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On November 06 2010 16:18 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 16:02 ShadeR wrote:
Jaedong fanboys: 10 GATE?!?!?!? THAT CHEESY POHTOSS
lol if you don't say that proxy 3 gate that Stork did against Jaedong wasn't cheese I have no idea what is then.
he started 10 gate lol
built the extra proxy3 as a response to JD's build
its like, some terran builds a barracks in the middle of the map at around 10 or 11
and lo and behold the opponent terran is going 14cc
i wouldn't consider building a bunker and an extra barracks "cheese" so much as a "good response" to the situation
likewise, here
if stork didn't do that play and instead went 2gate inbase or something of the stork, JD would have as much as an advantage as stork did end up having in this game
and you don't want to be at a disadvantage against JD (or stork!)
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sad sad day for an OZ fan, ACe match lost...
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STORK saves the day!! YEAH Khan!! But will Jangbi never return? I think it might be over for him...
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*sigh*
Never even once predicted the outcome right so far -.-
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On November 06 2010 16:23 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 16:17 ShadeR wrote:On November 06 2010 16:07 letian wrote:On November 06 2010 15:57 ShadeR wrote:
To everybody claiming stork cheesed please go jump.
Stork went 10 GATE and scouted correctly to find that Jaedong 12 HATCHed.
How the shit do you want Stork to react!
that was the most effective strategy, cheese is also ok, to make it clear - my point is if you want to win a strong player u must be unpredicltible, "How the shit do you want Stork to react!" - well 3 proxy gates was the least expected, don't u think)??? Those gates were a reaction to Jaedong's build. We can argue all day long about what is cheese and what isn't, but what makes the difference for me is whether or not said play was predetermined (double proxy gates at 9/9 in the middle of the map) or a reaction to opposing players greedy build (bunker rush). Nobody called Jaedong cheesy when he took advantage of Stork skimping on cannons. no I don't say its cheese, there is no cheese in SC, imho, just it was not expected, this is a bo, but holy 3 gates, who did it last time? I cant remember, that was so awesome, this what makes a great player, flexibility to counter with any possible bo, this what Stork did, still sad for JD
Speaking in general, I'd say there is such a thing as cheese, but that refers to an all-in opening, not an all-in counter. All-in counters are perfectly acceptable against greedy play. And don't give me that "don't get me wrong, that was the right strategy, but it's still cheese, I mean nothing by it," etc. etc. "Cheese" is a pejorative label. Aggressive counters to greedy play should be lauded, not disparaged. Greedy play should be disparaged.
That being said, for this game specifically... I didn't watch the game, but from reading the LR... three proxy gate in the nat to counter 12-hatch sounds pretty iffy, lol. I wouldn't call 12-hatch all that greedy, personally (three hatch before pool is another story), it's pretty much a necessity as a zerg unless you're committing to doing damage with lings. I'd say it's pretty cheesy... but I'll have to watch the game first. And I'll definitely watch this one.
Stork maybe won a bit of the mindgame with this one? Given how their last series went, he anticipated that JD wouldn't get early lings this time. Someone needed to give JD a copy of that Kwanro "Strategy! Mindgames!" flowchart, haha.
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Jaedong why do you suck vs Stork?
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Hahaha I can't believe so many people got auto-warned for "What is this? I don't even..." posts  . So fitting, though. I am embarrassed at how badly I misunderstood the game in the moment.
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Just got back from lunch... I missed Stork v Jaedong =(
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I assume Stork was prepared vs whatever Jaedong did, and found that by going 10-gate (I missed this part) and scouting the triple proxy gate would make him ahead because there's a safe backyard expo.
Risk/Reward?
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The Fomos interviews are up... hope OpticalShot follows through.
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YESSSS!
i need more jaedong fanboy tears. give them to me!!!!!
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United States10328 Posts
LOL BACKHO... THEN STORK
LOLOLOLOL
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damn it... how could I've missed this  the last game sounds awesome.
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On November 06 2010 16:17 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 16:07 letian wrote:On November 06 2010 15:57 ShadeR wrote:
To everybody claiming stork cheesed please go jump.
Stork went 10 GATE and scouted correctly to find that Jaedong 12 HATCHed.
How the shit do you want Stork to react!
that was the most effective strategy, cheese is also ok, to make it clear - my point is if you want to win a strong player u must be unpredicltible, "How the shit do you want Stork to react!" - well 3 proxy gates was the least expected, don't u think)??? Those gates were a reaction to Jaedong's build. We can argue all day long about what is cheese and what isn't, but what makes the difference for me is whether or not said play was predetermined (double proxy gates at 9/9 in the middle of the map) or a reaction to opposing players greedy build (bunker rush). Nobody called Jaedong cheesy when he took advantage of Stork skimping on cannons.
lol true... i remember when he did two 4 pools in a row, people were like "OMG SO FUCKING BALLER" and "JAEDONG TOO MANLY FOR THIS GAME FUCK YEAH"
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Teaser: Amusing interviews.
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On November 06 2010 16:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
The Fomos interviews are up... hope OpticalShot follows through.
(Translated) Interviews are UP!
F5F5F5F5 FTW
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
zerg should forget about 12hatching ZvP -_____- How many will last the legend that it's a safe build? X_x You can be beaten with it and able to do nothing even if you are Jaedong.
Or obligatory drone scout - 8th or 9th - to arrive at P's base and then choose between 12pool or 12hatch.
12hatch freaking ONLY vs. fe. T_T
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
Anyways thanks to JD for always playing on the edge - only that can define and bring out the best builds.
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On November 06 2010 16:18 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 16:02 ShadeR wrote:
Jaedong fanboys: 10 GATE?!?!?!? THAT CHEESY POHTOSS
lol if you don't say that proxy 3 gate that Stork did against Jaedong wasn't cheese I have no idea what is then.
your fanboy tears; they taste so goooood!!!
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On November 06 2010 17:41 _Quasar_ wrote:
zerg should forget about 12hatching ZvP -_____- How many will last the legend that it's a safe build? X_x You can be beaten with it and able to do nothing even if you are Jaedong.
Or obligatory drone scout - 8th or 9th - to arrive at P's base and then choose between 12pool or 12hatch.
12hatch freaking ONLY vs. fe. T_T
....You do realize that 1gate expand is standard pvz on that map right.
9pool/overpool vs that is bad and puts you behind.
Plus, since his ovie went to right direction, he would have drone scouted to other direction and found nothing (it's a 3p map) Also, even if his drone did get there on first try, he wouldn't have assumed anything out of the ordinary as stork made his first pylon and gateway in his base.
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