EPT[OSL] Ro36 Day 7
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EDIT: I am half watching this game so maybe I missed something :/ | ||
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Can someone give me an idea as to how Stats got from that fail DT drop to having a huge zealot/goon/archon army? Switched streams because boes' was behind (and livestream >>> ustream) and he's massively ahead | ||
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10or10
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On July 07 2010 18:56 SkelA wrote: hydra with a terrible game plan he had like 100 psi worth of drones and no army at all Looked like my d+ zerg play. =( | ||
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dtnmang
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On July 07 2010 18:56 sixfour wrote: He knows something called 'multitasking'.Hydra gg's Can someone give me an idea as to how Stats got from that fail DT drop to having a huge zealot/goon/archon army? Switched streams because boes' was behind (and livestream >>> ustream) and he's massively ahead | ||
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McDonalds
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On July 07 2010 18:53 Waxangel wrote: Stats finally realized he has waaaay more stuff than crazy hydra, decides he should win the game It was Hydra, not Crazy-Hydra. On July 07 2010 18:56 sixfour wrote: Hydra gg's Can someone give me an idea as to how Stats got from that fail DT drop to having a huge zealot/goon/archon army? Switched streams because boes' was behind (and livestream >>> ustream) and he's massively ahead All I can really tell you about that is that he was forced to make archons when his templars were about to die to a handful of zerglings. | ||
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ggrrg
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Hydra did something wrong, dunno how he could get steamrolled so easily despite the fact that stats harrass failed for the most part. | ||
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darktreb
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On July 07 2010 18:52 Waxangel wrote: pretty sloppy game from both of these guys Hopefully just first game jitters by two relatively young players. | ||
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sixfour
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Hydra 3 | ||
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Vasoline73
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On July 07 2010 18:58 Epithet wrote: Lol what was Stats build order..someone explain Nexus before forge, then used his economic opening to build 4 gates before stargate to apply pressure, then added two stargates right after so he could fend off muta and take air control. It was like the opposite of a usual protoss opening which is Stargate into mass ground. This time it was the gates first, stargates second. Kind of liked it, but I don't know if it's possible without blind nexus first | ||
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Epithet
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On July 07 2010 19:03 Vasoline73 wrote: Nexus before forge, then used his economic opening to build 4 gates before stargate to apply pressure, then added two stargates right after so he could fend off muta and take air control. It was like the opposite of a usual protoss opening which is Stargate into mass ground. This time it was the gates first, stargates second. Kind of liked it, but I don't know if it's possible without blind nexus first Ah thanks. I think I'm gonna study that now o.o. | ||
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gg lol | ||
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ZERGLINGS LOL. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
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how stats doesnt leave and hydra doesnt want to win | ||
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SkelA
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bad obsing from the observer | ||
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Turbovolver
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On July 07 2010 19:05 Djin)ftw( wrote: fail timing gg lol On July 07 2010 19:05 Chen wrote: lol gg already I'm this close to reporting both of you scrubs. Don't do this to us peoples reading along =( | ||
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On July 07 2010 19:09 Lann555 wrote: Probably for the best. The OSL isn't the same without a large batch of bad-to-terrible zergs Fixed. Killer coming next. T_T | ||
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Djin)ftw(
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On July 07 2010 19:09 Turbovolver wrote: I'm this close to reporting both of you scrubs. Don't do this to us peoples reading along =( come now 3 hatch ling allin would have seen the gg 3 minutes earlier ^_^ | ||
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J1.au
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On July 07 2010 19:10 Lann555 wrote: Muta out. GG in 10 seconds I guess You're a bit behind lol. | ||
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Lann555
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Ah, he GG's | ||
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Hyde
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On July 07 2010 19:10 sixfour wrote: that was horrible Indeed, he lost like 3 cannons and all that mining time running his probes around trying to defend the initial attack | ||
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On July 07 2010 19:09 Turbovolver wrote: I'm this close to reporting both of you scrubs. Don't do this to us peoples reading along =( i think you misunderstand the 2nd post, it means "Give it up already Stats!" | ||
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sixfour
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Stats 11 | ||
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McDonalds
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On July 07 2010 19:11 Geo.Rion wrote: i think you misunderstand the 2nd post, it means "Give it up already Stats!" You only know that because you were watching. If someone is following along via live reporting then posts like that are either useless or confusing. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
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On July 07 2010 19:14 sixfour wrote: Another 9 pool vs. FFE, ffs get cannons up in time this game. Stats scouting Hydra last it was overpool in both games | ||
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Djin)ftw(
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stats gets a dt in the main hydra burrows his drones lol | ||
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DT attacking spire but backs off when overlord arrives with lings | ||
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Djin)ftw(
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not only didnt he have a lord in his main, now he knows there is a dt and still loses 3 drones | ||
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Hyde
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DT is cornered and disposed of. | ||
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On July 07 2010 19:21 Chen wrote: lol he knew the DT was still there and did nothing about it. and that archon needs to kill those afk scourge =.= He didn't do nothing about it. He only has one slow-moving overlord in the area. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
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hydra getting 4th | ||
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lol nat is safe with 5(!) sunk | ||
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loses shuttle though, guardians come back | ||
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LOL scout , lasted for 3 seconds before scourge takes it out | ||
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hydra wasting quite a few cracklings | ||
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plague now would be awesome | ||
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Stat's army rushing back. | ||
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simultanious attacak on stats 4th also denied | ||
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poor decision making now, hydra expoes at 6/top right, stats takea all his forces to kill 6 lol now runs in the nat but gets deflected while losing 4th gg | ||
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Lann555
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On July 07 2010 19:32 Vasoline73 wrote: Stats all in on the nat are you serious? He is protoss. Gotte a-move somewhere right? | ||
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disappointed!!! | ||
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run into like 10 sunkens. | ||
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On July 07 2010 19:32 Vasoline73 wrote: Stats all in on the nat are you serious? seriously worst place to attack =.= why not go for the other main, almost same effect with 1/3 of the defense | ||
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rainei
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Woke up in time for Jaedong's games. Didnt even set an alarm. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
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guardians in zvp is so lol | ||
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Lann555
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On July 07 2010 19:32 Vasoline73 wrote: God Stats played terrible. KT players disappointing me hardcore recently. Hydra played equally terrible | ||
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On July 07 2010 19:27 Waxangel wrote: I hate how BW pros don't have that mental note that says "guardians are an expensive unit that I should micro and protect." Considering they take such good care of shit like carriers and reavers, the fact that they consider guardians expendable is fucking infuriating. ha seriously I thought the exact same thing while watching this. Anyways, good game by hydra nonetheless, that last triple attack was pretty sick He kinda won by doing nothing though :p | ||
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Vasoline73
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On July 07 2010 19:33 Nemesis wrote: That was a lame game, he could've easily held that if he used his army to defend instead of all-n :/ Yeah he had just defended, wtf. Why move your army so out of position and screw yourself? | ||
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sixfour
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On July 07 2010 19:33 SkelA wrote: im so glad this terrible series is over ..... phew that was some terrible play from both sides. this, not great games. third game i guess was ok | ||
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Xstatic
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Stats saw the game going out of his control and decided to give it up >< He probably could have taken down the third, less sunks there and only an evo chamber to take down. | ||
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DarkMatter_
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Also, fuck yeah. Killer vs. Skyhigh next. | ||
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SimonB
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On July 07 2010 19:34 purpose wrote: wow that was just so bad by stats. It wasn't really. PvZ is just really hard. | ||
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Lann555
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On July 07 2010 19:34 Xstatic wrote: Cows scared him silly Stats saw the game going out of his control and decided to give it up >< He probably could have taken down the third, less sunks there and only an evo chamber to take down. Yeah, that final attack was incredibly stupid | ||
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Shatter
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On July 07 2010 19:35 SwiftBunny wrote: Could someone please elaborate to me, Why Scouts are "Bad Mannered"? I noticed like 10 people say it in chat. Doesn't really make sense to me.. It depends how you use them. In the situation last game, no. If you mass scout, yes. | ||
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Nemesis
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On July 07 2010 19:35 SwiftBunny wrote: Could someone please elaborate to me, Why Scouts are "Bad Mannered"? I noticed like 10 people say it in chat. Doesn't really make sense to me.. Because scouts are expensive units that are useless in a real game, something like 275 minerals 125 gas for 1 scout, which is almost as expensive as a carrier but a lot weaker. | ||
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raga4ka
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On July 07 2010 19:33 Blind wrote: This strat was perfect for their positions. So easy for Hydra to harass Stat's natural and defend his own. Yeah maybe it was a bad decision from Stats to stop producing corsairs they are really key for that air control and without it protoss can't do shit .... | ||
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10or10
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On July 07 2010 19:35 SwiftBunny wrote: Could someone please elaborate to me, Why Scouts are "Bad Mannered"? I noticed like 10 people say it in chat. Doesn't really make sense to me.. mostly because they are useless and only built too humilate your opponent (you are so far ahead yo can waste resources on them). But, in this case he thought they could be used with their more hp/shields than the sair and take 2 hits from scourge (it didnt work successfully though). | ||
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5unrise
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On July 07 2010 19:27 Waxangel wrote: I hate how BW pros don't have that mental note that says "guardians are an expensive unit that I should micro and protect." Considering they take such good care of shit like carriers and reavers, the fact that they consider guardians expendable is fucking infuriating. Good point, I totally agree. I guess zergs have this use-and-throw-away mentality when playing games, so maybe overlooked the costs of the guardian when compared to other zerg units. | ||
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Highways
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Only worst strategy is mech TvZ (and bunker rushing). | ||
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McDonalds
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On July 07 2010 19:35 SwiftBunny wrote: Could someone please elaborate to me, Why Scouts are "Bad Mannered"? I noticed like 10 people say it in chat. Doesn't really make sense to me.. They're saying it because they think scouts are the weakest units in the game. The fact is that they were designed for hunting down air units and guardians can't attack other air units. But he lost the scout immediately to the scourge that were hanging around. | ||
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Hyde
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On July 07 2010 19:36 Nemesis wrote: Because scouts are expensive units that are useless in a real game, something like 275 minerals 125 gas for 1 scout, which is almost as expensive as a carrier but a lot weaker. Not to mention they require upgrades aswell They're actually quite strong anti air, which is probably why Stats made one to quickly get rid of the guards. In this case I don't think he was being BM but rather out of desperation. | ||
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Lann555
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On July 07 2010 19:38 Waxangel wrote: don't look now, but Killer vs Skyhigh has the potential to be an even worse series than Stats vs Crazy Could it top Action v ForGG though? | ||
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McDonalds
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On July 07 2010 19:38 Waxangel wrote: don't look now, but Killer vs Skyhigh has the potential to be an even worse series than Stats vs Crazy Again, that was not Crazy-Hydra. | ||
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DarkMatter_
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I'm only referring to the third game, haven't watched the other two. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
On July 07 2010 19:38 Waxangel wrote: don't look now, but Killer vs Skyhigh has the potential to be an even worse series than Stats vs Crazy this, skyhigh awful against anyone but T, and killer terrible against anyone killer's last game against terran was a win vs. skyhigh though | ||
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Djin)ftw(
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On July 07 2010 19:35 SwiftBunny wrote: Could someone please elaborate to me, Why Scouts are "Bad Mannered"? I noticed like 10 people say it in chat. Doesn't really make sense to me.. On July 05 2010 20:16 Chen wrote: scout is and forever will be good for only one thing, maybe two. 1) humiliate your opponent 2) embarrass yourself trying to accomplish #1 | ||
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Camlito
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On July 07 2010 19:33 Blind wrote: This strat was perfect for their positions. So easy for Hydra to harass Stat's natural and defend his own. Ya, it was brilliant strategy. ^__^ | ||
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SimonB
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What's better? Being economically crushed by a turtle zerg with a million hatcheries/expos by just sitting back and trying to defend, or try something risky to win the game. Stats really didn't play that poorly. Could he have played better? Yeah, but PvZ is pretty unforgiving. | ||
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GTR
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http://www.ggamssi.co.kr/ | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On July 07 2010 19:43 SimonB wrote: I always hate it when people say that a player played terrible or threw the game because he tried something when he was way behind economically and it didn't work. What's better? Being economically crushed by a turtle zerg with a million hatcheries/expos by just sitting back and trying to defend, or try something risky to win the game. Stats really didn't play that poorly. Could he have played better? Yeah, but PvZ is pretty unforgiving. this. I dont think stats made many mistakes, winning against a 4gas turtle zerg is just hard. Could have harassed better though and that he didnt have air control was probably the biggest problem. Dont know if he lost many sairs unnecessarily though | ||
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5unrise
New Zealand646 Posts
On July 07 2010 19:43 SimonB wrote: I always hate it when people say that a player played terrible or threw the game because he tried something when he was way behind economically and it didn't work. What's better? Being economically crushed by a turtle zerg with a million hatcheries/expos by just sitting back and trying to defend, or try something risky to win the game. Stats really didn't play that poorly. Could he have played better? Yeah, but PvZ is pretty unforgiving. Yeah QFT. The game honestly looked like it could go either way when stats successfully established a third and had his large army intact. At that point, Z had 4 bases. Dead even. Stats caused some loss of mining time with his DTs, so even though DTs didnt do much physical damage, it delayed hydra. But very good burrow counter to DTs by Hydra, I like. The real valid criticism one can make of stats is maybe he went too zealot heavy, and therefore had no dragoons to oppose the guards, which had enough time to deal significant damage to stats. I won't bash the last all-in too hard, because he needed to deal damage there and then, and had no choice... Its better than typing gg before trying. Hydra played well, especially with the multi-pronged counters. GG edit*: okay the dragoon thing maybe made no sense.. since hydra had no lurkers (?) | ||
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Liechtenstein2244 Posts
On July 07 2010 19:43 SimonB wrote: I always hate it when people say that a player played terrible or threw the game because he tried something when he was way behind economically and it didn't work. What's better? Being economically crushed by a turtle zerg with a million hatcheries/expos by just sitting back and trying to defend, or try something risky to win the game. Stats really didn't play that poorly. Could he have played better? Yeah, but PvZ is pretty unforgiving. Well, it didn't help that he stormed nothing twice and his own units once in the first game and sent his whole army to fight sunken colonies in the third. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that he didn't play very well. But Hydra does a good job of denying expos apparently. In the first game his expo denying ultimately cost him too many units but in the second and third it paid off. | ||
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sixfour
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Killer 5 Skyhigh has expansion, adding second rax and academy. Killer with 12 hatch and third hatch in his main, lair coming in now | ||
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raga4ka
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On July 07 2010 19:43 SimonB wrote: I always hate it when people say that a player played terrible or threw the game because he tried something when he was way behind economically and it didn't work. What's better? Being economically crushed by a turtle zerg with a million hatcheries/expos by just sitting back and trying to defend, or try something risky to win the game. Stats really didn't play that poorly. Could he have played better? Yeah, but PvZ is pretty unforgiving. This ... Stats played well but his strategy the last game to bust the front with reavers instead of tons of dragoons backfired with those guardians and Hydra played well . It's always funny to me when i watch some epic scrapy game between pros trying out different things and people here start calling them terrible and D+ level when they are probably D level at iccup themselfs . | ||
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Nemesis
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On July 07 2010 19:43 SimonB wrote: I always hate it when people say that a player played terrible or threw the game because he tried something when he was way behind economically and it didn't work. What's better? Being economically crushed by a turtle zerg with a million hatcheries/expos by just sitting back and trying to defend, or try something risky to win the game. Stats really didn't play that poorly. Could he have played better? Yeah, but PvZ is pretty unforgiving. But the thing is he wasn't economically behind, it was 4 base vs 4 base, and the other main was almost undefended, he went for the nat with 5 sunkens. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
killer trying to kill scvs/turrets at the nat skyhigh has like 3 groups of mnm at killers nat 1a2a3e into the nat lol killer is so bad SO BAD MY GOD | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
he could've had that | ||
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Djin)ftw(
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rofl xD this has to be one if the worst games i ever saw, cant stop laughing omg omg hilarious like d+ vs b seriously watch this omg | ||
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Hallucination
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skyhigh wins a non Terran matchup? oh wait its Killer. | ||
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Highways
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But anyways bad game. | ||
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On July 07 2010 19:59 5unrise wrote: Killer please stop playing zerg T_T go switch to terran.. plz With muta micro like that, I think he'd probably embarrass himself worse than Fantasy. | ||
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On July 07 2010 20:00 Redshirt wrote: With muta micro like that, I think he'd probably embarrass himself worse than Fantasy. yeah thats what I mean.. zerg win-rates will go up, and T win-rates go down. | ||
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On July 07 2010 20:02 Corrupt wrote: Was it so hard to put 2-3 additional sunkens while raping SCV on auto-attack?... he even had 8 lings or so somewhere on the map but not at his sunks xD omg this game was hilarious, my god | ||
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On July 07 2010 19:54 Nemesis wrote: But the thing is he wasn't economically behind, it was 4 base vs 4 base, and the other main was almost undefended, he went for the nat with 5 sunkens. What do you mean he wasn't economically behind? He was way behind ... Hydra had insane saturation and was even in food and had map control. Just because it was technically 4 base versus 4 base doesn't mean you can just blindly say "# of P bases = # of Z bases so P's ahead". Every single one of Stats' bases other than his main was harassed heavily at one point during the game (even before he did the trade at the end where he just gave up his 4th). There was no way Stats could deny Hydra from taking bases like wildfire without giving up bases of his own because he never achieved the Reaver/HT saturation (partly because his natural gas kept getting destroyed) to roam the map while still being able to defend his expansions. Basically maybe Stats' choice of location to all-in wasn't optimal but Zerg had more than one Nydus connecting both bases so I don't think it would have mattered that much. Stats basically chose to attack before the tables completely turned and the slow flood of Zerg death overwhelmed him, but it was already too late (and I don't think he really ever had a window beyond a certain point). | ||
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On July 07 2010 20:09 5unrise wrote: killer should have ignored the scv and go after the base he should have just scouted what skyhigh is doing with his mnm (oh theay are not defending the nat? I WONDER WHERE THEY WILL BE) then make 1 or 2 more sunks and get all his lings to defend them but it's killer so.. xD | ||
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pretty standard, nice mnm/mut micro(!) | ||
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killer just shift +a moves and loses 2 or 3 mut to reinforcements lol | ||
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On July 07 2010 20:12 Redshirt wrote: ARE YOU GOING TO FIRE KILLER. No because if Oz fires Killer they will have to let Perfectman play ;( | ||
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1:1. | ||
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gg any second there it is rape pretty much, wow | ||
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imho killer will win now, skyhigh just looked so vulnerable.. | ||
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On July 07 2010 20:10 Djin)ftw( wrote: he should have just scouted what skyhigh is doing with his mnm (oh theay are not defending the nat? I WONDER WHERE THEY WILL BE) then make 1 or 2 more sunks and get all his lings to defend them but it's killer so.. xD I meant this game where skyhigh went 14cc (I think, maybe wrong..)  *sorry it was 1 rax FE | ||
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On July 07 2010 20:17 khellian wrote: GG, just let it be over so we can watch Jaedong. ^_* Meh, he's facing some noob so it's gonna be one-sided and boring. No awesome games today. | ||
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On July 07 2010 20:17 Dragoon.eD wrote: This is depressing. Killer displays the worst muta micro ever, failing to get a shot on a marine ball for like 2 minutes, masses more mutas, harasses a little and then just 1a2a3a lurkerling.... His muta micro was fine? Failing to get a shot off is not a bad thing as long as he doesn't lose mutas in the process, because the point of the muta threat is to keep his 3rd alive and running, which he did sucessfully. Not to mention he ended up taking out a huge ton of marines and medics later on with those mutas, forcing a ton of turrets and then killing two barracks which pretty much sealed the deal when the lurker/ling showed up. | ||
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On July 07 2010 20:17 Dragoon.eD wrote: This is depressing. Killer displays the worst muta micro ever, failing to get a shot on a marine ball for like 2 minutes, masses more mutas, harasses a little and then just 1a2a3a lurkerling.... In fact, I would believe that was actually pretty good muta micro. Skyhigh's rines were in a really good position and killer had to muta micro to delay him from reaching his third. It's called picking your battles. And I'm sure you know this.. but you can't a-move lurkers | ||
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On July 07 2010 20:20 Atrioc wrote: His muta micro was fine? Failing to get a shot off is not a bad thing as long as he doesn't lose mutas in the process, because the point of the muta threat is to keep his 3rd alive and running, which he did sucessfully. Not to mention he ended up taking out a huge ton of marines and medics later on with those mutas, forcing a ton of turrets and then killing two barracks which pretty much sealed the deal when the lurker/ling showed up. When trying to harass Skyhighs marines, he lost almost as many mutas as he killed marines. Though I blame Skyhigh for spending all his resources on 20 turrets instead of reinforcing his army. | ||
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Skyhigh should be safe, he's got siege mode now. | ||
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On July 07 2010 20:31 Alaric wrote: SkyHigh pushing out...8 tanks ? That is many tank, yes ? | ||
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nice killer | ||
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Killer needs scourges, or muta. There is almost no marines nor goliaths now. But mass mines. | ||
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Also Killer sucks lol. Now Skyhigh has more bases than him. | ||
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On July 07 2010 20:39 Salteador Neo wrote: So thats why Skyhigh goes mech, because he cannot multitask at all? No, he has a good multitasking, just look at his TvT. He just cant micro m&ms properly. | ||
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No idea why he isn't going for the doom push and just sitting there. | ||
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skyhigh win | ||
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On July 07 2010 20:43 Alaric wrote: SkyHigh failing at macro (1100/1100), Killer failing at building up an army (180 supply to 80). skyhigh is on the left, he's almost maxed. You got confused thar | ||
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Anyway on the main event. Let's see what this Ssak kid has in his locker. | ||
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Who is Jaedong? | ||
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On July 07 2010 20:47 nayumi wrote: Ssak is the clear favorite here. Who is Jaedong? Ya who is this zerg scrub | ||
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On July 07 2010 20:48 7mk wrote: CJ owning it up Lol next osl day we are going to have hydra, skyhigh and movie all playing on the same day. Will be almost like proleague with bo3s. | ||
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On July 07 2010 20:50 Holgerius wrote: This is gonna be so one-sided it's not even funny. =/ 3x bunker rush, Jaedong going to be sent home, fanboys start screaming terran imba. | ||
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I checked the music thread it's not there :X | ||
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Poll: Best "Game" Of Group G? Stats vs Hydra Game 3 - Grand Line SE (10) None, They were awful. (2) Game 1 - Eye of the Storm (1) Game 2 - Dreamliner (0) 13 total votes Your vote: Best "Game" Of Group G? Stats vs Hydra (Vote): Game 1 - Eye of the Storm Poll: Best "Game" Of Group H? sKyHigh vs Killer No - Do yourself a favor and skip these entirely as if they never happened. (13) Game 2 - Dreamliner (7) Game 3 - Grand Line SE (5) Game 1 - Eye of the Storm (0) 25 total votes Your vote: Best "Game" Of Group H? sKyHigh vs Killer (Vote): Game 1 - Eye of the Storm | ||
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This will be such a rape, it should be rated 18+ | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
he's that dude that got owned by yellow | ||
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On July 07 2010 20:56 danl9rm wrote: jaedong is the only player in the league i feel better about after he loses multiple times. how 'bout flash? | ||
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On July 07 2010 20:59 sixfour wrote: this guy beat hyun and odin in the prelims, jaedong will be a piece of cake lol, i busted out laughing | ||
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United States5866 Posts
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On July 07 2010 20:59 Redshirt wrote: Ssak got 10%, lots of confidence in the little kid. the korean netizens know jack shit, he's gonna own btw, for some odd reason, I always type she when talking about Ssak and then correct it...hm... | ||
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Random Terran 1 | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:00 Mortician wrote: the korean netizens know jack shit, he's gonna own btw, for some odd reason, I always type she when talking about Ssak and then correct it...hm... Yeah man same here, the kid is going to rock my socks tonight Jaedong is going to get sent home or forever traumatized. | ||
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"I'd go GAY for Jaedong" + "me too !" | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:02 Waxangel wrote: lolHah, in the pre-game interview JD said "You (ssak) worked so hard to get here.... Goodbye." | ||
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![[image loading]](http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1359/gaybz.jpg) | ||
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On one had we have a guy who lost 3:0 to non-other than Flash On the other we have an awesome dude, who beat Odin and Hyun, who raped Flash... JD is going down so bad, it's not even funny | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:02 Waxangel wrote: Hah, in the pre-game interview JD said "You (ssak) worked so hard to get here.... Goodbye." Haha this is fantastic. | ||
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On July 07 2010 20:56 danl9rm wrote: jaedong is the only player in the league i feel better about after he loses multiple times. eh? | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:03 SwiftBunny wrote: rofl, even has it in korean, priceless | ||
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Nouar
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konadora
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skt terrans \o/ | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:07 Klive5ive wrote: What the hell is with this observer today, he's awful. noticed the same, kept wanting him to look elsewhere instead | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:09 konadora wrote: i dunno why but i have a feeling that this will be yet another sexy build, a brainchild of iloveoov and boxer fix'd I <3 Ssak so sexy | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:14 Tuke wrote: Double armory for Ssak, is he doing mech switch? probably, he's saved a lot of gas | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:14 Tuke wrote: Double armory for Ssak, is he doing mech switch? looks like it, which is pretty smart, JD is going for defiler lurker ling mostly | ||
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or not | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:18 Zaphid wrote: Does he know JD has 4th gas ? Nope | ||
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This SSak kid definitely isn't rolling over. | ||
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GG | ||
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GJ Ssak, player for the future maybe? | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:23 konadora wrote: GG think Ssak played quite well against Jaedong Think fanboyism is blinding judgement Ssak played pretty terribly | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:23 Waxangel wrote: sloppy from Jaedong, very creative from Ssak. If he had converted some of that 1.5k gas he had stockpiled up in mid-game into vessels, he would have been really dangerous. yeh, valkyries lose their novelty appeal after a certain time frame. | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:24 Scaramanga wrote: Think fanboyism is blinding judgement Ssak played pretty terribly We're talking about a guy who hasn't won a televised match since like 2008. And his opponent was Jaedong. | ||
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Those who are saying ssak put up a good fight, you don't get easy wins vs Terran mech anymore. Most games go 15-20+ mins and the only time zerg has an easy win is from a hydra or muta bust in the first 10 minutes. | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:24 Scaramanga wrote: Think fanboyism is blinding judgement Ssak played pretty terribly ahaha wtf are u saying? u mean SSak fanboism)))? | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:24 Scaramanga wrote: Think fanboyism is blinding judgement Ssak played pretty terribly it's against Jaedong, that's why I said he played quite well. Especially for someone who's like 0-3 in televised matches. | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:27 rainei wrote: I dunno, I thought sSak played pretty well.. it was just that he was read like a book, that's all. Well, except for the whole valkyrie thing. | ||
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United States5765 Posts
On July 07 2010 21:28 Warrior Madness wrote: Scary showing by ssak. Let's see him six months from now. Meh, Jaedong was never in a position to lose the match. He held all of Ssak's pushes fairly easily it seems. He did fine by not blowing anything or making huge mistakes, but not like Jaedong was really "tested" there. | ||
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Count9
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On July 07 2010 21:28 Warrior Madness wrote: Scary showing by ssak. Let's see him six months from now. SKT's been saying that for years now, "that mong, he's tearing up amateur leagues, a few more months and some experience and he's the next big thing" Still no results from his few proleague showings. | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:29 Count9 wrote: SKT's been saying that for years now, "that mong, he's tearing up amateur leagues, a few more months and some experience and he's the next big thing" Still no results from his few proleague showings. funny you say that, because the EXACT same thing was going around 6 years ago with canata | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:25 McDonalds wrote: We're talking about a guy who hasn't won a televised match since like 2008. And his opponent was Jaedong. He had extreamly sloppy control, he lost a fair ammout of tanks and vultures just to stray units, his sim city at the third was non exsistant and hence lost the base 4 or so times, he just let jd take the centre right base which he could have taken out easily as the nydus there wasnt up for ages but he didnt scout around the map, he didnt harras execpt for at the end when the game was already over I just thought he was pretty sloppy overall | ||
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rainei
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nvm I'm blind. I thought JD was going for some crazy 1hatch build.. couldn't see the other hatch at the nat. Still not very familiar with this map layout. | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:26 letian wrote: ahaha wtf are u saying? u mean SSak fanboism)))? SKT1 fanboyism Fuck yeah thats sexy, using the cc to block the lings | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:33 Shatter wrote: is walling with academy the new cool thing? Don't forget CC, it's cool too | ||
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No idea how usefull this is but it sure looks cool! | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:31 Scaramanga wrote: SKT1 fanboyism Fuck yeah thats sexy, using the cc to block the lings ah, ok | ||
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I think zerg is imba | ||
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terran still alive and doing okay.. that mean jd gonna lose right? | ||
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Hyde
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He's just going to finish this with Mutas. | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:37 fearus wrote: ehh 2hatch muta allin vs terran fast expo terran still alive and doing okay.. that mean jd gonna lose right? lolno. alive yes. doing ok?.... hes bleeding scvs and all his money is going into turrets | ||
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nvm, +1 mutas | ||
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mutaing him to death | ||
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Poll: Best "Game" Of Group I ? Jae"The"dong vs Ssak All of them. (21) Game 1 - Eye of the Storm (13) Game 2 - Dreamliner (10) None, They were awful. (4) 48 total votes Your vote: Best "Game" Of Group I ? Jae"The"dong vs Ssak (Vote): Game 1 - Eye of the Storm | ||
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 Ssak | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:46 Warrior Madness wrote: JD showing off his patented "build mutas" build. Building mutas is a useful skill toi have? | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:45 kaleidoscope wrote: lol GG.. mutaing him to death Slow and painful. | ||
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That's how it's done. | ||
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United States6533 Posts
On July 07 2010 21:46 Waxangel wrote: meh, looks like Jaedong was trying to have a statement game by winning with muta only, but he ended up looking a bit sloppy in the process Its like when he was trying to all kill CJ with mutalisks and zerglings only lol. | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:46 Waxangel wrote: meh, looks like Jaedong was trying to have a statement game by winning with muta only, but he ended up looking a bit sloppy in the process didnt look that sloppy to me | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:46 Waxangel wrote: meh, looks like Jaedong was trying to have a statement game by winning with muta only, but he ended up looking a bit sloppy in the process Eh, I dunno, maybe. But even so, if it's true, you do have to intimidate your opponents. You may be good, but if all your opponents play against you with confidence, you'll never be great. | ||
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it was sloppy if you compare it with with the previous "2-hath-muta-all-in into 2 muta group" of Jaedong. | ||
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I tuned in only for the last part and the scourge control he exhibited left something to be desired. Most of the time the scourge just flew over marines and died, one almost hit a floating building before it got sniped. He qualified at least, and I'm happy with that. | ||
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Australia753 Posts
The only sloppy part was letting that vulture do so much damage, and pulling back ALL of his mutas to kill it. He could've gotten one injured muta to chase it as soon as he saw it leave the base. | ||
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United States381 Posts
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Canada1316 Posts
On July 07 2010 21:47 danl9rm wrote: I hope whatever cave killer was sulking in had a tv tuned in to that. That's how it's done. This is kinda funny, since the game that Killer won, he did the same kind of build. +1 mutas doing a lot of damage, except Killer expanded much earlier than JD did and could end it with a mass of lurkers, instead of the slow bleeding out by JD's mutas. | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:51 McDonalds wrote: Soooo... Dreamliner is now 1-7 in TvZ. Surprised it's not 0-8 | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:55 Mooncat wrote: I can't believe they once said Flash's style was boring... Imho there's nothing more boring than Jaedong's "I'll just use the crowbar and overpower him with mutas" ZvT style against lesser opponents... No style, no grace. You know how long it has been since JD played like that? The Jaedong of 2010 goes 3h and plays for defiler. | ||
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United States6533 Posts
On July 07 2010 21:55 Mooncat wrote: I can't believe they once said Flash's style was boring... Imho there's nothing more boring than Jaedong's "I'll just use the crowbar and overpower him with mutas" ZvT style against lesser opponents... No style, no grace. Yeah because anyone can kill terrans with muta only right? I don't know about you, but I'd rather watch godlike mutalisk control than tanks chilling. | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:55 Mooncat wrote: I can't believe they once said Flash's style was boring... Imho there's nothing more boring than Jaedong's "I'll just use the crowbar and overpower him with mutas" ZvT style against lesser opponents... No style, no grace. Let's not turn this into a dong versus flash debate again. | ||
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Germany1228 Posts
On July 07 2010 22:05 StarStruck wrote: Let's not turn this into a dong versus flash debate again. Not my intention, sorry if it came across that way. It's just that Flash is the perfect example of a very skillful player who's style people used to call boring. On July 07 2010 22:04 De4ngus wrote: Yeah because anyone can kill terrans with muta only right? I don't know about you, but I'd rather watch godlike mutalisk control than tanks chilling. That isn't the point. It's just boring to watch and very ungraceful imho. A player of Jaedong's caliber should have other means to dissect much, much lesser players than brute force. On July 07 2010 21:59 setzer wrote: You know how long it has been since JD played like that? The Jaedong of 2010 goes 3h and plays for defiler. Yes, he does that in Bo5s, where you can take certain risks. But no zerg can make 3hatch before pool* into fast defilers his usual style and be successful with it, similar to how you can't go blind 14cc every game as a terran. *I'm assuming you are talking about 3hatch before pool because you added "plays fors defilers"(as in 'as quickly as possible' ) which suggests a strong econ build. | ||
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United States3284 Posts
On July 07 2010 22:23 Mooncat wrote: Not my intention, sorry if it came across that way. It's just that Flash is the perfect example of a very skillful player who's style people used to call boring. That isn't the point. It's just boring to watch and very ungraceful imho. A player of Jaedong's caliber should have other means to dissect much, much lesser players than brute force. Yes, he does that in Bo5s, where you can take certain risks. But no zerg can make 3hatch before pool* into fast defilers his usual style and be successful with it, similar how you can't go blind 14cc every game as a terran. *I'm assuming you are talking about 3hatch before pool because you added "plays fors defilers"(as in 'as quickly as possible' ) which suggests a strong econ build. No, I am saying instead of going 2h muta like he used to go, he is almost exclusively going 3h muta. Terrans have become quite adaptive to defending 2h muta and the maps are designed in such a way where it is easier to defend (in contrast to 08-09 maps where you minerals lines were much more open). | ||
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United States3468 Posts
On July 07 2010 21:48 Ciryandor wrote: LAWL, 3 CJ players up in the next set of matches. And they are all facing a very uphill struggle =\ | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:55 Mooncat wrote: I can't believe they once said Flash's style was boring... Imho there's nothing more boring than Jaedong's "I'll just use the crowbar and overpower him with mutas" ZvT style against lesser opponents... No style, no grace. *Yawn* Boring. You gotta try harder with your anti-JD trolling. | ||
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Germany1228 Posts
On July 07 2010 23:22 tomatriedes wrote: *Yawn* Boring. You gotta try harder with your anti-JD trolling. Poor fanboy. Protecting your darling? Every bit of criticism is called "anti-JD trolling"... Heck, I didn't even criticize JD, I just stated my opinion that I find (t)his style boring to watch. | ||
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On July 07 2010 21:51 McDonalds wrote: Soooo... Dreamliner is now 1-7 in TvZ. Yeah, it's a piece oh shit map, at least for TvZ... | ||
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On July 07 2010 23:29 Mooncat wrote: Poor fanboy. Protecting your darling? Every bit of criticism is called "anti-JD trolling"... Heck, I didn't even criticize JD, I just stated my opinion that I find (t)his style boring to watch. Against lesser opponents it's going to be a boring one sided game anyway. Not to mention he doesn't go 2 hatch mass mutas the majority of time against bad terrans. That's why it's trolling. Finally, you're comparing his games only against bad people with what people said about Flash's overall style. | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
On July 08 2010 01:02 Avidkeystamper wrote: Against lesser opponents it's going to be a boring one sided game anyway. Not to mention he doesn't go 2 hatch mass mutas the majority of time against bad terrans. That's why it's trolling. Finally, you're comparing his games only against bad people with what people said about Flash's overall style. oh my god, i can't believe people are still getting this wrong... http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=130403 | ||
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Edit: although I'm probably wrong in this instance, the poster is just really biased. | ||
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Germany1228 Posts
On July 08 2010 01:02 Avidkeystamper wrote: Against lesser opponents it's going to be a boring one sided game anyway. Not to mention he doesn't go 2 hatch mass mutas the majority of time against bad terrans. That's why it's trolling. Finally, you're comparing his games only against bad people with what people said about Flash's overall style. On the contrary, I do not think that one sided games are necessarily boring. Sometimes it's really beautiful to watch a player dissect his opponent with surgical precision, style and grace. Furthermore, I never said that I don't find Jaedong's style boring or unappealing in general. But I decided to restrict my statement to the game at hand & similar games in the past where Jaedong just used brute force to win, which looks boring to me. Others might find exactly that interesting to watch. | ||
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Lolwtf sKyHigh-Killer dragged to three sets. Ughhhhhh. | ||
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United States3443 Posts
On July 08 2010 03:09 Mooncat wrote: On the contrary, I do not think that one sided games are necessarily boring. Sometimes it's really beautiful to watch a player dissect his opponent with surgical precision, style and grace. Furthermore, I never said that I don't find Jaedong's style boring or unappealing in general. But I decided to restrict my statement to the game at hand & similar games in the past where Jaedong just used brute force to win, which looks boring to me. Others might find exactly that interesting to watch. Well thank you for your opinion. I find the 2 hatch muta anger rapes JD decides to bust out when he's lost a game or two to be delightful. And that game was all skill and precision, its not like was a-moving ssaks base >.> | ||
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Jaedong advances, Baby gets a zerg, Stork gets a terran. Not very good games though, my personal favorite was the first JD vs Ssak game (much less 1-sided than expected) although the expected rape came in game 2. | ||
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On July 07 2010 21 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 07 2010 21 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:55 Mooncat wrote: I can't believe they once said Flash's style was boring... Imho there's nothing more boring than Jaedong's "I'll just use the crowbar and overpower him with mutas" ZvT style against lesser opponents... No style, no grace. I agree, I too prefer sieged tanks chewing up everything for half an hour until the map is mined out | ||
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On July 08 2010 09:10 KizZBG wrote: JD lookin swole lol what are you doing in lomo's photobucket account | ||
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On July 08 2010 09:10 KizZBG wrote: JD lookin swole lol That's not JD. | ||
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Should be a good match. And I feel bad for poor Ssak... Disappointed that Stats got knocked out... | ||
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On July 08 2010 10:44 Dandy4 wrote: Movie been slumping since losing to Flash in the OSLs. If Effort got out of his slump and managed to win an OSL, then so can Movie. Movie is still one of the best at PvZ despite losing to mediocre zergs that he should have beaten (Hoejja, Great). Also Bisu in his prime lost to a medicore zerg too (Hero). But Bisu learned from his mistakes and is a much better player then Hero is now, and I'm pretty sure Movie cleaned up his PvZ mistakes too. | ||
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On July 08 2010 11:01 FireGuyX wrote: If Effort got out of his slump and managed to win an OSL, then so can Movie. Movie is still one of the best at PvZ despite losing to mediocre zergs that he should have beaten (Hoejja, Great). Also Bisu in his prime lost to a medicore zerg too (Hero). But Bisu learned from his mistakes and is a much better player then Hero is now, and I'm pretty sure Movie cleaned up his PvZ mistakes too. Movie won't be able to PvZ his way again...not to mention theres no way hes beating Jaedong | ||
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Canada5645 Posts
How is that Jaedong? It does not look like him?! O.o | ||
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moopie
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On July 08 2010 13:10 dukethegold wrote: How is that Jaedong? It does not look like him?! O.o Haven't you gotten the memo? all asians look alike. | ||
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New Zealand5356 Posts
On July 07 2010 23:29 Mooncat wrote: Poor fanboy. Protecting your darling? Every bit of criticism is called "anti-JD trolling"... Heck, I didn't even criticize JD, I just stated my opinion that I find (t)his style boring to watch. Make all the excuses you want- you're a notorious anti-JD troll + Flash fagboy. It was pretty obvious what you're up to in this thread. | ||
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On July 08 2010 21:41 tomatriedes wrote: Make all the excuses you want- you're a notorious anti-JD troll + Flash fagboy. It was pretty obvious what you're up to in this thread. Feel free to scan my posts since the power outage MSL finals for any anti-JD trolling. You won't find any, so stop making up bullshit. You'll just have to accept that not eveybody kisses the ground JD walks on. Also calling someone "fagboy" in a live report thread(or rather in general) is banworthy imho, but go ahead if it makes you feel good. Btw. I'm not making any excuses, because I did nothing wrong. I just stated my opinion and it differs from yours. You seem to have trouble accepting that fact without troll-calling or insults. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On July 09 2010 03:37 Mooncat wrote: Feel free to scan my posts since the power outage MSL finals for any anti-JD trolling. You won't find any, so stop making up bullshit. You'll just have to accept that not eveybody kisses the ground JD walks on. Also calling someone "fagboy" in a live report thread(or rather in general) is banworthy imho, but go ahead if it makes you feel good. Btw. I'm not making any excuses, because I did nothing wrong. I just stated my opinion and it differs from yours. You seem to have trouble accepting that fact without troll-calling or insults. Look, I don't want this to continue any longer but let me make this point. I don't particularly like the way Flash plays when he uses mech and turtles hard until he has 50 tanks. I find this kind of play boring, overly defensive and unstylish but I don't go to threads where Flash has won games and state that opinion. Why? Because I know Flash has a lot of very passionate fans who are very defensive of him and I don't want to provoke them unnecessarily. I respect that you have an opinion that you don't like JD's style of play but I think you should realise these sorts of comments are provocative hence my use of the 'troll' epithet. When you make these sort of negative comments you're going to get a reaction and it's disingenuous to act otherwise. Oh by the way, before you start asking for bans look at your own damn posting history- On January 23 2010 20:38 Mooncat wrote: Jaedong is such a fucking damn faggot for not even mentioning the (2)free win(s) when asked about how he feels about winning... | ||
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