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Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 14:23:19
August 28 2010 14:22 GMT
#3481
On August 28 2010 23:10 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 23:03 Womwomwom wrote:


A side note: I think your sig needs some updating...


You're right. With the JD/Flash rivalry I should remove Flash since it's near impossible to root for both now.


Or you know you could not be a fanboy and enjoy the games and both players for their true merit. If all you care about the result, you're missing out on a lot of good stuff...even if the series was boring and not particularly interesting Flash (map imbalance aside, Flash's build orders were really sick) and Jaedong had some really cool plays especially with his hive tech.
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
August 28 2010 14:35 GMT
#3482
Why complain about TvZ map imbalances when you've got Dreamliner in the OSL

3-10 TvZ. That's 23%... how the hell can TvZ be so damn imba if you can get to a damn 23% lolll


The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
August 28 2010 14:38 GMT
#3483
On August 28 2010 23:35 Wings wrote:
Why complain about TvZ map imbalances when you've got Dreamliner in the OSL

3-10 TvZ. That's 23%... how the hell can TvZ be so damn imba if you can get to a damn 23% lolll




Did you start watching starcraft yesterday?
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
August 28 2010 14:49 GMT
#3484
ROFL @ angry fanboys

well played Flash!
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
August 28 2010 14:57 GMT
#3485
I'm glad I woke up to this
always tired -_-
Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
August 28 2010 15:01 GMT
#3486
On August 28 2010 22:24 grax wrote:
Games 1 and 3 were really good. JD could've had game 5 and the series.

On the up-side, at least Flash fans can't enjoy Flash's games as much as JD fans enjoy JD's, since Zerg is an inherently more interesting race that requires flanking and beautiful orchestration to succeed.


What a bitter, bitter person you must be to say things like that.
nextstep
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada705 Posts
August 28 2010 15:01 GMT
#3487
woot! go Flash!
go KHAN! TBLS <3
cujo2k
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada1044 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 15:14:02
August 28 2010 15:13 GMT
#3488
Two fairly equal players but maps decided the result. If FS was the ace map, It would've been a better game 5 to watch.
THE ANSWER IS 288
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6185 Posts
August 28 2010 15:21 GMT
#3489
GG Flash, you deserve it !!!

now OSL
n_n
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
August 28 2010 15:31 GMT
#3490
On August 29 2010 00:13 cujo2k wrote:
Two fairly equal players but maps decided the result. If FS was the ace map, It would've been a better game 5 to watch.


Agreed. Flash is too good to lose to any early game shit and his MnM control is too good to die to mutas. With such an imbalanced map pool and that stupid bio --> mech switch a possibility, Jaedong only (and predictable) choice was to prepare risky high econ builds that set him up for a better engame. Flash obviously anticipated this and just won outright with 2 timing pushes the first 2 games. The last game was really close, and I have to feel jaedong would have had a really good shot at taking it if flash wasn't macroing behind the economy of a 14CC.

Btw who the fuck decides which map is used twice? It has to be randomly chosen, right? theres no way any1 would be stupid enough to choose such a shitty map as the ace match when you have fighting spirit, which is near 50%
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
FlydRaLiSK
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada110 Posts
August 28 2010 15:32 GMT
#3491
On August 29 2010 00:13 cujo2k wrote:
Two fairly equal players but maps decided the result. If FS was the ace map, It would've been a better game 5 to watch.


agreed 100%, as i said earlier i think the map imba really was the deciding factor here. not to say flash isnt a good player; just the opposite. i expected him to win both the first sets, and shit, he won with some fucking crazy timing attacks.. unfortunately I think the maps (especially on oddeye 3) made them a bit better than they were, but im not so sure jaedong would have done much better vs those timing attacks on any other map.

The sad thing is that polaris is quite imbalanced and yet it was the ace map >_< as you said, if FS was the ace map, it would have been much more interesting. Flash may very well have won anyways, but im quite disappointed in the map pools this time around.

Anyways, gg to both players... As much as I hate to say it (as a jaedong fan).. Flash definitely deserves it.
im gay
Insight
Profile Joined December 2009
19 Posts
August 28 2010 15:37 GMT
#3492
I'd like to use Flash haters' tears as lube
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1982 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 15:41:19
August 28 2010 15:38 GMT
#3493
I feel that Jaedong lost in set 5 purely because he tried to stay on lair tech to get around the likely bio -> mech transition that every terran does on Polaris Rhapsody.

Why complain about TvZ map imbalances when you've got Dreamliner in the OSL

3-10 TvZ. That's 23%... how the hell can TvZ be so damn imba if you can get to a damn 23% lolll


Odd-Eye 77.8% winrate tvz = 22.2% winrate zvt.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
August 28 2010 15:47 GMT
#3494
On August 28 2010 07:44 OpticalShot wrote:
I forgot who I LB'd but I'm predicting a 3-2 FLASH victory (yes, Flash is going to win game 5).

I woke up to find my predictions to be true. GJ FLASH!
[TLMS] REBOOT
JIJIyO
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1957 Posts
August 28 2010 15:51 GMT
#3495
Mad gay yo =( JD for OSL!!!
KT_Violet
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 28 2010 15:52 GMT
#3496
The winner had so much advantage in this situation, that anything worse than 3-1 means on equal ground he would have lost. Still, congratulations to him!
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
August 28 2010 15:55 GMT
#3497
On August 29 2010 00:38 Garrl wrote:
I feel that Jaedong lost in set 5 purely because he tried to stay on lair tech to get around the likely bio -> mech transition that every terran does on Polaris Rhapsody.

Show nested quote +
Why complain about TvZ map imbalances when you've got Dreamliner in the OSL

3-10 TvZ. That's 23%... how the hell can TvZ be so damn imba if you can get to a damn 23% lolll


Odd-Eye 77.8% winrate tvz = 22.2% winrate zvt.


If you saw the games that were played there, the skill diffrence in the players is huge.
When there's Flash there's a way.
FirstProbe
Profile Joined June 2004
1206 Posts
August 28 2010 15:56 GMT
#3498
So many idiots in this thread. I bet you Jaedong wouldn't blame the maps, so you should stop it too.
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
August 28 2010 16:07 GMT
#3499
I'm a Jaedong fan here and you other Jaedong fanboys need to stop bitching at the maps.



Flash was clearly more prepared for this finals than Jaedong.


All the games Flash won were from perfectly executed build orders. Flash was flawless.


Jaedong's grit took it to 5 games. But Flash had the better builds.
We decide our own destiny
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
August 28 2010 16:08 GMT
#3500
If Flash takes this next OSL, I'll call him a bonjwa.
We decide our own destiny
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