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On August 30 2010 02:36 Trap wrote:
Hopefully we can get a new card next time. I'm not saying these guys played bad, they're amazing players, but watching Flash continually out-strategize the mechanical beast JD while occasionally dropping underwhelming games (game 4) is getting old. Can we get a Zerg who is willing to take some damn risks or try some new TvZ builds? I really wonder if JD considers using a 4-5 pool vs Flash to be beneath him, but considering Flash is known for going 14cc all the damn time, punish him for it. Don't get me wrong, it was a decent series, but as JD is getting older I'm really hoping another Z/P will pick up the slack.
I think JD IS too proud to do some serious aggression. He pretty much 12 hatched every time when he really should have just 9 pooled. Effort had the right idea, honestly. Jaedong had the right idea in his final against Fantasy(take advantage of early weakness to negate their strength), but it seems like he lost that somewhere on the way to this final.
It seems like getting BBSed and 14CCed didn't really teach Jaedong all that much.
On August 30 2010 02:26 AppleTart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 01:39 Lightwip wrote:On August 29 2010 17:18 vietboi wrote:On August 29 2010 14:52 Lightwip wrote:On August 29 2010 14:35 bluetrolls wrote:On August 29 2010 14:30 Lightwip wrote:On August 29 2010 14:26 yelps wrote:On August 29 2010 13:18 KissBlade wrote:
I really don't understand how can there be any Flash fans. What part of his play do people find so exciting? God, I tried not to watch the finals because I was afraid of jinxing things but I had a stupid sinking feeling the moment I checked this thread. BAH I SAY. This is your opinion. People wonder the same thing about jaedong too I've seen very few people wondering what people like about Jaedong. He's probably the most liked player out of all of them right now. So what is it that makes you like Jaedong? (If you like him). Honestly, the tendency of terrans to just sit with tanks and try to turtle their way through doesn't make me respect them much. I think an S class protoss/zerg is much harder to achieve. So you say that Flash acheivements are easier then example Jaedong and Bisu acheivements? I think its more Flash talent, skill and determination that has made him what he is, not the Terran race. I dont reckon many Terrans winning anything since NaDa or oov. So if turtling with tanks is so much easier then zerg/protoss. Why isnt there any other then flash who has won (as terran) the latest years? I think every race has their pros and cons. Terran has just come alot further then zerg/protoss in the evolution when it comes down to strategy. And they are really using it to their advantage. But dont say that Flash/Boxer/NaDa/Oov acheivements are worth less then for a S-class zerg/protoss. That is simply disrespecting their hard work and determination. The fact that Boxer, Oov, and Nada were bonjwas really does make Flash's achievements less credible. I consider what Savior/Jaedong did and what Bisu/Nal_rA did more important. The fact that so many terrans achieved that status makes me think that it really isn't so hard(relative to toss/zerg of course). On August 29 2010 18:46 KristianJS wrote:On August 29 2010 18:31 dybydx wrote:
funny how someone just said T is boring cause of turtling with tanks when Flash won his games without any tanks and was on the offense. This. I can't even recall seeing a single sieged tank the whole series. A couple of unsieged ones but that's it. Flash played all the games extremely aggressively. I'm not talking about this series of games, but just in general. Flash wasn't actually too bad this set, and I actually didn't hate his TvZ until he decided that you can be gay with tanks in TvZ too. No I don't think it's imba/unfair, but it doesn't make me like them. IMO Jaedong lost because he was stupid enough to let Flash 14CC 6/7 times. On August 29 2010 19:26 darktreb wrote:
Lightwip's ridiculous anti-Flash bias has blinded him completely from making any rational observations. It's one thing to dislike a player, which everyone has a right to do, but it's incredibly annoying when someone is just constantly whipping out stuff that's borderline completely irrelevant.
Plenty of people on TL who dislike Flash are reasonable. Morons like Lightwip are not one of them. I think this is appropriate here. darktreb has a point... Flash has WL, PL, MSL under his belt already. He has triple MSL finals 2 golds with that and has a possibility of triple OSL finals one gold one silver thus far. Triple back to back double star leagues has never happened, let alone double... also his win percentage and elo is the highest in history of BW.... Korean commentators have also declared Flash as beyond-bonjwa. I really think what you are saying is just your own bias. What I stated was the facts. I read what you read and I can't really look up what you said because it's just how you feel. Flash is everywhere, no matter which league you look no matter which interview you read, Flash is there because he is the best all around player bar none. Oh... and I looked back at your old posts and that's really all you do... trash talk Flash. I really wish Flash joined TL and just made a post about how much of a failure you are. It's one thing to be a rabid fan of a player, it's another to be a rabid hater who QQ's all the time.
Flash may or may not be the best player, that's an opinion. I certainly don't like him though because I have an innate hate for tanks and turtling. Whether or not he is the best player, being terran is in my opinion easier, as seen by the fact that there's 3. One reason for the abundance of them is probably because terran is easier to make comebacks with. A protoss/zerg comeback is far less likely than a terran one. When Effort made a comeback in that one game against forGG, GGPlay against Iris, Jangbi against Ruby(when he had a few carriers snipe Ruby's last comsat and then he destroyed Ruby's larger army with DT's) and Bisu against Pure/Clam, those were pretty unexpected and required some really impressive play. When Flash won against Jaedong in the WCG or Movie in the OSL(game 1), it really just looked like some tanks(admittedly, BC's too in the game against JD, which IMO should have been killed by ensnare+devourer+DIVINE WINDDD) and mines getting more kills than they really should get, which simply isn't as impressive/difficult as epic defiler control, epic harass, or somehow opening a magical hole with which to rape someone with DT's.
Dont get me wrong, Flash is a good player and I see why people would like him. But to me he's boring and I think that to an extent he's riding on the fraudulence of terran.
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On August 30 2010 02:36 Trap wrote:
Can we get a Zerg who is willing to take some damn risks or try some new TvZ builds?
Kwanro, Avalon MSL
Effort, Korean Air OSL
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i'm really hoping we'll see Stork vs Flash in the finals. I wouldn't put it past Stork to prepare something really brilliant to take Flash out. He might not be as good as Jaedong, but Stork is a genius of preparation and it more than makes up for his worse mechanics
im kind of tired of leessangrok
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On August 30 2010 03:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i'm really hoping we'll see Stork vs Flash in the finals. I wouldn't put it past Stork to prepare something really brilliant to take Flash out. He might not be as good as Jaedong, but Stork is a genius of preparation and it more than makes up for his worse mechanics
im kind of tired of leessangrok
I actually hope free or Stork win. I wouldn't put it past Bisu to beat Jaedong in a Bo5, because he could've and should've last time they had one. Stork has the skill, but not the confidence to win. He could get shattered by a single loss.
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Where are the reps? Or did they not even happen yet? Lolz
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On August 30 2010 03:40 Fruscainte wrote:
Where are the reps? Or did they not even happen yet? Lolz
No replays of these games only VODs go hir
http://www.wfbrood.com/movie/sc/
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On August 30 2010 03:18 bluetrolls wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 02:36 Trap wrote:
Can we get a Zerg who is willing to take some damn risks or try some new TvZ builds?
Kwanro, Avalon MSL Effort, Korean Air OSL
Both of those players have serious deficiencies in standard ZvT decision making. Effort at his peak is good, but until a month or two before the OSL had an abysmal ZvT streak, and Kwanro is Kwanro. What I really want is for the strategic zergs, like Zero/Calm/Action. to solve their individual quirky problems (nerves/clam/early game respectively) and think of some new ZvT variations. JD had it really unlucky that he played so many ZvT games by the time he hit the finals.
On August 30 2010 03:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i'm really hoping we'll see Stork vs Flash in the finals. I wouldn't put it past Stork to prepare something really brilliant to take Flash out. He might not be as good as Jaedong, but Stork is a genius of preparation and it more than makes up for his worse mechanics
im kind of tired of leessangrok
Completely agreed. JD showed phenomenal control in game 3, but otherwise seemed strategically stagnant for this finals, whereas Stork ideally could use a wide variety of PvT builds to set the pace against Flash.
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Maybe I shouldn't complain, because someone is providing the VOD's as a free service. They are doing all the work and we are just sitting on our fat asses doing jack squat. But I still think it needs to be said.
I cannot believe that [a certain VOD provider] COMPLETELY FUCKING CUT OFF the most important part of the tourney - the aftermath of game 5, the celebration, the joy on the winner's face, the agony on the loser's face, the excitement and bright lights and crowds going wild. I can't tell you how much that pisses me off, as a BW spectator and fan. As someone's sig put it - that's like porn without sex. That's like food without flavor, marriage without love, rainbows without color. Why the bloody hell would you do that. You may as well have not provided anything at all.
If you need to ban me for this, then ban me. I'll go down knowing that I stood up for what I thought was right.
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On August 30 2010 03:15 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 02:36 Trap wrote:
Hopefully we can get a new card next time. I'm not saying these guys played bad, they're amazing players, but watching Flash continually out-strategize the mechanical beast JD while occasionally dropping underwhelming games (game 4) is getting old. Can we get a Zerg who is willing to take some damn risks or try some new TvZ builds? I really wonder if JD considers using a 4-5 pool vs Flash to be beneath him, but considering Flash is known for going 14cc all the damn time, punish him for it. Don't get me wrong, it was a decent series, but as JD is getting older I'm really hoping another Z/P will pick up the slack. I think JD IS too proud to do some serious aggression. He pretty much 12 hatched every time when he really should have just 9 pooled. Effort had the right idea, honestly. Jaedong had the right idea in his final against Fantasy(take advantage of early weakness to negate their strength), but it seems like he lost that somewhere on the way to this final. It seems like getting BBSed and 14CCed didn't really teach Jaedong all that much. Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 02:26 AppleTart wrote:On August 30 2010 01:39 Lightwip wrote:On August 29 2010 17:18 vietboi wrote:On August 29 2010 14:52 Lightwip wrote:On August 29 2010 14:35 bluetrolls wrote:On August 29 2010 14:30 Lightwip wrote:On August 29 2010 14:26 yelps wrote:On August 29 2010 13:18 KissBlade wrote:
I really don't understand how can there be any Flash fans. What part of his play do people find so exciting? God, I tried not to watch the finals because I was afraid of jinxing things but I had a stupid sinking feeling the moment I checked this thread. BAH I SAY. This is your opinion. People wonder the same thing about jaedong too I've seen very few people wondering what people like about Jaedong. He's probably the most liked player out of all of them right now. So what is it that makes you like Jaedong? (If you like him). Honestly, the tendency of terrans to just sit with tanks and try to turtle their way through doesn't make me respect them much. I think an S class protoss/zerg is much harder to achieve. So you say that Flash acheivements are easier then example Jaedong and Bisu acheivements? I think its more Flash talent, skill and determination that has made him what he is, not the Terran race. I dont reckon many Terrans winning anything since NaDa or oov. So if turtling with tanks is so much easier then zerg/protoss. Why isnt there any other then flash who has won (as terran) the latest years? I think every race has their pros and cons. Terran has just come alot further then zerg/protoss in the evolution when it comes down to strategy. And they are really using it to their advantage. But dont say that Flash/Boxer/NaDa/Oov acheivements are worth less then for a S-class zerg/protoss. That is simply disrespecting their hard work and determination. The fact that Boxer, Oov, and Nada were bonjwas really does make Flash's achievements less credible. I consider what Savior/Jaedong did and what Bisu/Nal_rA did more important. The fact that so many terrans achieved that status makes me think that it really isn't so hard(relative to toss/zerg of course). On August 29 2010 18:46 KristianJS wrote:On August 29 2010 18:31 dybydx wrote:
funny how someone just said T is boring cause of turtling with tanks when Flash won his games without any tanks and was on the offense. This. I can't even recall seeing a single sieged tank the whole series. A couple of unsieged ones but that's it. Flash played all the games extremely aggressively. I'm not talking about this series of games, but just in general. Flash wasn't actually too bad this set, and I actually didn't hate his TvZ until he decided that you can be gay with tanks in TvZ too. No I don't think it's imba/unfair, but it doesn't make me like them. IMO Jaedong lost because he was stupid enough to let Flash 14CC 6/7 times. On August 29 2010 19:26 darktreb wrote:
Lightwip's ridiculous anti-Flash bias has blinded him completely from making any rational observations. It's one thing to dislike a player, which everyone has a right to do, but it's incredibly annoying when someone is just constantly whipping out stuff that's borderline completely irrelevant.
Plenty of people on TL who dislike Flash are reasonable. Morons like Lightwip are not one of them. I think this is appropriate here. darktreb has a point... Flash has WL, PL, MSL under his belt already. He has triple MSL finals 2 golds with that and has a possibility of triple OSL finals one gold one silver thus far. Triple back to back double star leagues has never happened, let alone double... also his win percentage and elo is the highest in history of BW.... Korean commentators have also declared Flash as beyond-bonjwa. I really think what you are saying is just your own bias. What I stated was the facts. I read what you read and I can't really look up what you said because it's just how you feel. Flash is everywhere, no matter which league you look no matter which interview you read, Flash is there because he is the best all around player bar none. Oh... and I looked back at your old posts and that's really all you do... trash talk Flash. I really wish Flash joined TL and just made a post about how much of a failure you are. It's one thing to be a rabid fan of a player, it's another to be a rabid hater who QQ's all the time. Flash may or may not be the best player, that's an opinion. I certainly don't like him though because I have an innate hate for tanks and turtling. Whether or not he is the best player, being terran is in my opinion easier, as seen by the fact that there's 3. One reason for the abundance of them is probably because terran is easier to make comebacks with. A protoss/zerg comeback is far less likely than a terran one. When Effort made a comeback in that one game against forGG, GGPlay against Iris, Jangbi against Ruby(when he had a few carriers snipe Ruby's last comsat and then he destroyed Ruby's larger army with DT's) and Bisu against Pure/Clam, those were pretty unexpected and required some really impressive play. When Flash won against Jaedong in the WCG or Movie in the OSL(game 1), it really just looked like some tanks(admittedly, BC's too in the game against JD, which IMO should have been killed by ensnare+devourer+ DIVINE WINDDD) and mines getting more kills than they really should get, which simply isn't as impressive/difficult as epic defiler control, epic harass, or somehow opening a magical hole with which to rape someone with DT's. Dont get me wrong, Flash is a good player and I see why people would like him. But to me he's boring and I think that to an extent he's riding on the fraudulence of terran.
Just stop posting please. You simply hate Terran race and because Flash is using its potential to the fullest you're Flash hater.
If you think mines and siege tank are too powerful let's make Zerg not play with defilers and ultras and Protoss stop using Templars and zealots. Flash is playing Terran as it is meant to be. What do you expect? He should just not siege tanks and let himself be overrun by Protoss or ultras. Terran is defensive race. It's army is super vulnerable if it is not position well. But you don't care about do you?
I won't even touch upon stuff you wrote about comebacks. That's just beyond ridiculous.
You can hate Terran race and I don't give a crap but please don't let your hate blind you from recognizing sheer skill when you see it
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On August 30 2010 03:45 Trap wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 03:18 bluetrolls wrote:On August 30 2010 02:36 Trap wrote:
Can we get a Zerg who is willing to take some damn risks or try some new TvZ builds?
Kwanro, Avalon MSL Effort, Korean Air OSL Both of those players have serious deficiencies in standard ZvT decision making. Effort at his peak is good, but until a month or two before the OSL had an abysmal ZvT streak, and Kwanro is Kwanro. What I really want is for the strategic zergs, like Zero/Calm/Action. to solve their individual quirky problems (nerves/clam/early game respectively) and think of some new ZvT variations. JD had it really unlucky that he played so many ZvT games by the time he hit the finals. Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 03:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i'm really hoping we'll see Stork vs Flash in the finals. I wouldn't put it past Stork to prepare something really brilliant to take Flash out. He might not be as good as Jaedong, but Stork is a genius of preparation and it more than makes up for his worse mechanics
im kind of tired of leessangrok Completely agreed. JD showed phenomenal control in game 3, but otherwise seemed strategically stagnant for this finals, whereas Stork ideally could use a wide variety of PvT builds to set the pace against Flash.
Dude, Effort is one of the best ZvT players in the world. Especially against bio.
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Why do people put so much effort in responding to people like Lightwip? I suppose everyone's entitled to his opinion, albeit a dumb one, but just don't worry about him. It is highly unlikely you will convince him and it seems like he doesn't have a deep understanding of the game anyway.
Flash is unbelievable. Good series, congrats to the greatest Terran of them all.
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On August 30 2010 03:55 Lebesgue wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 03:15 Lightwip wrote:On August 30 2010 02:36 Trap wrote:
Hopefully we can get a new card next time. I'm not saying these guys played bad, they're amazing players, but watching Flash continually out-strategize the mechanical beast JD while occasionally dropping underwhelming games (game 4) is getting old. Can we get a Zerg who is willing to take some damn risks or try some new TvZ builds? I really wonder if JD considers using a 4-5 pool vs Flash to be beneath him, but considering Flash is known for going 14cc all the damn time, punish him for it. Don't get me wrong, it was a decent series, but as JD is getting older I'm really hoping another Z/P will pick up the slack. I think JD IS too proud to do some serious aggression. He pretty much 12 hatched every time when he really should have just 9 pooled. Effort had the right idea, honestly. Jaedong had the right idea in his final against Fantasy(take advantage of early weakness to negate their strength), but it seems like he lost that somewhere on the way to this final. It seems like getting BBSed and 14CCed didn't really teach Jaedong all that much. On August 30 2010 02:26 AppleTart wrote:On August 30 2010 01:39 Lightwip wrote:On August 29 2010 17:18 vietboi wrote:On August 29 2010 14:52 Lightwip wrote:On August 29 2010 14:35 bluetrolls wrote:On August 29 2010 14:30 Lightwip wrote:On August 29 2010 14:26 yelps wrote:On August 29 2010 13:18 KissBlade wrote:
I really don't understand how can there be any Flash fans. What part of his play do people find so exciting? God, I tried not to watch the finals because I was afraid of jinxing things but I had a stupid sinking feeling the moment I checked this thread. BAH I SAY. This is your opinion. People wonder the same thing about jaedong too I've seen very few people wondering what people like about Jaedong. He's probably the most liked player out of all of them right now. So what is it that makes you like Jaedong? (If you like him). Honestly, the tendency of terrans to just sit with tanks and try to turtle their way through doesn't make me respect them much. I think an S class protoss/zerg is much harder to achieve. So you say that Flash acheivements are easier then example Jaedong and Bisu acheivements? I think its more Flash talent, skill and determination that has made him what he is, not the Terran race. I dont reckon many Terrans winning anything since NaDa or oov. So if turtling with tanks is so much easier then zerg/protoss. Why isnt there any other then flash who has won (as terran) the latest years? I think every race has their pros and cons. Terran has just come alot further then zerg/protoss in the evolution when it comes down to strategy. And they are really using it to their advantage. But dont say that Flash/Boxer/NaDa/Oov acheivements are worth less then for a S-class zerg/protoss. That is simply disrespecting their hard work and determination. The fact that Boxer, Oov, and Nada were bonjwas really does make Flash's achievements less credible. I consider what Savior/Jaedong did and what Bisu/Nal_rA did more important. The fact that so many terrans achieved that status makes me think that it really isn't so hard(relative to toss/zerg of course). On August 29 2010 18:46 KristianJS wrote:On August 29 2010 18:31 dybydx wrote:
funny how someone just said T is boring cause of turtling with tanks when Flash won his games without any tanks and was on the offense. This. I can't even recall seeing a single sieged tank the whole series. A couple of unsieged ones but that's it. Flash played all the games extremely aggressively. I'm not talking about this series of games, but just in general. Flash wasn't actually too bad this set, and I actually didn't hate his TvZ until he decided that you can be gay with tanks in TvZ too. No I don't think it's imba/unfair, but it doesn't make me like them. IMO Jaedong lost because he was stupid enough to let Flash 14CC 6/7 times. On August 29 2010 19:26 darktreb wrote:
Lightwip's ridiculous anti-Flash bias has blinded him completely from making any rational observations. It's one thing to dislike a player, which everyone has a right to do, but it's incredibly annoying when someone is just constantly whipping out stuff that's borderline completely irrelevant.
Plenty of people on TL who dislike Flash are reasonable. Morons like Lightwip are not one of them. I think this is appropriate here. darktreb has a point... Flash has WL, PL, MSL under his belt already. He has triple MSL finals 2 golds with that and has a possibility of triple OSL finals one gold one silver thus far. Triple back to back double star leagues has never happened, let alone double... also his win percentage and elo is the highest in history of BW.... Korean commentators have also declared Flash as beyond-bonjwa. I really think what you are saying is just your own bias. What I stated was the facts. I read what you read and I can't really look up what you said because it's just how you feel. Flash is everywhere, no matter which league you look no matter which interview you read, Flash is there because he is the best all around player bar none. Oh... and I looked back at your old posts and that's really all you do... trash talk Flash. I really wish Flash joined TL and just made a post about how much of a failure you are. It's one thing to be a rabid fan of a player, it's another to be a rabid hater who QQ's all the time. Flash may or may not be the best player, that's an opinion. I certainly don't like him though because I have an innate hate for tanks and turtling. Whether or not he is the best player, being terran is in my opinion easier, as seen by the fact that there's 3. One reason for the abundance of them is probably because terran is easier to make comebacks with. A protoss/zerg comeback is far less likely than a terran one. When Effort made a comeback in that one game against forGG, GGPlay against Iris, Jangbi against Ruby(when he had a few carriers snipe Ruby's last comsat and then he destroyed Ruby's larger army with DT's) and Bisu against Pure/Clam, those were pretty unexpected and required some really impressive play. When Flash won against Jaedong in the WCG or Movie in the OSL(game 1), it really just looked like some tanks(admittedly, BC's too in the game against JD, which IMO should have been killed by ensnare+devourer+ DIVINE WINDDD) and mines getting more kills than they really should get, which simply isn't as impressive/difficult as epic defiler control, epic harass, or somehow opening a magical hole with which to rape someone with DT's. Dont get me wrong, Flash is a good player and I see why people would like him. But to me he's boring and I think that to an extent he's riding on the fraudulence of terran. Just stop posting please. You simply hate Terran race and because Flash is using its potential to the fullest you're Flash hater. If you think mines and siege tank are too powerful let's make Zerg not play with defilers and ultras and Protoss stop using Templars and zealots. Flash is playing Terran as it is meant to be. What do you expect? He should just not siege tanks and let himself be overrun by Protoss or ultras. Terran is defensive race. It's army is super vulnerable if it is not position well. But you don't care about do you? I won't even touch upon stuff you wrote about comebacks. That's just beyond ridiculous. You can hate Terran race and I don't give a crap but please don't let your hate blind you from recognizing sheer skill when you see it
I think this is appropriate here too.
I don't hate the terran race. Admittedly I like it less than protoss and zerg, but I still think it's alright. And I don't hate good terran players, I pretty much like all of them(except Sea, who isn't good enough for me to like him for his play but good enough to beat people I like more. Not that I hate him, just that I probably won't cheer for him).
Flash does have skill, and a lot of it, there's no doubt about that. But by what you're describing, terran is a race where you win if you just defend and don't make mistakes(which an S class really doesn't make most of the time). Protoss and zerg require more than just not leaving holes in defense and splitting the map.
Please calm down. Yes, I hate Flash and think terran requires less skill at a higher level. Maybe you don't agree, but that's really no reason to start throwing insults.
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On August 30 2010 04:13 OneOther wrote:
Good series
You don't mean that. I know you don't mean that. I'll slap you reiko.
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On August 30 2010 03:46 ZonaConcedes wrote:
Maybe I shouldn't complain, because someone is providing the VOD's as a free service. They are doing all the work and we are just sitting on our fat asses doing jack squat. But I still think it needs to be said.
I cannot believe that [a certain VOD provider] COMPLETELY FUCKING CUT OFF the most important part of the tourney - the aftermath of game 5, the celebration, the joy on the winner's face, the agony on the loser's face, the excitement and bright lights and crowds going wild. I can't tell you how much that pisses me off, as a BW spectator and fan. As someone's sig put it - that's like porn without sex. That's like food without flavor, marriage without love, rainbows without color. Why the bloody hell would you do that. You may as well have not provided anything at all.
If you need to ban me for this, then ban me. I'll go down knowing that I stood up for what I thought was right.
yeah where is the ceremony? does this mean it will never be available?
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On August 30 2010 04:13 OneOther wrote:
Why do people put so much effort in responding to people like Lightwip? I suppose everyone's entitled to his opinion, albeit a dumb one, but just don't worry about him. It is highly unlikely you will convince him and it seems like he doesn't have a deep understanding of the game anyway.
Flash is unbelievable. Good series, congrats to the greatest Terran of them all.
sigh.. okay... I'll just leave him and his shallow understanding of the game be -__-. I'll leave the gaming analysis to the progamers.
Oh and Lightwip, you can have your extremely biased opinion, I'll stick with the facts.
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I think this is appropriate here too.
I don't hate the terran race. Admittedly I like it less than protoss and zerg, but I still think it's alright. And I don't hate good terran players, I pretty much like all of them(except Sea, who isn't good enough for me to like him for his play but good enough to beat people I like more. Not that I hate him, just that I probably won't cheer for him).
Flash does have skill, and a lot of it, there's no doubt about that. But by what you're describing, terran is a race where you win if you just defend and don't make mistakes(which an S class really doesn't make most of the time). Protoss and zerg require more than just not leaving holes in defense and splitting the map.
Please calm down. Yes, I hate Flash and think terran requires less skill at a higher level. Maybe you don't agree, but that's really no reason to start throwing insults.
The reason everyone is insulting you (and rightfully so) is because every single one of your posts REEK with bias. No one can take anything you say about flash, terran, or pretty much anything starcraft related seriously.
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On August 30 2010 04:34 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 03:55 Lebesgue wrote:On August 30 2010 03:15 Lightwip wrote:On August 30 2010 02:36 Trap wrote:
Hopefully we can get a new card next time. I'm not saying these guys played bad, they're amazing players, but watching Flash continually out-strategize the mechanical beast JD while occasionally dropping underwhelming games (game 4) is getting old. Can we get a Zerg who is willing to take some damn risks or try some new TvZ builds? I really wonder if JD considers using a 4-5 pool vs Flash to be beneath him, but considering Flash is known for going 14cc all the damn time, punish him for it. Don't get me wrong, it was a decent series, but as JD is getting older I'm really hoping another Z/P will pick up the slack. I think JD IS too proud to do some serious aggression. He pretty much 12 hatched every time when he really should have just 9 pooled. Effort had the right idea, honestly. Jaedong had the right idea in his final against Fantasy(take advantage of early weakness to negate their strength), but it seems like he lost that somewhere on the way to this final. It seems like getting BBSed and 14CCed didn't really teach Jaedong all that much. On August 30 2010 02:26 AppleTart wrote:On August 30 2010 01:39 Lightwip wrote:On August 29 2010 17:18 vietboi wrote:On August 29 2010 14:52 Lightwip wrote:On August 29 2010 14:35 bluetrolls wrote:On August 29 2010 14:30 Lightwip wrote:On August 29 2010 14:26 yelps wrote:
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This is your opinion. People wonder the same thing about jaedong too I've seen very few people wondering what people like about Jaedong. He's probably the most liked player out of all of them right now. So what is it that makes you like Jaedong? (If you like him). Honestly, the tendency of terrans to just sit with tanks and try to turtle their way through doesn't make me respect them much. I think an S class protoss/zerg is much harder to achieve. So you say that Flash acheivements are easier then example Jaedong and Bisu acheivements? I think its more Flash talent, skill and determination that has made him what he is, not the Terran race. I dont reckon many Terrans winning anything since NaDa or oov. So if turtling with tanks is so much easier then zerg/protoss. Why isnt there any other then flash who has won (as terran) the latest years? I think every race has their pros and cons. Terran has just come alot further then zerg/protoss in the evolution when it comes down to strategy. And they are really using it to their advantage. But dont say that Flash/Boxer/NaDa/Oov acheivements are worth less then for a S-class zerg/protoss. That is simply disrespecting their hard work and determination. The fact that Boxer, Oov, and Nada were bonjwas really does make Flash's achievements less credible. I consider what Savior/Jaedong did and what Bisu/Nal_rA did more important. The fact that so many terrans achieved that status makes me think that it really isn't so hard(relative to toss/zerg of course). On August 29 2010 18:46 KristianJS wrote:On August 29 2010 18:31 dybydx wrote:
funny how someone just said T is boring cause of turtling with tanks when Flash won his games without any tanks and was on the offense. This. I can't even recall seeing a single sieged tank the whole series. A couple of unsieged ones but that's it. Flash played all the games extremely aggressively. I'm not talking about this series of games, but just in general. Flash wasn't actually too bad this set, and I actually didn't hate his TvZ until he decided that you can be gay with tanks in TvZ too. No I don't think it's imba/unfair, but it doesn't make me like them. IMO Jaedong lost because he was stupid enough to let Flash 14CC 6/7 times. On August 29 2010 19:26 darktreb wrote:
Lightwip's ridiculous anti-Flash bias has blinded him completely from making any rational observations. It's one thing to dislike a player, which everyone has a right to do, but it's incredibly annoying when someone is just constantly whipping out stuff that's borderline completely irrelevant.
Plenty of people on TL who dislike Flash are reasonable. Morons like Lightwip are not one of them. I think this is appropriate here. darktreb has a point... Flash has WL, PL, MSL under his belt already. He has triple MSL finals 2 golds with that and has a possibility of triple OSL finals one gold one silver thus far. Triple back to back double star leagues has never happened, let alone double... also his win percentage and elo is the highest in history of BW.... Korean commentators have also declared Flash as beyond-bonjwa. I really think what you are saying is just your own bias. What I stated was the facts. I read what you read and I can't really look up what you said because it's just how you feel. Flash is everywhere, no matter which league you look no matter which interview you read, Flash is there because he is the best all around player bar none. Oh... and I looked back at your old posts and that's really all you do... trash talk Flash. I really wish Flash joined TL and just made a post about how much of a failure you are. It's one thing to be a rabid fan of a player, it's another to be a rabid hater who QQ's all the time. Flash may or may not be the best player, that's an opinion. I certainly don't like him though because I have an innate hate for tanks and turtling. Whether or not he is the best player, being terran is in my opinion easier, as seen by the fact that there's 3. One reason for the abundance of them is probably because terran is easier to make comebacks with. A protoss/zerg comeback is far less likely than a terran one. When Effort made a comeback in that one game against forGG, GGPlay against Iris, Jangbi against Ruby(when he had a few carriers snipe Ruby's last comsat and then he destroyed Ruby's larger army with DT's) and Bisu against Pure/Clam, those were pretty unexpected and required some really impressive play. When Flash won against Jaedong in the WCG or Movie in the OSL(game 1), it really just looked like some tanks(admittedly, BC's too in the game against JD, which IMO should have been killed by ensnare+devourer+ DIVINE WINDDD) and mines getting more kills than they really should get, which simply isn't as impressive/difficult as epic defiler control, epic harass, or somehow opening a magical hole with which to rape someone with DT's. Dont get me wrong, Flash is a good player and I see why people would like him. But to me he's boring and I think that to an extent he's riding on the fraudulence of terran. Just stop posting please. You simply hate Terran race and because Flash is using its potential to the fullest you're Flash hater. If you think mines and siege tank are too powerful let's make Zerg not play with defilers and ultras and Protoss stop using Templars and zealots. Flash is playing Terran as it is meant to be. What do you expect? He should just not siege tanks and let himself be overrun by Protoss or ultras. Terran is defensive race. It's army is super vulnerable if it is not position well. But you don't care about do you? I won't even touch upon stuff you wrote about comebacks. That's just beyond ridiculous. You can hate Terran race and I don't give a crap but please don't let your hate blind you from recognizing sheer skill when you see it I think this is appropriate here too.I don't hate the terran race. Admittedly I like it less than protoss and zerg, but I still think it's alright. And I don't hate good terran players, I pretty much like all of them(except Sea, who isn't good enough for me to like him for his play but good enough to beat people I like more. Not that I hate him, just that I probably won't cheer for him). Flash does have skill, and a lot of it, there's no doubt about that. But by what you're describing, terran is a race where you win if you just defend and don't make mistakes(which an S class really doesn't make most of the time). Protoss and zerg require more than just not leaving holes in defense and splitting the map. Please calm down. Yes, I hate Flash and think terran requires less skill at a higher level. Maybe you don't agree, but that's really no reason to start throwing insults.
I am calm. I'm just tired of hearing all the same crap. Terran needs no skill. It is simply siege into gg... And anyone who plays Terran knows it is just pure BS. Terran requires as much skills as any other race. Just look how balanced SC stats are over long timeline. If Terran race was easier to play at the high level then I would expect Terrans to be dominating SC all the time. Yet we don't see it. Unless you imply that T users, and T progamers are worse on average than P anz Z players.
Moreover, Terran of all races requires great sense of timings. You think you can just sit in our base and out up defences are win? Well, then I have to say you have no idea about Terran race. Do you watch TvP. As a Terran you have to hit perfect timings with your pushes. Push to early you are overrun, push too late you're overrun. Again, do you think that when Flash does 3:3 push this is insta win. Just watch many games where his push is crushed. And note that no other Terran can do it as well as him. In bio TvZ you need to be super aggresive as soon as you fend off mutas. How do you expect to stop muta harass without Turrets. Unupgraded MnM just melts to good harass. Finally, metal TvZ was just a response to how difficult is late game for Terran One good swarm and it can be gg... Not to mention that upgraded ultras are super powerful against MnM and they just tear through them.
Bottom line, no race is easier than the other at the highest level. The feature of great players is that they make they race over-powered. That's why they are so amazing.
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On August 30 2010 05:09 Lebesgue wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 04:34 Lightwip wrote:On August 30 2010 03:55 Lebesgue wrote:On August 30 2010 03:15 Lightwip wrote:On August 30 2010 02:36 Trap wrote:
Hopefully we can get a new card next time. I'm not saying these guys played bad, they're amazing players, but watching Flash continually out-strategize the mechanical beast JD while occasionally dropping underwhelming games (game 4) is getting old. Can we get a Zerg who is willing to take some damn risks or try some new TvZ builds? I really wonder if JD considers using a 4-5 pool vs Flash to be beneath him, but considering Flash is known for going 14cc all the damn time, punish him for it. Don't get me wrong, it was a decent series, but as JD is getting older I'm really hoping another Z/P will pick up the slack. I think JD IS too proud to do some serious aggression. He pretty much 12 hatched every time when he really should have just 9 pooled. Effort had the right idea, honestly. Jaedong had the right idea in his final against Fantasy(take advantage of early weakness to negate their strength), but it seems like he lost that somewhere on the way to this final. It seems like getting BBSed and 14CCed didn't really teach Jaedong all that much. On August 30 2010 02:26 AppleTart wrote:On August 30 2010 01:39 Lightwip wrote:On August 29 2010 17:18 vietboi wrote:On August 29 2010 14:52 Lightwip wrote:On August 29 2010 14:35 bluetrolls wrote:On August 29 2010 14:30 Lightwip wrote:
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I've seen very few people wondering what people like about Jaedong. He's probably the most liked player out of all of them right now. So what is it that makes you like Jaedong? (If you like him). Honestly, the tendency of terrans to just sit with tanks and try to turtle their way through doesn't make me respect them much. I think an S class protoss/zerg is much harder to achieve. So you say that Flash acheivements are easier then example Jaedong and Bisu acheivements? I think its more Flash talent, skill and determination that has made him what he is, not the Terran race. I dont reckon many Terrans winning anything since NaDa or oov. So if turtling with tanks is so much easier then zerg/protoss. Why isnt there any other then flash who has won (as terran) the latest years? I think every race has their pros and cons. Terran has just come alot further then zerg/protoss in the evolution when it comes down to strategy. And they are really using it to their advantage. But dont say that Flash/Boxer/NaDa/Oov acheivements are worth less then for a S-class zerg/protoss. That is simply disrespecting their hard work and determination. The fact that Boxer, Oov, and Nada were bonjwas really does make Flash's achievements less credible. I consider what Savior/Jaedong did and what Bisu/Nal_rA did more important. The fact that so many terrans achieved that status makes me think that it really isn't so hard(relative to toss/zerg of course). On August 29 2010 18:46 KristianJS wrote:On August 29 2010 18:31 dybydx wrote:
funny how someone just said T is boring cause of turtling with tanks when Flash won his games without any tanks and was on the offense. This. I can't even recall seeing a single sieged tank the whole series. A couple of unsieged ones but that's it. Flash played all the games extremely aggressively. I'm not talking about this series of games, but just in general. Flash wasn't actually too bad this set, and I actually didn't hate his TvZ until he decided that you can be gay with tanks in TvZ too. No I don't think it's imba/unfair, but it doesn't make me like them. IMO Jaedong lost because he was stupid enough to let Flash 14CC 6/7 times. On August 29 2010 19:26 darktreb wrote:
Lightwip's ridiculous anti-Flash bias has blinded him completely from making any rational observations. It's one thing to dislike a player, which everyone has a right to do, but it's incredibly annoying when someone is just constantly whipping out stuff that's borderline completely irrelevant.
Plenty of people on TL who dislike Flash are reasonable. Morons like Lightwip are not one of them. I think this is appropriate here. darktreb has a point... Flash has WL, PL, MSL under his belt already. He has triple MSL finals 2 golds with that and has a possibility of triple OSL finals one gold one silver thus far. Triple back to back double star leagues has never happened, let alone double... also his win percentage and elo is the highest in history of BW.... Korean commentators have also declared Flash as beyond-bonjwa. I really think what you are saying is just your own bias. What I stated was the facts. I read what you read and I can't really look up what you said because it's just how you feel. Flash is everywhere, no matter which league you look no matter which interview you read, Flash is there because he is the best all around player bar none. Oh... and I looked back at your old posts and that's really all you do... trash talk Flash. I really wish Flash joined TL and just made a post about how much of a failure you are. It's one thing to be a rabid fan of a player, it's another to be a rabid hater who QQ's all the time. Flash may or may not be the best player, that's an opinion. I certainly don't like him though because I have an innate hate for tanks and turtling. Whether or not he is the best player, being terran is in my opinion easier, as seen by the fact that there's 3. One reason for the abundance of them is probably because terran is easier to make comebacks with. A protoss/zerg comeback is far less likely than a terran one. When Effort made a comeback in that one game against forGG, GGPlay against Iris, Jangbi against Ruby(when he had a few carriers snipe Ruby's last comsat and then he destroyed Ruby's larger army with DT's) and Bisu against Pure/Clam, those were pretty unexpected and required some really impressive play. When Flash won against Jaedong in the WCG or Movie in the OSL(game 1), it really just looked like some tanks(admittedly, BC's too in the game against JD, which IMO should have been killed by ensnare+devourer+ DIVINE WINDDD) and mines getting more kills than they really should get, which simply isn't as impressive/difficult as epic defiler control, epic harass, or somehow opening a magical hole with which to rape someone with DT's. Dont get me wrong, Flash is a good player and I see why people would like him. But to me he's boring and I think that to an extent he's riding on the fraudulence of terran. Just stop posting please. You simply hate Terran race and because Flash is using its potential to the fullest you're Flash hater. If you think mines and siege tank are too powerful let's make Zerg not play with defilers and ultras and Protoss stop using Templars and zealots. Flash is playing Terran as it is meant to be. What do you expect? He should just not siege tanks and let himself be overrun by Protoss or ultras. Terran is defensive race. It's army is super vulnerable if it is not position well. But you don't care about do you? I won't even touch upon stuff you wrote about comebacks. That's just beyond ridiculous. You can hate Terran race and I don't give a crap but please don't let your hate blind you from recognizing sheer skill when you see it I think this is appropriate here too.I don't hate the terran race. Admittedly I like it less than protoss and zerg, but I still think it's alright. And I don't hate good terran players, I pretty much like all of them(except Sea, who isn't good enough for me to like him for his play but good enough to beat people I like more. Not that I hate him, just that I probably won't cheer for him). Flash does have skill, and a lot of it, there's no doubt about that. But by what you're describing, terran is a race where you win if you just defend and don't make mistakes(which an S class really doesn't make most of the time). Protoss and zerg require more than just not leaving holes in defense and splitting the map. Please calm down. Yes, I hate Flash and think terran requires less skill at a higher level. Maybe you don't agree, but that's really no reason to start throwing insults. I am calm. I'm just tired of hearing all the same crap. Terran needs no skill. It is simply siege into gg... And anyone who plays Terran knows it is just pure BS. Terran requires as much skills as any other race. Just look how balanced SC stats are over long timeline. If Terran race was easier to play at the high level then I would expect Terrans to be dominating SC all the time. Yet we don't see it. Unless you imply that T users, and T progamers are worse on average than P anz Z players. Moreover, Terran of all races requires great sense of timings. You think you can just sit in our base and out up defences are win? Well, then I have to say you have no idea about Terran race. Do you watch TvP. As a Terran you have to hit perfect timings with your pushes. Push to early you are overrun, push too late you're overrun. Again, do you think that when Flash does 3:3 push this is insta win. Just watch many games where his push is crushed. And note that no other Terran can do it as well as him. In bio TvZ you need to be super aggresive as soon as you fend off mutas. How do you expect to stop muta harass without Turrets. Unupgraded MnM just melts to good harass. Finally, metal TvZ was just a response to how difficult is late game for Terran One good swarm and it can be gg... Not to mention that upgraded ultras are super powerful against MnM and they just tear through them. Bottom line, no race is easier than the other at the highest level. The feature of great players is that they make they race over-powered. That's why they are so amazing.
Terrans are dominating SC...
They won more trophies than any other race.
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On August 30 2010 05:10 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 05:09 Lebesgue wrote:On August 30 2010 04:34 Lightwip wrote:On August 30 2010 03:55 Lebesgue wrote:On August 30 2010 03:15 Lightwip wrote:On August 30 2010 02:36 Trap wrote:
Hopefully we can get a new card next time. I'm not saying these guys played bad, they're amazing players, but watching Flash continually out-strategize the mechanical beast JD while occasionally dropping underwhelming games (game 4) is getting old. Can we get a Zerg who is willing to take some damn risks or try some new TvZ builds? I really wonder if JD considers using a 4-5 pool vs Flash to be beneath him, but considering Flash is known for going 14cc all the damn time, punish him for it. Don't get me wrong, it was a decent series, but as JD is getting older I'm really hoping another Z/P will pick up the slack. I think JD IS too proud to do some serious aggression. He pretty much 12 hatched every time when he really should have just 9 pooled. Effort had the right idea, honestly. Jaedong had the right idea in his final against Fantasy(take advantage of early weakness to negate their strength), but it seems like he lost that somewhere on the way to this final. It seems like getting BBSed and 14CCed didn't really teach Jaedong all that much. On August 30 2010 02:26 AppleTart wrote:On August 30 2010 01:39 Lightwip wrote:On August 29 2010 17:18 vietboi wrote:On August 29 2010 14:52 Lightwip wrote:On August 29 2010 14:35 bluetrolls wrote:
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So what is it that makes you like Jaedong? (If you like him). Honestly, the tendency of terrans to just sit with tanks and try to turtle their way through doesn't make me respect them much. I think an S class protoss/zerg is much harder to achieve. So you say that Flash acheivements are easier then example Jaedong and Bisu acheivements? I think its more Flash talent, skill and determination that has made him what he is, not the Terran race. I dont reckon many Terrans winning anything since NaDa or oov. So if turtling with tanks is so much easier then zerg/protoss. Why isnt there any other then flash who has won (as terran) the latest years? I think every race has their pros and cons. Terran has just come alot further then zerg/protoss in the evolution when it comes down to strategy. And they are really using it to their advantage. But dont say that Flash/Boxer/NaDa/Oov acheivements are worth less then for a S-class zerg/protoss. That is simply disrespecting their hard work and determination. The fact that Boxer, Oov, and Nada were bonjwas really does make Flash's achievements less credible. I consider what Savior/Jaedong did and what Bisu/Nal_rA did more important. The fact that so many terrans achieved that status makes me think that it really isn't so hard(relative to toss/zerg of course). On August 29 2010 18:46 KristianJS wrote:On August 29 2010 18:31 dybydx wrote:
funny how someone just said T is boring cause of turtling with tanks when Flash won his games without any tanks and was on the offense. This. I can't even recall seeing a single sieged tank the whole series. A couple of unsieged ones but that's it. Flash played all the games extremely aggressively. I'm not talking about this series of games, but just in general. Flash wasn't actually too bad this set, and I actually didn't hate his TvZ until he decided that you can be gay with tanks in TvZ too. No I don't think it's imba/unfair, but it doesn't make me like them. IMO Jaedong lost because he was stupid enough to let Flash 14CC 6/7 times. On August 29 2010 19:26 darktreb wrote:
Lightwip's ridiculous anti-Flash bias has blinded him completely from making any rational observations. It's one thing to dislike a player, which everyone has a right to do, but it's incredibly annoying when someone is just constantly whipping out stuff that's borderline completely irrelevant.
Plenty of people on TL who dislike Flash are reasonable. Morons like Lightwip are not one of them. I think this is appropriate here. darktreb has a point... Flash has WL, PL, MSL under his belt already. He has triple MSL finals 2 golds with that and has a possibility of triple OSL finals one gold one silver thus far. Triple back to back double star leagues has never happened, let alone double... also his win percentage and elo is the highest in history of BW.... Korean commentators have also declared Flash as beyond-bonjwa. I really think what you are saying is just your own bias. What I stated was the facts. I read what you read and I can't really look up what you said because it's just how you feel. Flash is everywhere, no matter which league you look no matter which interview you read, Flash is there because he is the best all around player bar none. Oh... and I looked back at your old posts and that's really all you do... trash talk Flash. I really wish Flash joined TL and just made a post about how much of a failure you are. It's one thing to be a rabid fan of a player, it's another to be a rabid hater who QQ's all the time. Flash may or may not be the best player, that's an opinion. I certainly don't like him though because I have an innate hate for tanks and turtling. Whether or not he is the best player, being terran is in my opinion easier, as seen by the fact that there's 3. One reason for the abundance of them is probably because terran is easier to make comebacks with. A protoss/zerg comeback is far less likely than a terran one. When Effort made a comeback in that one game against forGG, GGPlay against Iris, Jangbi against Ruby(when he had a few carriers snipe Ruby's last comsat and then he destroyed Ruby's larger army with DT's) and Bisu against Pure/Clam, those were pretty unexpected and required some really impressive play. When Flash won against Jaedong in the WCG or Movie in the OSL(game 1), it really just looked like some tanks(admittedly, BC's too in the game against JD, which IMO should have been killed by ensnare+devourer+ DIVINE WINDDD) and mines getting more kills than they really should get, which simply isn't as impressive/difficult as epic defiler control, epic harass, or somehow opening a magical hole with which to rape someone with DT's. Dont get me wrong, Flash is a good player and I see why people would like him. But to me he's boring and I think that to an extent he's riding on the fraudulence of terran. Just stop posting please. You simply hate Terran race and because Flash is using its potential to the fullest you're Flash hater. If you think mines and siege tank are too powerful let's make Zerg not play with defilers and ultras and Protoss stop using Templars and zealots. Flash is playing Terran as it is meant to be. What do you expect? He should just not siege tanks and let himself be overrun by Protoss or ultras. Terran is defensive race. It's army is super vulnerable if it is not position well. But you don't care about do you? I won't even touch upon stuff you wrote about comebacks. That's just beyond ridiculous. You can hate Terran race and I don't give a crap but please don't let your hate blind you from recognizing sheer skill when you see it I think this is appropriate here too.I don't hate the terran race. Admittedly I like it less than protoss and zerg, but I still think it's alright. And I don't hate good terran players, I pretty much like all of them(except Sea, who isn't good enough for me to like him for his play but good enough to beat people I like more. Not that I hate him, just that I probably won't cheer for him). Flash does have skill, and a lot of it, there's no doubt about that. But by what you're describing, terran is a race where you win if you just defend and don't make mistakes(which an S class really doesn't make most of the time). Protoss and zerg require more than just not leaving holes in defense and splitting the map. Please calm down. Yes, I hate Flash and think terran requires less skill at a higher level. Maybe you don't agree, but that's really no reason to start throwing insults. I am calm. I'm just tired of hearing all the same crap. Terran needs no skill. It is simply siege into gg... And anyone who plays Terran knows it is just pure BS. Terran requires as much skills as any other race. Just look how balanced SC stats are over long timeline. If Terran race was easier to play at the high level then I would expect Terrans to be dominating SC all the time. Yet we don't see it. Unless you imply that T users, and T progamers are worse on average than P anz Z players. Moreover, Terran of all races requires great sense of timings. You think you can just sit in our base and out up defences are win? Well, then I have to say you have no idea about Terran race. Do you watch TvP. As a Terran you have to hit perfect timings with your pushes. Push to early you are overrun, push too late you're overrun. Again, do you think that when Flash does 3:3 push this is insta win. Just watch many games where his push is crushed. And note that no other Terran can do it as well as him. In bio TvZ you need to be super aggresive as soon as you fend off mutas. How do you expect to stop muta harass without Turrets. Unupgraded MnM just melts to good harass. Finally, metal TvZ was just a response to how difficult is late game for Terran One good swarm and it can be gg... Not to mention that upgraded ultras are super powerful against MnM and they just tear through them. Bottom line, no race is easier than the other at the highest level. The feature of great players is that they make they race over-powered. That's why they are so amazing. Terrans are dominating SC... They won more trophies than any other race.
Yeah but like 80% of those Terran wins came from like 3 godly people lol...
Also, since the last terran Bonjwa, zerg and protoss beat the shit out of everyone until Flash stepped in.
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On August 30 2010 03:55 Lebesgue wrote:Just stop posting please. You simply hate Terran race and because Flash is using its potential to the fullest you're Flash hater.
If you think mines and siege tank are too powerful let's make Zerg not play with defilers and ultras and Protoss stop using Templars and zealots. Flash is playing Terran as it is meant to be. What do you expect? He should just not siege tanks and let himself be overrun by Protoss or ultras. Terran is defensive race. It's army is super vulnerable if it is not position well. But you don't care about do you?
I won't even touch upon stuff you wrote about comebacks. That's just beyond ridiculous.
You can hate Terran race and I don't give a crap but please don't let your hate blind you from recognizing sheer skill when you see it
I'm not really familiar with his posting history, but I suspect that he thinks that siege tanks / mines should do slightly less damage or have slightly less range, rather than suggesting that Terran players should not be able to use them.
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