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On July 06 2010 20:38 lespostea wrote:
More importantly -- what does this mean for PR?
Nothing. It's a month of important games until the next one.
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Jaedong =(
Epic game vs bisu though, almost made the comback happen. Alas, great play from Bisu, always fun to see his PvZ in action
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On July 06 2010 20:36 Lightwip wrote:
In other news, Bisu vs JD is now tied in head-to-head(in ranked games).
Wrong! Bisu is leading 5-4 now...
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That game was almost as close as savior vs TT or savior vs nal_ra. I would say game of the week+month for sure.
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WTF I MISSED A BISU > JAEDONG FOR WORK?
oh wait ...
Damn I'm F5'ing wfbrood like a mofo 
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On July 06 2010 20:39 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 20:38 lespostea wrote:
More importantly -- what does this mean for PR? Nothing. It's a month of important games until the next one.
I was j/k 
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On July 06 2010 20:38 lespostea wrote:
More importantly -- what does this mean for PR?
It means shit , because it's the begining of the month and anything can happen until the 1th of august .
So now CJ are garanteed a spot in playoffs that is all that matters .
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On July 06 2010 20:40 Welmu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 20:36 Lightwip wrote:
In other news, Bisu vs JD is now tied in head-to-head(in ranked games). Wrong! Bisu is leading 5-4 now...
Ah, my bad, I also included the GomTV games. W/o gomtv it's 5-4, with it's 7-7.
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On July 06 2010 20:34 Subwoofermate wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 20:28 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:24 SkytoM wrote:On July 06 2010 20:24 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:20 Subwoofermate wrote:
At the end of the day, seems like Jaedong is the dude who is never really clutch in proleague...
Not the first time he's completely screwed up. The 4 pool against Skyhigh, losing twice in the Proleague Finals, losing against Frozean and lucky to have Anytime and Forgg roll over Khan, and now basically ruining Oz's chances to get into the playoffs by losing two games he really should have no trouble winning. Care to name anyone who actually is clutch instead? Fantasy? Skyhigh? These two are PL PO Bonjwas Trust me. If those two players are ever become skilled enough to get the high number of games in the play-offs that Jaedong under his bag, and the extra-attention from the opposing teams that comes with it, they won't look so clutch either. Fantasy is a damn reliable player that you could depend on in a high stress Proleague situation. He's pretty bad in finals series but he's rock solid when he's playing low number of games. Jaedong presumably does worse in Proleague because there is a team behind the player playing against him and thus aren't shitting their pants like Kal does or Free did against Flash. Even Fantasy played amazing SK terran against him on Outsider.
Okay, I'll put it this way. Hwaseung Oz wouldn't trade ANYONE for Jaedong, no matter how much more "clutch" he is. Anyone would look mortal given enough exposure like Jaedong, and that includes Flash, Fantasy, or anyone you could name.
There has been times when Hwaseung Oz pulled through simply because of Jaedong, and a couple of times relying too much on him back-fired, like today. Do you expect Jaedong to fight other teams all by himself AND succeed all the time? Come on, that's not being clutch. That would be playing god.
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OMFG! I WANT TO WATCH BISU VS JAEDONG! will watch it as soon as the video is out. WOOOOT! GO BISU!
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On July 06 2010 20:44 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 20:34 Subwoofermate wrote:On July 06 2010 20:28 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:24 SkytoM wrote:On July 06 2010 20:24 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:20 Subwoofermate wrote:
At the end of the day, seems like Jaedong is the dude who is never really clutch in proleague...
Not the first time he's completely screwed up. The 4 pool against Skyhigh, losing twice in the Proleague Finals, losing against Frozean and lucky to have Anytime and Forgg roll over Khan, and now basically ruining Oz's chances to get into the playoffs by losing two games he really should have no trouble winning. Care to name anyone who actually is clutch instead? Fantasy? Skyhigh? These two are PL PO Bonjwas Trust me. If those two players are ever become skilled enough to get the high number of games in the play-offs that Jaedong under his bag, and the extra-attention from the opposing teams that comes with it, they won't look so clutch either. Fantasy is a damn reliable player that you could depend on in a high stress Proleague situation. He's pretty bad in finals series but he's rock solid when he's playing low number of games. Jaedong presumably does worse in Proleague because there is a team behind the player playing against him and thus aren't shitting their pants like Kal does or Free did against Flash. Even Fantasy played amazing SK terran against him on Outsider. Okay, I'll put it this way. Hwaseung Oz wouldn't trade ANYONE for Jaedong, no matter how much more "clutch" he is. Anyone would look mortal given enough exposure like Jaedong, and that includes Flash, Fantasy, or anyone you could name. There has been times when Hwaseung Oz pulled through simply because of Jaedong, and a couple of times relying too much on him back-fired, like today. Do you expect Jaedong to fight other teams all by himself AND succeed all the time? Come on, that's not being clutch. That would be playing god.
You don't need to win all the time. You just have to win when it counts.
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On July 06 2010 20:46 Nitan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 20:44 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:34 Subwoofermate wrote:On July 06 2010 20:28 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:24 SkytoM wrote:On July 06 2010 20:24 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:20 Subwoofermate wrote:
At the end of the day, seems like Jaedong is the dude who is never really clutch in proleague...
Not the first time he's completely screwed up. The 4 pool against Skyhigh, losing twice in the Proleague Finals, losing against Frozean and lucky to have Anytime and Forgg roll over Khan, and now basically ruining Oz's chances to get into the playoffs by losing two games he really should have no trouble winning. Care to name anyone who actually is clutch instead? Fantasy? Skyhigh? These two are PL PO Bonjwas Trust me. If those two players are ever become skilled enough to get the high number of games in the play-offs that Jaedong under his bag, and the extra-attention from the opposing teams that comes with it, they won't look so clutch either. Fantasy is a damn reliable player that you could depend on in a high stress Proleague situation. He's pretty bad in finals series but he's rock solid when he's playing low number of games. Jaedong presumably does worse in Proleague because there is a team behind the player playing against him and thus aren't shitting their pants like Kal does or Free did against Flash. Even Fantasy played amazing SK terran against him on Outsider. Okay, I'll put it this way. Hwaseung Oz wouldn't trade ANYONE for Jaedong, no matter how much more "clutch" he is. Anyone would look mortal given enough exposure like Jaedong, and that includes Flash, Fantasy, or anyone you could name. There has been times when Hwaseung Oz pulled through simply because of Jaedong, and a couple of times relying too much on him back-fired, like today. Do you expect Jaedong to fight other teams all by himself AND succeed all the time? Come on, that's not being clutch. That would be playing god. You don't need to win all the time. You just have to win when it counts.
Count the number of times Hwaseung Oz needed Jaedong to win. No player on earth can win "when it counts" given the situation Jaedong is under.
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On July 06 2010 20:49 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 20:46 Nitan wrote:On July 06 2010 20:44 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:34 Subwoofermate wrote:On July 06 2010 20:28 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:24 SkytoM wrote:On July 06 2010 20:24 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:20 Subwoofermate wrote:
At the end of the day, seems like Jaedong is the dude who is never really clutch in proleague...
Not the first time he's completely screwed up. The 4 pool against Skyhigh, losing twice in the Proleague Finals, losing against Frozean and lucky to have Anytime and Forgg roll over Khan, and now basically ruining Oz's chances to get into the playoffs by losing two games he really should have no trouble winning. Care to name anyone who actually is clutch instead? Fantasy? Skyhigh? These two are PL PO Bonjwas Trust me. If those two players are ever become skilled enough to get the high number of games in the play-offs that Jaedong under his bag, and the extra-attention from the opposing teams that comes with it, they won't look so clutch either. Fantasy is a damn reliable player that you could depend on in a high stress Proleague situation. He's pretty bad in finals series but he's rock solid when he's playing low number of games. Jaedong presumably does worse in Proleague because there is a team behind the player playing against him and thus aren't shitting their pants like Kal does or Free did against Flash. Even Fantasy played amazing SK terran against him on Outsider. Okay, I'll put it this way. Hwaseung Oz wouldn't trade ANYONE for Jaedong, no matter how much more "clutch" he is. Anyone would look mortal given enough exposure like Jaedong, and that includes Flash, Fantasy, or anyone you could name. There has been times when Hwaseung Oz pulled through simply because of Jaedong, and a couple of times relying too much on him back-fired, like today. Do you expect Jaedong to fight other teams all by himself AND succeed all the time? Come on, that's not being clutch. That would be playing god. You don't need to win all the time. You just have to win when it counts. Count the number of times Hwaseung Oz needed Jaedong to win. No player on earth can win "when it counts" given the situation Jaedong is under.
Jaedong is probably the player that has to win the most because his team won't carry him through a slump. KT can kinda do that, and SKT can for sure, but if Jaedong isn't doing well, there's nothing Oz can do. And the way JD plays, he can burn out sometimes. Not sure if he did here, vs Bisu it was really really close, and vs s2 it as just a small mistake that cost him the game(canceling spire vs bisu as well).
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OH MY LORD BISU BEAT JAEDONG!!! HOLY HELL!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BISU DO IT MAN! DO IT!! DO IT FOR PROTOSS AND AIUR AND FOR BEING SEXY!
Seriously though, holy crap, can't believe I missed these. I'm definitely gonna check bisu vs jd though, holy crap epic.
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Has everyone forgotten the Grand Finals ace Match that won SKT1 the title last year?
Fantasy > Jaedong
I'd call that clutch.
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On July 06 2010 20:53 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 20:49 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:46 Nitan wrote:On July 06 2010 20:44 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:34 Subwoofermate wrote:On July 06 2010 20:28 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:24 SkytoM wrote:On July 06 2010 20:24 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:20 Subwoofermate wrote:
At the end of the day, seems like Jaedong is the dude who is never really clutch in proleague...
Not the first time he's completely screwed up. The 4 pool against Skyhigh, losing twice in the Proleague Finals, losing against Frozean and lucky to have Anytime and Forgg roll over Khan, and now basically ruining Oz's chances to get into the playoffs by losing two games he really should have no trouble winning. Care to name anyone who actually is clutch instead? Fantasy? Skyhigh? These two are PL PO Bonjwas Trust me. If those two players are ever become skilled enough to get the high number of games in the play-offs that Jaedong under his bag, and the extra-attention from the opposing teams that comes with it, they won't look so clutch either. Fantasy is a damn reliable player that you could depend on in a high stress Proleague situation. He's pretty bad in finals series but he's rock solid when he's playing low number of games. Jaedong presumably does worse in Proleague because there is a team behind the player playing against him and thus aren't shitting their pants like Kal does or Free did against Flash. Even Fantasy played amazing SK terran against him on Outsider. Okay, I'll put it this way. Hwaseung Oz wouldn't trade ANYONE for Jaedong, no matter how much more "clutch" he is. Anyone would look mortal given enough exposure like Jaedong, and that includes Flash, Fantasy, or anyone you could name. There has been times when Hwaseung Oz pulled through simply because of Jaedong, and a couple of times relying too much on him back-fired, like today. Do you expect Jaedong to fight other teams all by himself AND succeed all the time? Come on, that's not being clutch. That would be playing god. You don't need to win all the time. You just have to win when it counts. Count the number of times Hwaseung Oz needed Jaedong to win. No player on earth can win "when it counts" given the situation Jaedong is under. Jaedong is probably the player that has to win the most because his team won't carry him through a slump. KT can kinda do that, and SKT can for sure, but if Jaedong isn't doing well, there's nothing Oz can do. And the way JD plays, he can burn out sometimes. Not sure if he did here, vs Bisu it was really really close, and vs s2 it as just a small mistake that cost him the game(canceling spire vs bisu as well).
Makes me think after seeing his team continuously fail to support him over and over if Jaedong is starting to get sick of Hwaseung Oz. I really hope he jumps ship and signs onto another team that can actually back him up, like Wemade or even eStro, for his own sake..
Oz is a dead end as far as I can see. The only half-decent player developing is Killer, the Protoss line up is absolutely abysmal, and Lomo and Hiya can only do so much to help. Jaedong is truly a genius to have maintained such an insane level of play with such terrible practice partners..
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Finally, Kim Taek Yong woke up ^^
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On July 06 2010 21:01 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 20:53 Lightwip wrote:On July 06 2010 20:49 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:46 Nitan wrote:On July 06 2010 20:44 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:34 Subwoofermate wrote:On July 06 2010 20:28 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:24 SkytoM wrote:On July 06 2010 20:24 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:20 Subwoofermate wrote:
At the end of the day, seems like Jaedong is the dude who is never really clutch in proleague...
Not the first time he's completely screwed up. The 4 pool against Skyhigh, losing twice in the Proleague Finals, losing against Frozean and lucky to have Anytime and Forgg roll over Khan, and now basically ruining Oz's chances to get into the playoffs by losing two games he really should have no trouble winning. Care to name anyone who actually is clutch instead? Fantasy? Skyhigh? These two are PL PO Bonjwas Trust me. If those two players are ever become skilled enough to get the high number of games in the play-offs that Jaedong under his bag, and the extra-attention from the opposing teams that comes with it, they won't look so clutch either. Fantasy is a damn reliable player that you could depend on in a high stress Proleague situation. He's pretty bad in finals series but he's rock solid when he's playing low number of games. Jaedong presumably does worse in Proleague because there is a team behind the player playing against him and thus aren't shitting their pants like Kal does or Free did against Flash. Even Fantasy played amazing SK terran against him on Outsider. Okay, I'll put it this way. Hwaseung Oz wouldn't trade ANYONE for Jaedong, no matter how much more "clutch" he is. Anyone would look mortal given enough exposure like Jaedong, and that includes Flash, Fantasy, or anyone you could name. There has been times when Hwaseung Oz pulled through simply because of Jaedong, and a couple of times relying too much on him back-fired, like today. Do you expect Jaedong to fight other teams all by himself AND succeed all the time? Come on, that's not being clutch. That would be playing god. You don't need to win all the time. You just have to win when it counts. Count the number of times Hwaseung Oz needed Jaedong to win. No player on earth can win "when it counts" given the situation Jaedong is under. Jaedong is probably the player that has to win the most because his team won't carry him through a slump. KT can kinda do that, and SKT can for sure, but if Jaedong isn't doing well, there's nothing Oz can do. And the way JD plays, he can burn out sometimes. Not sure if he did here, vs Bisu it was really really close, and vs s2 it as just a small mistake that cost him the game(canceling spire vs bisu as well). Makes me think after seeing his team continuously fail to support him over and over if Jaedong is starting to get sick of Hwaseung Oz. I really hope he jumps ship and signs onto another team that can actually back him up, like Wemade or even eStro, for his own sake.. Oz is a dead end as far as I can see. The only half-decent player developing is Killer, the Protoss line up is absolutely abysmal, and Lomo and Hiya can only do so much to help. Jaedong is truly a genius to have maintained such an insane level of play with such terrible practice partners..
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong#Free_Agency_Controversy
He does want to leave, but he really can't.
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On July 06 2010 20:43 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 20:40 Welmu wrote:On July 06 2010 20:36 Lightwip wrote:
In other news, Bisu vs JD is now tied in head-to-head(in ranked games). Wrong! Bisu is leading 5-4 now... Ah, my bad, I also included the GomTV games. W/o gomtv it's 5-4, with it's 7-7.
ok no problem ^^~
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On July 06 2010 20:46 Nitan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 20:44 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:34 Subwoofermate wrote:On July 06 2010 20:28 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:24 SkytoM wrote:On July 06 2010 20:24 Letmelose wrote:On July 06 2010 20:20 Subwoofermate wrote:
At the end of the day, seems like Jaedong is the dude who is never really clutch in proleague...
Not the first time he's completely screwed up. The 4 pool against Skyhigh, losing twice in the Proleague Finals, losing against Frozean and lucky to have Anytime and Forgg roll over Khan, and now basically ruining Oz's chances to get into the playoffs by losing two games he really should have no trouble winning. Care to name anyone who actually is clutch instead? Fantasy? Skyhigh? These two are PL PO Bonjwas Trust me. If those two players are ever become skilled enough to get the high number of games in the play-offs that Jaedong under his bag, and the extra-attention from the opposing teams that comes with it, they won't look so clutch either. Fantasy is a damn reliable player that you could depend on in a high stress Proleague situation. He's pretty bad in finals series but he's rock solid when he's playing low number of games. Jaedong presumably does worse in Proleague because there is a team behind the player playing against him and thus aren't shitting their pants like Kal does or Free did against Flash. Even Fantasy played amazing SK terran against him on Outsider. Okay, I'll put it this way. Hwaseung Oz wouldn't trade ANYONE for Jaedong, no matter how much more "clutch" he is. Anyone would look mortal given enough exposure like Jaedong, and that includes Flash, Fantasy, or anyone you could name. There has been times when Hwaseung Oz pulled through simply because of Jaedong, and a couple of times relying too much on him back-fired, like today. Do you expect Jaedong to fight other teams all by himself AND succeed all the time? Come on, that's not being clutch. That would be playing god. You don't need to win all the time. You just have to win when it counts.
wtf are you talking man? Jaedong pulled the goddamn team all the way through, "not clutch"? I guess the next thing you will say is Jae is slumping, goddamn,
"You don't need to win all the time. You just have to win when it counts" hahaa, omg, lol
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