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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
November 06 2010 07:23 GMT
#921
On November 06 2010 16:18 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2010 16:02 ShadeR wrote:

Jaedong fanboys: 10 GATE?!?!?!? THAT CHEESY POHTOSS


lol if you don't say that proxy 3 gate that Stork did against Jaedong wasn't cheese I have no idea what is then.


he started 10 gate lol
built the extra proxy3 as a response to JD's build
its like, some terran builds a barracks in the middle of the map at around 10 or 11
and lo and behold the opponent terran is going 14cc
i wouldn't consider building a bunker and an extra barracks "cheese" so much as a "good response" to the situation
likewise, here

if stork didn't do that play and instead went 2gate inbase or something of the stork, JD would have as much as an advantage as stork did end up having in this game

and you don't want to be at a disadvantage against JD (or stork!)
Hey! Listen!
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
November 06 2010 07:25 GMT
#922
sad sad day for an OZ fan, ACe match lost...
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
November 06 2010 07:29 GMT
#923
STORK saves the day!! YEAH Khan!! But will Jangbi never return? I think it might be over for him...
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
November 06 2010 07:30 GMT
#924
*sigh*

Never even once predicted the outcome right so far -.-
yanmaodao
Profile Joined February 2010
United States430 Posts
November 06 2010 07:33 GMT
#925
On November 06 2010 16:23 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2010 16:17 ShadeR wrote:
On November 06 2010 16:07 letian wrote:
On November 06 2010 15:57 ShadeR wrote:
To everybody claiming stork cheesed please go jump.

Stork went 10 GATE and scouted correctly to find that Jaedong 12 HATCHed.
How the shit do you want Stork to react!


that was the most effective strategy, cheese is also ok, to make it clear - my point is if you want to win a strong player u must be unpredicltible, "How the shit do you want Stork to react!" - well 3 proxy gates was the least expected, don't u think)???

Those gates were a reaction to Jaedong's build.
We can argue all day long about what is cheese and what isn't, but what makes the difference for me is whether or not said play was predetermined (double proxy gates at 9/9 in the middle of the map) or a reaction to opposing players greedy build (bunker rush).

Nobody called Jaedong cheesy when he took advantage of Stork skimping on cannons.

no I don't say its cheese, there is no cheese in SC, imho, just it was not expected, this is a bo, but holy 3 gates, who did it last time? I cant remember, that was so awesome, this what makes a great player, flexibility to counter with any possible bo, this what Stork did, still sad for JD


Speaking in general, I'd say there is such a thing as cheese, but that refers to an all-in opening, not an all-in counter. All-in counters are perfectly acceptable against greedy play. And don't give me that "don't get me wrong, that was the right strategy, but it's still cheese, I mean nothing by it," etc. etc. "Cheese" is a pejorative label. Aggressive counters to greedy play should be lauded, not disparaged. Greedy play should be disparaged.

That being said, for this game specifically... I didn't watch the game, but from reading the LR... three proxy gate in the nat to counter 12-hatch sounds pretty iffy, lol. I wouldn't call 12-hatch all that greedy, personally (three hatch before pool is another story), it's pretty much a necessity as a zerg unless you're committing to doing damage with lings. I'd say it's pretty cheesy... but I'll have to watch the game first. And I'll definitely watch this one.

Stork maybe won a bit of the mindgame with this one? Given how their last series went, he anticipated that JD wouldn't get early lings this time. Someone needed to give JD a copy of that Kwanro "Strategy! Mindgames!" flowchart, haha.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
November 06 2010 07:37 GMT
#926
W T F

Jaedong why do you suck vs Stork?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
November 06 2010 07:46 GMT
#927
Hahaha I can't believe so many people got auto-warned for "What is this? I don't even..." posts . So fitting, though. I am embarrassed at how badly I misunderstood the game in the moment.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
November 06 2010 07:48 GMT
#928
Just got back from lunch... I missed Stork v Jaedong =(
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
November 06 2010 07:51 GMT
#929
I assume Stork was prepared vs whatever Jaedong did, and found that by going 10-gate (I missed this part) and scouting the triple proxy gate would make him ahead because there's a safe backyard expo.

Risk/Reward?
Stuck.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
November 06 2010 07:52 GMT
#930
The Fomos interviews are up... hope OpticalShot follows through.
YESSSS123
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada12 Posts
November 06 2010 07:57 GMT
#931
YESSSS!

i need more jaedong fanboy tears. give them to me!!!!!
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
November 06 2010 08:00 GMT
#932
LOL BACKHO... THEN STORK

LOLOLOLOL
Writer
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2784 Posts
November 06 2010 08:11 GMT
#933
damn it... how could I've missed this the last game sounds awesome.
KT Violet 1988 - 2012
radialis
Profile Joined November 2010
726 Posts
November 06 2010 08:20 GMT
#934
On November 06 2010 16:17 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2010 16:07 letian wrote:
On November 06 2010 15:57 ShadeR wrote:
To everybody claiming stork cheesed please go jump.

Stork went 10 GATE and scouted correctly to find that Jaedong 12 HATCHed.
How the shit do you want Stork to react!


that was the most effective strategy, cheese is also ok, to make it clear - my point is if you want to win a strong player u must be unpredicltible, "How the shit do you want Stork to react!" - well 3 proxy gates was the least expected, don't u think)???

Those gates were a reaction to Jaedong's build.
We can argue all day long about what is cheese and what isn't, but what makes the difference for me is whether or not said play was predetermined (double proxy gates at 9/9 in the middle of the map) or a reaction to opposing players greedy build (bunker rush).

Nobody called Jaedong cheesy when he took advantage of Stork skimping on cannons.

lol true... i remember when he did two 4 pools in a row, people were like "OMG SO FUCKING BALLER" and "JAEDONG TOO MANLY FOR THIS GAME FUCK YEAH"
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
November 06 2010 08:38 GMT
#935
Teaser: Amusing interviews.
Stuck.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-06 08:39:15
November 06 2010 08:38 GMT
#936
On November 06 2010 16:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
The Fomos interviews are up... hope OpticalShot follows through.

(Translated) Interviews are UP!
F5F5F5F5 FTW
[TLMS] REBOOT
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
November 06 2010 08:41 GMT
#937
zerg should forget about 12hatching ZvP -_____- How many will last the legend that it's a safe build? X_x You can be beaten with it and able to do nothing even if you are Jaedong.

Or obligatory drone scout - 8th or 9th - to arrive at P's base and then choose between 12pool or 12hatch.

12hatch freaking ONLY vs. fe. T_T
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
November 06 2010 08:44 GMT
#938
Anyways thanks to JD for always playing on the edge - only that can define and bring out the best builds.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
YESSSS123
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada12 Posts
November 06 2010 09:06 GMT
#939
On November 06 2010 16:18 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2010 16:02 ShadeR wrote:

Jaedong fanboys: 10 GATE?!?!?!? THAT CHEESY POHTOSS


lol if you don't say that proxy 3 gate that Stork did against Jaedong wasn't cheese I have no idea what is then.


your fanboy tears; they taste so goooood!!!
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
November 06 2010 09:07 GMT
#940
On November 06 2010 17:41 _Quasar_ wrote:
zerg should forget about 12hatching ZvP -_____- How many will last the legend that it's a safe build? X_x You can be beaten with it and able to do nothing even if you are Jaedong.

Or obligatory drone scout - 8th or 9th - to arrive at P's base and then choose between 12pool or 12hatch.

12hatch freaking ONLY vs. fe. T_T

....You do realize that 1gate expand is standard pvz on that map right.

9pool/overpool vs that is bad and puts you behind.

Plus, since his ovie went to right direction, he would have drone scouted to other direction and found nothing (it's a 3p map) Also, even if his drone did get there on first try, he wouldn't have assumed anything out of the ordinary as stork made his first pylon and gateway in his base.
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