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radialis
726 Posts
On November 06 2010 15:51 letian wrote: yeah, i think this is how u should win bonjwas, I think Stork wouldn't stand a chance in straighup battle at this point. haha yeah the only person who can take JD in a standard game seems to be flash atm. i've noticed NO ONE besides flash plays standard against JD and 99% of the time it bites them in the ass | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
On November 06 2010 15:51 letian wrote: yeah, i think this is how u should win bonjwas, I think Stork wouldn't stand a chance in straighup battle at this point. rofl, it's so funny when fanboys see their favorite players get beaten by a cheese and then they say "well, obviously they cheesed because they knew they couldn't win straight up!" despite the fact that the person in question has a winning record against said person. | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
On November 06 2010 15:53 radialis wrote: haha yeah the only person who can take JD in a standard game seems to be flash atm. i've noticed NO ONE besides flash plays standard against JD and 99% of the time it bites them in the ass ROFL look at Stork's recent record against Jaedong before making uninformed statements like this. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On November 06 2010 15:53 Jackal03 wrote: jd overcommitted with drones to defend the cheese, that costed him the game it wasn't overcommitting, any less and stork would have picked off too many drones/lings there is safety in numbers... no matter how weird that seems when it comes to harvesters lol storks build just countered JDs slightly too hard i'd say its comparable to a bbs vs a 12nexus on a slightly big map | ||
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Altern
United States1053 Posts
even backho took a game off him via standard | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On November 06 2010 15:51 radialis wrote: people wondering why it worked don't understand the consequences of taking all but 2 of your drones off mining for like 3 minutes? I kind of get that now (I didn't see how many he left mining). So I guess the question is, what is the proper response to that? I guess we can chalk that up to Stork properly scouting the late pool and committing to the best response to such a late pool. JD didn't drone scout he was counting on Stork going pylon forge first, since fast expo is so easy for protoss on this map (hence the imbalance). But Stork decided to show why he is the best in the world at gateway first PvZ, and that isn't any worse on this map just because Bisu Build is strong on it. Stork wins the mind game I guess. Good job by Stork I guess to realize that JD was too late on pool to deal well with proxy gates right up in his grill. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On November 06 2010 15:55 Altern wrote: WEIRD Game O_o even backho took a game off him via standard backho can take a game off anyone~!!!! do you doubt fool? | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On November 06 2010 15:53 Navi wrote: never ever. stupid noob, got a winning rec vs flash through all dat cheese too. mm hmm. wooot? hahaha. man. Do you really think Stork to win against JD straight up? Well I highly doubt. I mean least in his present form of course | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On November 06 2010 15:51 letian wrote: yeah, i think this is how u should win bonjwas, I think Stork wouldn't stand a chance in straighup battle at this point. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/36074_Jaedong_vs_Stork/vod Better be a joke. I don't know what you mean by "this point" but jaedong has been cruising at 2300+ ELO for over a year now, in the game I posted it was around 2350. I don't know how you can possibly make that statement. Whenever stork brings his A game no one beats him. The guy is a fucking monster. The micro, the macro, the precision. You can play stork Bo5 and each game he will bring you a build that can mind fuck you in some ridiculous way. When the guy is focused he made Bisu look like shit. | ||
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radialis
726 Posts
On November 06 2010 15:54 matjlav wrote: rofl, it's so funny when fanboys see their favorite players get beaten by a cheese and then they say "well, obviously they cheesed because they knew they couldn't win straight up!" despite the fact that the person in question has a winning record against said person. backho has a winning record against jaedong, what's your point? | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
Stork went 10 GATE and scouted correctly to find that Jaedong 12 HATCHed. How the shit do you want Stork to react! | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
On November 06 2010 15:55 Navi wrote: it wasn't overcommitting, any less and stork would have picked off too many drones/lings there is safety in numbers... no matter how weird that seems when it comes to harvesters lol storks build just countered JDs slightly too hard i'd say its comparable to a bbs vs a 12nexus on a slightly big map yeah, thinking well, it was kind like the game flash 5 raxed JD. It's a BO win, JD tryed an early econ advantage while storked rushed him | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On November 06 2010 15:55 Navi wrote: it wasn't overcommitting, any less and stork would have picked off too many drones/lings there is safety in numbers... no matter how weird that seems when it comes to harvesters lol storks build just countered JDs slightly too hard i'd say its comparable to a bbs vs a 12nexus on a slightly big map Think JD made a mistake going for the gateways instead of the pylon as well. And trying to counterattack too hard. He let another zealot sneak in. I'm not sure he could've won by using his hydras to defend against the corsairs sniping the overlords but the failed all-in pretty much sealed it. It's just funny watching Stork win using a SC2 strat in BW even with no warpgates and stronger zerglings in BW. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4733 Posts
Then he realized in time that he cannot morph into warpgates, so some quick thinking later, he just builds those gateways in zergs base. Now he's probably thinking "wow, BW is eaz, I shouldn't train for this. I better watch some porn before playing some Tetris." | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
On November 06 2010 15:57 radialis wrote: backho has a winning record against jaedong, what's your point? My point is that when you say that Stork can only beat Jaedong by cheesing, it just shows how uninformed you are because Stork has beaten Jaedong straight up multiple times this year. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On November 06 2010 15:56 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/36074_Jaedong_vs_Stork/vod Better be a joke. I don't know what you mean by "this point" but jaedong has been cruising at 2300+ ELO for over a year now, in the game I posted it was around 2350. I don't know how you can possibly make that statement. Whenever stork brings his A game no one beats him. The guy is a fucking monster. The micro, the macro, the precision. You can play stork Bo5 and each game he will bring you a build that can mind fuck you in some ridiculous way. When the guy is focused he made Bisu look like shit. the problem is, most of the time stork isn't able to bring his A-game D: he's like an anti-kal.... super good against S-class and rather mediocre against mediocre players in comparison i'd say that in a straight up game against each other, JD and stork are usually pretty even to be honest, quite a few of storks wins against JD are at the least a little cheesy hahahaha | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On November 06 2010 15:53 radialis wrote: haha yeah the only person who can take JD in a standard game seems to be flash atm. i've noticed NO ONE besides flash plays standard against JD and 99% of the time it bites them in the ass Stork is the Cheese Bonjwa he's always been his best doing weird shit like mass carriers vs. zerg, hidden expo + carriers vs Flash. I hope Khan gets back to map-specific cheeses, those were always lulzy. | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
Then would be no need to this drone-picking gates and it would SAVE ur economy instead of ruining it T_T 12 hatch is such a bad build vs P... T_T | ||
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AppleTart
United States1261 Posts
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