly with it
JD defended excellently but couldn't overcome the advantage
gg
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On November 06 2010 15:56 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 15:51 letian wrote:On November 06 2010 15:50 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Gawd Jaedong looked SO PISSED by that build. yeah, i think this is how u should win bonjwas, I think Stork wouldn't stand a chance in straighup battle at this point. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/36074_Jaedong_vs_Stork/vodBetter be a joke. I don't know what you mean by "this point" but jaedong has been cruising at 2300+ ELO for over a year now, in the game I posted it was around 2350. I don't know how you can possibly make that statement. Whenever stork brings his A game no one beats him. The guy is a fucking monster. The micro, the macro, the precision. You can play stork Bo5 and each game he will bring you a build that can mind fuck you in some ridiculous way. When the guy is focused he made Bisu look like shit.
wowowwow stop it, I wasnt saying Stork was bad, well I mean, ok, the key word for Stork is "whenever"))
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On November 06 2010 15:59 _Quasar_ wrote:
why, why, why oh shit why you didn't go standard overpool Jaedong? T_T
Then would be no need to this drone-picking gates and it would SAVE ur economy instead of ruining it T_T
12 hatch is such a bad build vs P... T_T
overpool is terrible against a protoss who goes forge Fe on a large map like this
seriously, if the first lings do no damage then they have an overwhelming advantage and can dictate the matchup
the timing @ which the overlord scouts the opponent should be after the zerglings are hatched anyhow, so i think it is fairly unapplicable on this map in most situations
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I had a feeling Dong would lose if it went to ace; Stork seems to have his number when it comes to single games. Honestly, I wouldn't have even liked his chances against Turn if he did end up getting called out.
Edit: nm...answered.
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On November 06 2010 15:57 ShadeR wrote:
To everybody claiming stork cheesed please go jump.
Stork went 10 GATE and scouted correctly to find that Jaedong 12 HATCHed.
How the shit do you want Stork to react!
that was the most effective strategy, cheese is also ok, to make it clear - my point is if you want to win a strong player u must be unpredicltible, "How the shit do you want Stork to react!" - well 3 proxy gates was the least expected, don't u think)???
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I personally would have sent out Turn for Ace, but I guess this game shows why I'm not cut out to be a manager. Turn has been doing well in terms of the numbers, but I don't think he's faced an opponent quite as formidable as Jaedong yet. On the other hand, Stork has gone neck to neck with Jaedong many times in the past, so I imagine that experience (plus one serious pair that clank) helped him take this.
MY GOD that game was EPIC. I can't wait to see it in the interviews & proleague news writeups.
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On November 06 2010 16:00 nextstep wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 15:56 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On November 06 2010 15:51 letian wrote:On November 06 2010 15:50 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Gawd Jaedong looked SO PISSED by that build. yeah, i think this is how u should win bonjwas, I think Stork wouldn't stand a chance in straighup battle at this point. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/36074_Jaedong_vs_Stork/vodBetter be a joke. I don't know what you mean by "this point" but jaedong has been cruising at 2300+ ELO for over a year now, in the game I posted it was around 2350. I don't know how you can possibly make that statement. Whenever stork brings his A game no one beats him. The guy is a fucking monster. The micro, the macro, the precision. You can play stork Bo5 and each game he will bring you a build that can mind fuck you in some ridiculous way. When the guy is focused he made Bisu look like shit. the most memorable game (for me) last season.
That game was so smart by Stork. All he has to do is split the map and he wins because 5 base Protoss > 5 base Zerg. It was a race against time for Jaedong to A. beat him before the map split or B. JD had to get 6 bases vs 4 (highly unlikely). You'll notice Stork doesn't do to much offense late because he doesn't have to and he shouldn't. Just has to ride out the storm and that's what he did.
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On November 06 2010 16:04 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 15:56 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On November 06 2010 15:51 letian wrote:On November 06 2010 15:50 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Gawd Jaedong looked SO PISSED by that build. yeah, i think this is how u should win bonjwas, I think Stork wouldn't stand a chance in straighup battle at this point. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/36074_Jaedong_vs_Stork/vodBetter be a joke. I don't know what you mean by "this point" but jaedong has been cruising at 2300+ ELO for over a year now, in the game I posted it was around 2350. I don't know how you can possibly make that statement. Whenever stork brings his A game no one beats him. The guy is a fucking monster. The micro, the macro, the precision. You can play stork Bo5 and each game he will bring you a build that can mind fuck you in some ridiculous way. When the guy is focused he made Bisu look like shit. wowowwow stop it, I wasnt saying Stork was bad, well I mean, ok, the key word for Stork is "whenever"))
Yes and most fans of Stork will readily admit that he's inconsistent and will often lose to subpar and mediocre players, but we all know that when he's up against an S-Class opponent, without fail he steps up his game several notches.
In the last OSL Jaedong Vs Stork in the semi's went to a 5th set and the two games that Stork won were just straight up dominating as opposed to Jaedong's two ling runbys and a failed goon reaver all in.
Point is todays games are somewhat indicative of Stork's "meta".
Lose to Bacho
Beat Jaedong
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On November 06 2010 16:06 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 15:59 _Quasar_ wrote:
why, why, why oh shit why you didn't go standard overpool Jaedong? T_T
Then would be no need to this drone-picking gates and it would SAVE ur economy instead of ruining it T_T
12 hatch is such a bad build vs P... T_T overpool is terrible against a protoss who goes forge Fe on a large map like this seriously, if the first lings do no damage then they have an overwhelming advantage and can dictate the matchup the timing @ which the overlord scouts the opponent should be after the zerglings are hatched anyhow, so i think it is fairly unapplicable on this map in most situations
Yeah, I think JD went with the right opener and Stork went with the right response.
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On November 06 2010 16:02 ShadeR wrote:
Jaedong fanboys: 10 GATE?!?!?!? THAT CHEESY POHTOSS
oh, come on, don't be so lame, and well, whats wrong with fanboyism, yes I like JD, though I play toss mostly, and I hate it when he loses, i think laughing at somebody's like this is a bad manner, right or wrong I have a right to say that Storku is damn cheeser, just because I'm a JD fan, because I'm sad JD lost, whats wrong with that? I know its not that true, I know Stork is a great player and he has a very good vs JD record, come u ppl.
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On November 06 2010 16:15 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 16:02 ShadeR wrote:
Jaedong fanboys: 10 GATE?!?!?!? THAT CHEESY POHTOSS
oh, come on, don't be so lame, and well, whats wrong with fanboyism, yes I like JD, though I play toss mostly, and I hate it when he loses, i think laughing at somebody's like this is a bad manner, right or wrong I have a right to say that Storku is damn cheeser, just because I'm a JD fan, because I'm sad JD lost, whats wrong with that? I know its not that true, I know Stork is a great player and he has a very good vs JD record, come u ppl.
What's wrong with pestering you JD fans until you are forced to admit it? Isn't that our right as Stork fans?
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On November 06 2010 16:07 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 15:57 ShadeR wrote:
To everybody claiming stork cheesed please go jump.
Stork went 10 GATE and scouted correctly to find that Jaedong 12 HATCHed.
How the shit do you want Stork to react!
that was the most effective strategy, cheese is also ok, to make it clear - my point is if you want to win a strong player u must be unpredicltible, "How the shit do you want Stork to react!" - well 3 proxy gates was the least expected, don't u think)???
Those gates were a reaction to Jaedong's build.
We can argue all day long about what is cheese and what isn't, but what makes the difference for me is whether or not said play was predetermined (double proxy gates at 9/9 in the middle of the map) or a reaction to opposing players greedy build (bunker rush).
Nobody called Jaedong cheesy when he took advantage of Stork skimping on cannons.
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On November 06 2010 16:02 ShadeR wrote:
Jaedong fanboys: 10 GATE?!?!?!? THAT CHEESY POHTOSS
lol if you don't say that proxy 3 gate that Stork did against Jaedong wasn't cheese I have no idea what is then.
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On November 06 2010 16:16 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 16:15 letian wrote:On November 06 2010 16:02 ShadeR wrote:
Jaedong fanboys: 10 GATE?!?!?!? THAT CHEESY POHTOSS
oh, come on, don't be so lame, and well, whats wrong with fanboyism, yes I like JD, though I play toss mostly, and I hate it when he loses, i think laughing at somebody's like this is a bad manner, right or wrong I have a right to say that Storku is damn cheeser, just because I'm a JD fan, because I'm sad JD lost, whats wrong with that? I know its not that true, I know Stork is a great player and he has a very good vs JD record, come u ppl. What's wrong with pestering you JD fans until you are forced to admit it? Isn't that our right as Stork fans?
hahahah! yeah so true, u get the point, well gg for Storku, he can be the best sometimes
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On November 06 2010 16:17 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 16:07 letian wrote:On November 06 2010 15:57 ShadeR wrote:
To everybody claiming stork cheesed please go jump.
Stork went 10 GATE and scouted correctly to find that Jaedong 12 HATCHed.
How the shit do you want Stork to react!
that was the most effective strategy, cheese is also ok, to make it clear - my point is if you want to win a strong player u must be unpredicltible, "How the shit do you want Stork to react!" - well 3 proxy gates was the least expected, don't u think)??? Those gates were a reaction to Jaedong's build. We can argue all day long about what is cheese and what isn't, but what makes the difference for me is whether or not said play was predetermined (double proxy gates at 9/9 in the middle of the map) or a reaction to opposing players greedy build (bunker rush). Nobody called Jaedong cheesy when he took advantage of Stork skimping on cannons.
no I don't say its cheese, there is no cheese in SC, imho, just it was not expected, this is a bo, but holy 3 gates, who did it last time? I cant remember, that was so awesome, this what makes a great player, flexibility to counter with any possible bo, this what Stork did, still sad for JD
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