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durza
Profile Joined August 2009
United States667 Posts
August 21 2010 06:02 GMT
#1321
On August 21 2010 15:00 Geo.Rion wrote:
damn, im just tuning in, i missed half of the series.
Were the matches good so far?

Matches have all been really good, game 1, and 4 were short games involving mental victories from jdong Games 2-3 were long games in which both players played really well, though in both light was able to pull slightly ahead.
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
August 21 2010 06:02 GMT
#1322
On August 21 2010 14:59 Tippereth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 14:56 matjlav wrote:
On August 21 2010 14:54 Devolved wrote:
So sick. Now just don't choke in the final game...


After watching these games, you still imply that JD would have to "choke" to lose to Light? -_-

fanboys will be fanboys, I suppose.

Because Jaedong is the better player, a fantastic series aside?


fanboys will be fanboys, I suppose.
Tippereth
Profile Joined December 2009
United States252 Posts
August 21 2010 06:03 GMT
#1323
On August 21 2010 15:00 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 14:59 Harem wrote:
On August 21 2010 14:58 Emon_ wrote:
Doesnt ensnare diminish the attack rate of Goliaths by 50%?

Goliaths are one of the few units not affected by Ensnare in terms of firing rate.

Because of the no firing animation on the missiles, right?

Goliaths don't actually shoot, the turret unit shoots. Tanks are the same way, but I'm unsure of ensnare affects their rate of fire, but I would guess it does.
NobleHelium
Profile Joined May 2010
United States82 Posts
August 21 2010 06:03 GMT
#1324
On August 21 2010 15:00 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 14:59 Harem wrote:
On August 21 2010 14:58 Emon_ wrote:
Doesnt ensnare diminish the attack rate of Goliaths by 50%?

Goliaths are one of the few units not affected by Ensnare in terms of firing rate.

Because of the no firing animation on the missiles, right?


Goliaths (and tanks) are actually two units. They have a body part and a turret part. The turret part attacks, the body part gets ensnared. So the attack rate doesn't get reduced.
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
August 21 2010 06:03 GMT
#1325
On August 21 2010 15:02 Dromar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 14:59 KumquatExpress wrote:
So why is it when Jaedong wins without doing anything, he wins the entire world over and then some, and when Light wins "without doing anything," he's a villain?


1. It's way more exciting when Zerg wins.
2. Nobody would choose Flash v Light over Flash v Jaedong.

1. LOL what? That statement is subjective.
2. Well after watching Fantasy vs Flash and seeing how epic TvT can be I actually don't mind a TvT finals, although either are okay for me.
Tippereth
Profile Joined December 2009
United States252 Posts
August 21 2010 06:03 GMT
#1326
On August 21 2010 15:02 matjlav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 14:59 Tippereth wrote:
On August 21 2010 14:56 matjlav wrote:
On August 21 2010 14:54 Devolved wrote:
So sick. Now just don't choke in the final game...


After watching these games, you still imply that JD would have to "choke" to lose to Light? -_-

fanboys will be fanboys, I suppose.

Because Jaedong is the better player, a fantastic series aside?


fanboys will be fanboys, I suppose.

Yes, like yourself thinking that Light is on par with the Dong.
new_construct
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Canada1041 Posts
August 21 2010 06:03 GMT
#1327
light has more chance if he is in the finals against flash, jd even had trouble taking down light, and Flash has seen all of jd's build so yeah, i want a flashlight final for a close series. Really don't want to see jd getting embarrssed again....
Danger_Duck
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Burkina Faso571 Posts
August 21 2010 06:03 GMT
#1328
On August 21 2010 15:00 moopie wrote:
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On August 21 2010 14:58 Vivi57 wrote:
On August 21 2010 14:56 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On August 21 2010 14:54 Lightwip wrote:
Maybe queens will become standard one day.
Ensnare has so many applications, cc has a few, and so does broodling.


Pros have discussed it before that proper queen usage mixed in with the army is simply too apm intensive. Couple that with the fact that getting enough energy to spawn broodling takes quite a while and they're not the best unit out there. They can get some fun play out of them from time to time, but nothing standard.

Someday, flash's apm will be slow by the then standards. Then queens will be standard.

Flash's apm isn't that high to begin with. Hyuk and Effort have high APM, shame they often don't do anything with it


Lol, I recall Hyuk peaking his APM while losing
TBA
cunninglinguists
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States925 Posts
August 21 2010 06:04 GMT
#1329
Players like Jaedong, Zero, Flash and Firebathero are entertaining for me to watch because you can see their character through their game. Jaedong is the monster who will seriously fuck you up. Flash is that precise, mechanical machine that will rip you apart. Zero is that BM little kid who will kick ass, and then do a little Guardian dance to show off to the crowd. FBH is, well, FBH.

Too many players are stone-faced and hold their emotions too tightly. For me at least, players like Light and Forgg are really good players, but hard to cheer for. They just don't allow themselves to be empathized with. That's the difference between someone like JD and many others--through watching his games, I can sublimely feel what he feels. His infested command center is just screaming 'Yo fuck you' to not only his opponent, but is broadcasted to the audience too.

JD fighting!
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
August 21 2010 06:04 GMT
#1330
glgl
One ring, to rule them all!
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51709 Posts
August 21 2010 06:04 GMT
#1331
FOR LIGHT GIRL
Commentator
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
August 21 2010 06:04 GMT
#1332
same positions as last time

DON'T FUCKING 14CC LIGHT
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
Savant
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States379 Posts
August 21 2010 06:04 GMT
#1333
light right here
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
August 21 2010 06:04 GMT
#1334
On August 21 2010 15:03 Tippereth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:02 matjlav wrote:
On August 21 2010 14:59 Tippereth wrote:
On August 21 2010 14:56 matjlav wrote:
On August 21 2010 14:54 Devolved wrote:
So sick. Now just don't choke in the final game...


After watching these games, you still imply that JD would have to "choke" to lose to Light? -_-

fanboys will be fanboys, I suppose.

Because Jaedong is the better player, a fantastic series aside?


fanboys will be fanboys, I suppose.

Yes, like yourself thinking that Light is on par with the Dong.



series 2-2 fanboy
When there's Flash there's a way.
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
August 21 2010 06:04 GMT
#1335
Jaedong has gone super saiyan. GL Light
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 21 2010 06:04 GMT
#1336
gogogogo

you can do it JD!
BW is back
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
August 21 2010 06:04 GMT
#1337
On August 21 2010 15:03 Tippereth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:00 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On August 21 2010 14:59 Harem wrote:
On August 21 2010 14:58 Emon_ wrote:
Doesnt ensnare diminish the attack rate of Goliaths by 50%?

Goliaths are one of the few units not affected by Ensnare in terms of firing rate.

Because of the no firing animation on the missiles, right?

Goliaths don't actually shoot, the turret unit shoots. Tanks are the same way, but I'm unsure of ensnare affects their rate of fire, but I would guess it does.

Zerg Units
-Lings 15% decrease
-Hydras 15% decrease
-Mutes 15% decrease (quite boring huh?)
-Ultras UNCHAGED!!!! Yes u read right. Ensnaire does not affect ultras.
-Cracklings 25% decrease

Terran Units
-Marines 17% decrease
-Stimmed Marines 23% decrease
-Golies UNCHANGED BOTH AIR AND GROUND. So next time dont be surprised if your lings get raped of ensnaired gollies
-Wraith 16% decrease
-BCs air 16%....BCs ground 4%. Pretty strange but i did this many times and the results were the same. Ensnaire has different effect on air and ground BCs attack!!!!
-Valks 18-20% decrease.
-I left firebats for the end because they are so hard to calculate. The trick is to have the tanks that take the damage at exactly the same angle towards firebats fire. If tanks are at 45 angle towards firebat fire they take more damage for some reason compared to 90 or 0 angle. Anyway, all things considered equal ensnaire decreases firebat rate by 29%. That's the largest decrease of all!!!

Toss Units
-Zealots 16% decrease
-Goons air 14%, Goons ground 11% decrease. Pretty strange again but that's what i found, period.
-Archon air 20%, Archon ground 3% decrease. What can i say people, hope u correct me.
-Dts 22% decrease
-Carriers UNCHANGED. When ensnairing carriers directly, fire rate doesn't decrease. Then i tried to ensnaire some interceptors. I didn't notice any change either. That gave me much grieve!!!!!
-Sairs 12% decrease
-Scout air 16% decrease. Forgot to test ground.

http://tsunamisstrategyforum.yuku.com/forum/viewtopic/id/469
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King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
August 21 2010 06:04 GMT
#1338
No 4/5 pool cheese.
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
August 21 2010 06:04 GMT
#1339
On August 21 2010 15:02 Dromar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 14:59 KumquatExpress wrote:
So why is it when Jaedong wins without doing anything, he wins the entire world over and then some, and when Light wins "without doing anything," he's a villain?


1. It's way more exciting when Zerg wins.
2. Nobody would choose Flash v Light over Flash v Jaedong.

'more' exciting when zerg wins? LOLBULL.

i prefer a TvT though. been proven during the MSL semis when Flash met Fantasy.
not that i hate a TvZ final though..
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teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
August 21 2010 06:04 GMT
#1340
If you watch the rep, the valk was out RIGHT as the CC fell below 50%, that queen was PERFECT to finish off the CC. Such a baller play by JD.
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