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Zona
40426 Posts
On July 25 2010 15:53 Avidkeystamper wrote: Wait, Midas won? But Bisu was crushing so hard. Not really. Midas started off with a greedier build which Bisu scouted but didn't punish. And Bisu played economically behind for the rest of the game, except for brief moments where he was able to once again get up one base vs T, which is "equal", before getting his expos crushed. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
Mainly 2 battles. 1) Outside the top left natural where Midas had a tank line reaching down almost to his natural. Bisu simply lost a lot of shit in this fight even though he killed Midas' main unit clump because so many stray units wandered off and died to the tank line. 2) Where Bisu tried to flank just southeast of that battle above with like 8-10 goons. He stasised a bunch of the shit in front(back units are better most of the time), rather than Midas' main clump a little north and that goon flank died almost instantly because there were no zealots in the mix. The tanks > those goons while all Midas' vultures at the bottom raped Bisu's zealots. With a proper flank and good micro Bisu could have had half his army left, rather than like 5-8 units like he did. That on top of not securing enough expansions(you see how many probes got killed while sitting at a base before the nexus started?) lost him the game IMO. Also Midas took a super fast 3rd which Bisu did nothing about, but Bisu caught up pretty nicely and was able to get 4 bases running pretty quickly without dying to a timing push. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On July 25 2010 15:53 KwarK wrote: He's been doing this PvT shit for months now though. I honestly don't know if he can play modern PvT anymore. He simply doesn't do it and you can't attack move into 3-3 tanks anymore. I'm ready to write Bisu off as a sniper at this point. no i definitely know what you mean, but he certainly is capable of playing the more modern style pvt. i have seen him do it. it's puzzling why he chooses to play like that sometimes though. although he can crush many terrans with that macro, it is not the safest way to seal a victory. i still think you are being a little harsh to say that bisu is not "back" though. his flair is back, and so is his confidence. i've been really impressed with him up to this point - carrying a huge weight for his team and delivering each time. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On July 25 2010 15:55 Grobyc wrote: Although Bisu won a couple of the battles he lost a lot more units than he should have. Mainly 2 battles. 1) Outside the top left natural where Midas had a tank line reaching down almost to his natural. Bisu simply lost a lot of shit in this fight even though he killed Midas' main unit clump because so many stray units wandered off and died to the tank line. 2) Where Bisu tried to flank just southeast of that battle above with like 8-10 goons. He stasised a bunch of the shit in front(back units are better most of the time), rather than Midas' main clump a little north and that goon flank died almost instantly because there were no zealots in the mix. The tanks > those goons while all Midas' vultures at the bottom raped Bisu's zealots. With a proper flank and good micro Bisu could have had half his army left, rather than like 5-8 units like he did. That on top of not securing enough expansions(you see how many probes got killed while sitting at a base before the nexus started?) lost him the game IMO. yep yep - Bisu didn't expand to take advantage of Terran's lack of mobility, and he also lost a lot of units to mines that could have been avoided. Time to train from Best! | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
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NobleHelium
United States82 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
On July 25 2010 15:56 OneOther wrote: no i definitely know what you mean, but he certainly is capable of playing the more modern style pvt. i have seen him do it. it's puzzling why he chooses to play like that sometimes though. although he can crush many terrans with that macro, it is not the safest way to seal a victory. i still think you are being a little harsh to say that bisu is not "back" though. his flair is back, and so is his confidence. i've been really impressed with him up to this point - carrying a huge weight for his team and delivering each time. Well it might be his PvT confidence that's not back, while the others are? Still, it is puzzling. | ||
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stork4ever
United States1036 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
On July 25 2010 15:57 NobleHelium wrote: So...aren't the ace choices supposed to be simultaneous? Pure stood out really early, couldn't SKT have glanced over and seen him? The choices are written on paper and given to Kespa refs before either player stands up | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On July 25 2010 15:56 OneOther wrote: no i definitely know what you mean, but he certainly is capable of playing the more modern style pvt. i have seen him do it. it's puzzling why he chooses to play like that sometimes though. although he can crush many terrans with that macro, it is not the safest way to seal a victory. i still think you are being a little harsh to say that bisu is not "back" though. his flair is back, and so is his confidence. i've been really impressed with him up to this point - carrying a huge weight for his team and delivering each time. I'm pretty sure he is back, including his shaky vT vs good Terrans. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On July 25 2010 15:53 Masheyoon wrote: Yeah, he even brushed some tears there. On top of that, if he loses again, two times in a row, it may leave him pretty down psychologically for next matches. It's quite risky. (blah, and I thought the match was over @ 3:1)I think this is a mistake by SKT. Bisu is emotionally battered. | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On July 25 2010 15:57 NobleHelium wrote: So...aren't the ace choices supposed to be simultaneous? Pure stood out really early, couldn't SKT have glanced over and seen him? If I understand correctly, both teams have to turn names in to the KeSPA officials before they can reveal anything. And the bait-and-switch when showing ace player is fairly common, so not a big deal. | ||
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maneatingshoe
Canada484 Posts
On July 25 2010 15:56 Musoeun wrote: If WeMade forces a 3rd match, I demand that the first game be Boxer vs Nada. Sadly your cries will not be heard | ||
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ffz
United States490 Posts
I cant imagine sending someone that just lost crying is a good strategy. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 25 2010 15:55 Grobyc wrote: Although Bisu won a couple of the battles he lost a lot more units than he should have. Mainly 2 battles. 1) Outside the top left natural where Midas had a tank line reaching down almost to his natural. Bisu simply lost a lot of shit in this fight even though he killed Midas' main unit clump because so many stray units wandered off and died to the tank line. 2) Where Bisu tried to flank just southeast of that battle above with like 8-10 goons. He stasised a bunch of the shit in front(back units are better most of the time), rather than Midas' main clump a little north and that goon flank died almost instantly because there were no zealots in the mix. The tanks > those goons while all Midas' vultures at the bottom raped Bisu's zealots. With a proper flank and good micro Bisu could have had half his army left, rather than like 5-8 units like he did. That on top of not securing enough expansions(you see how many probes got killed while sitting at a base before the nexus started?) lost him the game IMO. I agree with this assessment of the game. Bisu was always behind and didn't squeeze every ounce from his units (no Storm before Archon shift); two bad decisions w/ Arbiters. @ kona WTF IS THAT GAME? SO KAWAII. :D | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On July 25 2010 15:57 NobleHelium wrote: So...aren't the ace choices supposed to be simultaneous? Pure stood out really early, couldn't SKT have glanced over and seen him? a kespa official takes their choices before they're revealed to the audience. | ||
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sAAvior
Poland248 Posts
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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