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Xkalibert
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1404 Posts
August 28 2010 12:24 GMT
#3441
On August 28 2010 20:49 Sea.JustGod wrote:
what's the name of the song???



faber drive- I'll be there
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
August 28 2010 12:25 GMT
#3442
--- Nuked ---
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
August 28 2010 12:26 GMT
#3443
On August 28 2010 21:25 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 21:18 Severedevil wrote:
On August 28 2010 21:14 Pvvned wrote:
On August 28 2010 21:11 deafhobbit wrote:
On August 28 2010 21:02 Goragoth wrote:
If anyone has any example games of 12hat winning against 14cc (excluding aggressive zergling all-in followups like EffOrt did in the OSL final) I would be very interested to see some VODs. It really looks like it is virtually impossible because Terran ends up with such a strong early mid-game push off two bases that seems unstoppable for Zerg.


Except i think efforts play in that OSL was the perfect response. I don't think committing to a kill attempt is necessary, but spamming zerglings to punish the 14cc seems like a solid response.

Zerglings seem to be about the only viable response out there to end it in the early game. Anything else will just get raped in the mid/late-game (barring mishaps from the terran or absolute perfect execution from the zerg).

I don't think the problem is or ever was 14CC, with or without scouting.

It's the maps that allow Terran a perfect wall-in with 2 depots and a barracks. On such a map, Terran doesn't need any defense for the first five minutes of the game.

I still want to see JD drone scout --> 4 hatch before pool against Flash's scout --> 14 CC, but w/e.


no need for 4hatch. tech is too late and you dont need all that extra larvae. plus terran can do damage with the extremely late pool.

3hatch before pool is already a soft counter to 14cc anyways
Not really.

It's more like "break even".
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 28 2010 12:26 GMT
#3444
anyone doing the interview?
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
August 28 2010 12:26 GMT
#3445
On August 28 2010 21:25 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 21:18 Severedevil wrote:
On August 28 2010 21:14 Pvvned wrote:
On August 28 2010 21:11 deafhobbit wrote:
On August 28 2010 21:02 Goragoth wrote:
If anyone has any example games of 12hat winning against 14cc (excluding aggressive zergling all-in followups like EffOrt did in the OSL final) I would be very interested to see some VODs. It really looks like it is virtually impossible because Terran ends up with such a strong early mid-game push off two bases that seems unstoppable for Zerg.


Except i think efforts play in that OSL was the perfect response. I don't think committing to a kill attempt is necessary, but spamming zerglings to punish the 14cc seems like a solid response.

Zerglings seem to be about the only viable response out there to end it in the early game. Anything else will just get raped in the mid/late-game (barring mishaps from the terran or absolute perfect execution from the zerg).

I don't think the problem is or ever was 14CC, with or without scouting.

It's the maps that allow Terran a perfect wall-in with 2 depots and a barracks. On such a map, Terran doesn't need any defense for the first five minutes of the game.

I still want to see JD drone scout --> 4 hatch before pool against Flash's scout --> 14 CC, but w/e.


no need for 4hatch. tech is too late and you dont need all that extra larvae. plus terran can do damage with the extremely late pool.

3hatch before pool is already a soft counter to 14cc anyways


3hatch before pool is a soft counter to rax expand...
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
August 28 2010 12:30 GMT
#3446
On August 28 2010 21:26 nayumi wrote:
anyone doing the interview?

I think smix is.
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
August 28 2010 12:32 GMT
#3447
After set 2 everyone was expecting a 3-0 for Flash and an early bedtime. Then Set 3 & 4 happened and the hype went through the roof. The LR thread got two pages a minute. BW forever (:
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8174 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 12:33:27
August 28 2010 12:32 GMT
#3448
if JD 4pooled every game he would of won :\

Hopefully in the OSL final JD won't get PR twice again -_-
Free Palestine
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 28 2010 12:34 GMT
#3449
On August 28 2010 21:30 King K. Rool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 21:26 nayumi wrote:
anyone doing the interview?

I think smix is.

oh yea flash won what was i thinking ? hehe
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
shalafi
Profile Joined July 2008
394 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 12:34:18
August 28 2010 12:34 GMT
#3450
I just see:

JD won every game on the maps with <55% TvZ win ratio. Flash did on the ones >55%.
Wonders
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Australia753 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 12:37:09
August 28 2010 12:34 GMT
#3451
On August 28 2010 21:26 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 21:25 krndandaman wrote:
On August 28 2010 21:18 Severedevil wrote:
On August 28 2010 21:14 Pvvned wrote:
On August 28 2010 21:11 deafhobbit wrote:
On August 28 2010 21:02 Goragoth wrote:
If anyone has any example games of 12hat winning against 14cc (excluding aggressive zergling all-in followups like EffOrt did in the OSL final) I would be very interested to see some VODs. It really looks like it is virtually impossible because Terran ends up with such a strong early mid-game push off two bases that seems unstoppable for Zerg.


Except i think efforts play in that OSL was the perfect response. I don't think committing to a kill attempt is necessary, but spamming zerglings to punish the 14cc seems like a solid response.

Zerglings seem to be about the only viable response out there to end it in the early game. Anything else will just get raped in the mid/late-game (barring mishaps from the terran or absolute perfect execution from the zerg).

I don't think the problem is or ever was 14CC, with or without scouting.

It's the maps that allow Terran a perfect wall-in with 2 depots and a barracks. On such a map, Terran doesn't need any defense for the first five minutes of the game.

I still want to see JD drone scout --> 4 hatch before pool against Flash's scout --> 14 CC, but w/e.


no need for 4hatch. tech is too late and you dont need all that extra larvae. plus terran can do damage with the extremely late pool.

3hatch before pool is already a soft counter to 14cc anyways


3hatch before pool is a soft counter to rax expand...


I really don't think so. Rax finishes when the pool starts, just like for 8 rax vs 12 hatch 11 pool. The difference is that the terran won't be scouting so aggressively and the rax will be in the main, but on the other hand the economic disparity isn't as great. If terran scouts it first then he can pressure with marines and more than make back the economic disadvantage. If zerg scouts 13cc first he can't do anything.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
August 28 2010 12:36 GMT
#3452
On August 28 2010 21:34 shalafi wrote:
I just see:

JD won every game on the maps with <55% TvZ win ratio. Flash did on the ones >55%.


ace analysis of these games brah
RIP Aaliyah
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
August 28 2010 12:42 GMT
#3453
They better have Flight-Dreamliner as the ace map in OSL.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
August 28 2010 12:42 GMT
#3454
On August 28 2010 21:42 Lightwip wrote:
They better have Flight-Dreamliner as the ace map in OSL.

And Battle Royale as the second set?
My strategy is to fork people.
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
August 28 2010 12:46 GMT
#3455
Looking forward to next month`s Power Rank!
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
August 28 2010 12:52 GMT
#3456
On August 28 2010 21:46 Grend wrote:
Looking forward to next month`s Power Rank!


thats so mean...
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
August 28 2010 12:55 GMT
#3457
Yesssss, so happy for Flash! JD played well too though so credit to him.


Overall great finals imo. When Flash lost the 4th set like that I nearly shat myself in fear of another effort-repeat. Spent the whole 5th set screaming non-stop "Flash I believe in you, push out hard!!!" etc. haha.
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
August 28 2010 13:04 GMT
#3458
Imo i think that 4 hatch before pool would have been genius since i guess flash would revert back to mech for the 5th set to try to take the win. He most probably choked after realising that wasnt the case though :/. Hope jd can mix up his plays with more aggresive ling openings, it pisses me so much that flash gets away with 14cc so much times
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
August 28 2010 13:12 GMT
#3459
On August 28 2010 21:09 BloodDrunK wrote:
so this win means Flash is back on top of PR next month right?


Unless he gets raped in the OSL
:)
Cheeseburgered
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States716 Posts
August 28 2010 13:13 GMT
#3460
i had time to see game 5 and i thought flash was gonna lose but then realized jaedong wasn't facing fantasy or light who like to not build defense
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