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[SPL] Playoffs: SK Telecom T1 vs WeMade FOX, Day 2 - Page 92

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Arite
Profile Joined April 2010
United States218 Posts
July 25 2010 06:58 GMT
#1821
Even though I like WeMade, I still have no idea how they managed to do this.
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
July 25 2010 06:59 GMT
#1822
What exactly is "modern style PvT?"
Sea.JustGod
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
400 Posts
July 25 2010 06:59 GMT
#1823
PvT without High Templars and STORMMMSSSSS!! = the protoss died
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 25 2010 06:59 GMT
#1824
On July 25 2010 15:57 cascades wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 15:56 OneOther wrote:
On July 25 2010 15:53 KwarK wrote:
On July 25 2010 15:51 OneOther wrote:
On July 25 2010 15:48 KwarK wrote:
On June 16 2010 15:51 KwarK wrote:
If he'd shown any strategic diversity I'd have been the first in the "HE'S BACK" choir. He didn't though, just macro and arbiters which is simply not enough to beat a top level Terran. It was the same story in his other prelim games too. Maybe Bisu felt he didn't need to use his best builds to beat the prelims and would rather rely on his macro. But unless I see him dismantle a push with storms or transition into carrier, dragoon, high templar at the perfect time I'm not going to be impressed. While his macro was top level his style was outdated and one dimensional. Sorry guys.

not sure why bisu played like best in that game but he has shown his old flair in many of his games though, especially the pvz/pvp department. he plays a little hard-headed in pvt sometimes, instead of doing the more common shuttle/templar tactics and such. probably wanted to win with the "spirit" style

He's been doing this PvT shit for months now though. I honestly don't know if he can play modern PvT anymore. He simply doesn't do it and you can't attack move into 3-3 tanks anymore. I'm ready to write Bisu off as a sniper at this point.

no i definitely know what you mean, but he certainly is capable of playing the more modern style pvt. i have seen him do it. it's puzzling why he chooses to play like that sometimes though. although he can crush many terrans with that macro, it is not the safest way to seal a victory. i still think you are being a little harsh to say that bisu is not "back" though. his flair is back, and so is his confidence. i've been really impressed with him up to this point - carrying a huge weight for his team and delivering each time.


I'm pretty sure he is back, including his shaky vT vs good Terrans.

haha good point. bisu's pvt is pretty inconsistent. sometimes he plays a flawless game, but other times, he plays like a bone-headed macro machine. what a glaring difference from his pvz and pvp, where he displays a dynamic playstyle.
Iri
Profile Joined January 2010
150 Posts
July 25 2010 07:00 GMT
#1825
Eh, Bisu focused too much on destroying pushes instead of containing them and expanding. This game will tell whether he's really back or not... he just got spanked after sitting on 4 base to 3 base most of the game, can he make the mental comeback to beat Pure? 'Cause you know Pure will bring the heat.
Opportunities multiply as they are seized. -Sun Tzu
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9775 Posts
July 25 2010 07:00 GMT
#1826
On July 25 2010 15:59 Amnesia wrote:
What exactly is "modern style PvT?"

more expansions.
boomer hands
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
July 25 2010 07:00 GMT
#1827
On July 25 2010 15:58 teamsolid wrote:
I feel like Bisu is not expanding aggressively enough in PvT's. He stayed even bases vs Midas for so long (even behind at one point). Compare that to Best's PvT where he ALWAYS gets that 3rd nexus so fast, then adds a 4th soon after, and never stops.

Yeah, definitely - I thought Bisu was going for an attack since he wasn't expanding when Midas took the 3rd earlier than he did, but nothing substantial came out of that...
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Shinshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-25 07:01:09
July 25 2010 07:00 GMT
#1828
On July 25 2010 15:58 Ciryandor wrote:
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On July 25 2010 15:55 Grobyc wrote:
Although Bisu won a couple of the battles he lost a lot more units than he should have.

Mainly 2 battles. 1) Outside the top left natural where Midas had a tank line reaching down almost to his natural. Bisu simply lost a lot of shit in this fight even though he killed Midas' main unit clump because so many stray units wandered off and died to the tank line. 2) Where Bisu tried to flank just southeast of that battle above with like 8-10 goons. He stasised a bunch of the shit in front(back units are better most of the time), rather than Midas' main clump a little north and that goon flank died almost instantly because there were no zealots in the mix. The tanks > those goons while all Midas' vultures at the bottom raped Bisu's zealots. With a proper flank and good micro Bisu could have had half his army left, rather than like 5-8 units like he did.

That on top of not securing enough expansions(you see how many probes got killed while sitting at a base before the nexus started?) lost him the game IMO.


I agree with this assessment of the game. Bisu was always behind and didn't squeeze every ounce from his units (no Storm before Archon shift); two bad decisions w/ Arbiters.

@ kona

WTF IS THAT GAME? SO KAWAII. :D



Someone hasn't seen maple story.


Hoping that Bisu vs Pure ends up being as epic as it was yesterday!
BeSt[WHITE] Have a great retirement | "SKT is best KT." - Vortok | http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7190/ep24hitcombo2small.gif
tomc
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States84 Posts
July 25 2010 07:00 GMT
#1829
subliminal messaging!
tomeeeo.506 @ SC2
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
July 25 2010 07:00 GMT
#1830
On July 25 2010 16:00 Iri wrote:
Eh, Bisu focused too much on destroying pushes instead of containing them and expanding. This game will tell whether he's really back or not... he just got spanked after sitting on 4 base to 3 base most of the game, can he make the mental comeback to beat Pure? 'Cause you know Pure will bring the heat.


I hope pure isn't still shaken over the first loss to bisu, he had a huge advantage then threw it all away.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
Coca Cola Classic
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
266 Posts
July 25 2010 07:00 GMT
#1831
thought boesthius was watching porn with his music selection lol...
안녕하세요~~
antelope591
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada820 Posts
July 25 2010 07:01 GMT
#1832
On July 25 2010 15:58 ffz wrote:
Bisu was crying... lol why would they send him back in there for ace? Dude's mind has to be going crazy right now.

I cant imagine sending someone that just lost crying is a good strategy.


Yea I really wanna know wtf the coach is thinking. Esp when u have Best and Fantasy that both won their matches -_-
stork4ever
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1036 Posts
July 25 2010 07:01 GMT
#1833
bisu is going to dominate this
Aurioch
Profile Joined January 2009
United States414 Posts
July 25 2010 07:01 GMT
#1834
Bisu losing twice in the same night? Nay, it r not happenin
My life for aiur
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
July 25 2010 07:01 GMT
#1835
Bisu picking at the shoulders of his shirt
Does his still have the steel willpower of a S-class pro player?
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
July 25 2010 07:01 GMT
#1836
On July 25 2010 16:00 Coca Cola Classic wrote:
thought boesthius was watching porn with his music selection lol...


LOL glad I'm not the only one.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 25 2010 07:01 GMT
#1837
On July 25 2010 15:59 Amnesia wrote:
What exactly is "modern style PvT?"

in a really short summary: a popular pvt trend is to rely on arbiter stasis (or recall in some cases) and a large number of high templars to fend off the first terran push. after that you transition to carriers with the freed up population, while buying time in whatever way you can. again, storms are crucial at this point.
sva
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States747 Posts
July 25 2010 07:01 GMT
#1838
On July 25 2010 16:01 Amnesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 16:00 Coca Cola Classic wrote:
thought boesthius was watching porn with his music selection lol...


LOL glad I'm not the only one.



haha I was so confused as well.
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
July 25 2010 07:02 GMT
#1839
On July 25 2010 16:01 antelope591 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 15:58 ffz wrote:
Bisu was crying... lol why would they send him back in there for ace? Dude's mind has to be going crazy right now.

I cant imagine sending someone that just lost crying is a good strategy.


Yea I really wanna know wtf the coach is thinking. Esp when u have Best and Fantasy that both won their matches -_-


Fantasy wouldn't be sent out on that map, it is horrible for TvP, so best/bisu were his best options.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
July 25 2010 07:02 GMT
#1840
Bisu better be ready for this, Pure is NOT going to go easy on him.
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