Terran - The Pride of War Classic - 김도우 - Kim Doh Woo Sea - 염보성 - Yum Bo Sung Fantasy - 정명훈 - Jung Myung Hoon fOrGG - 박지수 - Park Ji Soo Really - 박상우 - Park Sang Woo Light - 이재호 - Lee Jae Ho sKyHigh -조병세 - Jo Byung Se
Zerg – Overcome All Action - 김성대 - Kim Seong Dae Hyuk - 박재혁 - Park Jae Hyuk HoGiL - 김상욱 - Kim Sang Wook RorO - 신노열 - Shin No Yeol s2 - 이승석 - Lee Seung Suk ZerO - 김명운 - Kim Myung Woon Hydra - 신동원 - Shin Dong Won hero - 조일장 - Jo Il Jang EffOrt - 김정우 - Kim Jung Woo
Protoss – Victory After Victory Violet - 우정호 - Woo Jung Ho Kal - 김구현 - Kim Ku Hyun Stats - 김대엽 - Kim Dae Yeob Snow - 장윤철 - Jang Yoon Chul JangBi - 허영무 - Heo Yeong Moo Bisu - 김택용 - Kim Taek Yong Tyson - 박수범 - Park Soo Bum Shuttle - 김윤중 - Kim Yoon Joong
Thanks. So the seeds are each in their own group and basically get to choose their groups. Is that basically how it is? Also, SKT has 4 players in, epic.
On June 23 2010 11:11 Lightwip wrote: Thanks. So the seeds are each in their own group and basically get to choose their groups. Is that basically how it is? Also, SKT has 4 players in, epic.
not exactly its basically like all 24 players pick a group, after that seed #8 makes 2 changes (I think 2 changes are allowed). After that #7 makes his switches but he still can undo what #8 made. So it goes on till #1. The idea is basically to avoid having a group with teammates , or just pick your opponents on personal matter.
On June 23 2010 11:11 Lightwip wrote: Thanks. So the seeds are each in their own group and basically get to choose their groups. Is that basically how it is? Also, SKT has 4 players in, epic.
not exactly its basically like all 24 players pick a group, after that seed #8 makes 2 changes (I think 2 changes are allowed). After that #7 makes his switches but he still can undo what #8 made. So it goes on till #1. The idea is basically to avoid having a group with teammates , or just pick your opponents on personal matter.
Really hoping that Bisu can make a big resurgence here, I was never a huge fan of him but it was a long time ago that we had a protoss close to the level of Jaedong and Flash (You could argue that Stork was for a bit, but it was so short lived). Would love for a Bisu playing to his potential to meet Jaedong in a Bo5 (with Jaedong eventually winning though, of course).
I'm hoping flash gets bisu in his group and bisu pulls out a new bisu-build equiv and completely stomps his ass. I'm hoping for Jaedong to go all the way with this one though...
On June 24 2010 03:05 CROrens wrote: Where are by.han and by.hero? They advanced from group 11 (i checked that on liquibet). They use some differend nicknames?
by.hero's there. by.han also goes by the name Tyson.
On June 24 2010 03:21 Shiladie wrote: I'm hoping flash gets bisu in his group and bisu pulls out a new bisu-build equiv and completely stomps his ass. I'm hoping for Jaedong to go all the way with this one though...
I'm hoping bisu wins this one and becomes the first person to get 4 MSLs, while JD wins the OSL also becoming the first and only person to win 4 OSLs.
On June 24 2010 03:21 Shiladie wrote: I'm hoping flash gets bisu in his group and bisu pulls out a new bisu-build equiv and completely stomps his ass. I'm hoping for Jaedong to go all the way with this one though...
I'm hoping bisu wins this one and becomes the first person to get 4 MSLs, while JD wins the OSL also becoming the first and only person to win 4 OSLs.
The other way around would also satisfy me. Bisu gets his first OSL and Jaedong the Golden Badge/Tie with Nada.
On June 24 2010 03:21 Shiladie wrote: I'm hoping flash gets bisu in his group and bisu pulls out a new bisu-build equiv and completely stomps his ass. I'm hoping for Jaedong to go all the way with this one though...
I'm hoping bisu wins this one and becomes the first person to get 4 MSLs, while JD wins the OSL also becoming the first and only person to win 4 OSLs.
The other way around would also satisfy me. Bisu gets his first OSL and Jaedong the Golden Badge/Tie with Nada.
Nada would still be more accomplished than Jaedong even if Jaedong wins this MSL.
Nada had a longer history of consistency, far more medals (non-starleague ones), greater period of domination (sitting at #1 Kespa).
On June 24 2010 03:21 Shiladie wrote: I'm hoping flash gets bisu in his group and bisu pulls out a new bisu-build equiv and completely stomps his ass. I'm hoping for Jaedong to go all the way with this one though...
I'm hoping bisu wins this one and becomes the first person to get 4 MSLs, while JD wins the OSL also becoming the first and only person to win 4 OSLs.
The other way around would also satisfy me. Bisu gets his first OSL and Jaedong the Golden Badge/Tie with Nada.
I still want Bisu to come back and be the Last Bonjwa. . *sigh* My futile hopes....
I'm a bit confused, is this a group tournament or a individual tournament. Since there are seeds I thought it would be individual, but you also pick teams? Someone clarify for me? If you want to.
Yes he was. He didnt make it out of the all protoss group though. Had he failed in Survivor last season (which he didnt; he beat Baby and Modesty) then he wouldnt have been in the MSL.
On June 24 2010 03:21 Shiladie wrote: I'm hoping flash gets bisu in his group and bisu pulls out a new bisu-build equiv and completely stomps his ass. I'm hoping for Jaedong to go all the way with this one though...
I'm hoping bisu wins this one and becomes the first person to get 4 MSLs, while JD wins the OSL also becoming the first and only person to win 4 OSLs.
The other way around would also satisfy me. Bisu gets his first OSL and Jaedong the Golden Badge/Tie with Nada.
On June 24 2010 04:38 Tempest[OEC] wrote: Yes he was. He didnt make it out of the all protoss group though. Had he failed in Survivor last season (which he didnt; he beat Baby and Modesty) then he wouldnt have been in the MSL.
Sorry, you are right. I confused him with someone...I think *scratches his head*
Seriously, MSL and OSL both are so ridiculously balanced by race this time it's not even funny. Also, almost everyone that you would like to see advance is in one or the other, or both.
Hoping for Taek-Bang dual victory!
It will be interesting to see what crazy antics will be pulled by Hiya and the other jokers as well. No Kwanro to beg Flash for forgiveness this time though.
On June 24 2010 12:18 Crisium wrote: Stork can still destroy all in the OSL. Besides, he has almost always done better there. Last time he missed making OSL Ro16 was how many years ago?
I think hes made every single one since ever 2007. Thats tons of round of 16s in a row. Its hard to believe almost he hasn't failed to qualify once in or has been seeded in for over 3 years.
On June 24 2010 12:40 pettter wrote: Seriously, MSL and OSL both are so ridiculously balanced by race this time it's not even funny. Also, almost everyone that you would like to see advance is in one or the other, or both.
Hoping for Taek-Bang dual victory!
It will be interesting to see what crazy antics will be pulled by Hiya and the other jokers as well. No Kwanro to beg Flash for forgiveness this time though.
On June 24 2010 17:08 pripple wrote: all protoss group for JD please
Statsurance pls. But JD doesn't need insurance, he'd beat anyone pretty easily. But hopefully he won't try to put any good players in his group + Show Spoiler +
On June 24 2010 18:40 Artotits wrote: did hero choose Bisu?
No, he chose Jangbi. Shuttle just chose Bisu.
Edit: Shuttle says he picked him cause they were in the same group together last time as well, and that he hopes to advance again. Originally he wanted to pick Jangbi himself.
16-fantasy: switches sKyHigh with Snow (Snow-fantasy, Skyhigh-Hiya) 15-Zero: Switches himself with RorO (same matchup, different spot) 14-Light: Switches himself with Hydra (now against Jaedong) 13-ForGG: Passes (still against HoGiL) 12-Kal: Passes (still against han) 11-Sea: Switches himself with Stats (still against each other) 10-Jangbi: Switches himself with Kal, now against han in group H, Kal vs. by.hero in G. 9-KIMTAEKYONG REVOLUTIONIST: passes (still against Shuttle)
16-fantasy: switches himself with Action, leading to Action vs. Skyhigh (A), fantasy - MVP (F) 15-Zero: Switches himself with RorO (same matchup, different spot) 14-Light: Switches himself with Hydra (now against Jaedong) 13-ForGG: Passes (still against HoGiL) 12-Kal: Passes (still against han) 11-Sea: Switches himself with Stats (still against each other) 10-Jangbi: Switches himself with Kal, now against han in group H, Kal vs. by.hero in G. 9-KIMTAEKYONG REVOLUTIONIST: passes (still against Shuttle)
Still to pick 8- Midas - switches Bisu vs. Action. (Bisu now group A vs. Skyhigh, Action vs. Shuttle) 7- MVP - switches han with fantasy? 6 - great - switches Sea with Really (Sea now group A vs. Flash, Really vs.Stats in F) 5- HiyA - switches by.hero with snow; now hero vs. Hiya, Snow vs. Kal 4- free - Changes Really with Zero; now Zero vs. Stats and Really vs. Roro 3- Calm - changes Action with Violet; Now Action vs. Hydra and Violet vs. Shuttle 2- Jaedong - switches Light with han (han vs. Jaedong, Light vs. MVP); switches Really with Effort; Now Midas vs. Really (E), Effort vs. Roro (B) 1- Flash - Effort with Skyhigh. Now Effort vs. Bisu, Skyhigh vs. Roro.
LOL. Effort's reaction. Before, when Jaedong picked him, he said he'd make him regret his choice. Now they asked him what he thinks of his new situation. "You know, it doesn't really matter who it is. I'm going to make Flash regret it as well."
Sea has been going on for a while about the fact that he'd like to play Flash, but he just can't cause he's meeting someone on that date... Now he said that again.
Flash having a go at Effort, Flash: you have one title your confidence is way too high for someone who has 1 title how dare you challenge someone who has 3 LOL
Flash explains: "I'm focusing more on Proleague these days than the individual leagues. So I thought I should make my group a little easier." (He picked s2, I think, so he exchanged Bisu for another SKT player. Not quite sure where Bisu is now.)
16-fantasy: switches himself with Action, leading to Action vs. Skyhigh (A), fantasy - MVP (F) 15-Zero: Switches himself with RorO (same matchup, different spot) 14-Light: Switches himself with Hydra (now against Jaedong) 13-ForGG: Passes (still against HoGiL) 12-Kal: Passes (still against han) 11-Sea: Switches himself with Stats (still against each other) 10-Jangbi: Switches himself with Kal, now against han in group H, Kal vs. by.hero in G. 9-KIMTAEKYONG REVOLUTIONIST: passes (still against Shuttle)
8- Midas - switches Bisu vs. Action. (Bisu now group A vs. Skyhigh, Action vs. Shuttle) 7- MVP - switches han with fantasy? 6 - great - switches Sea with Really (Sea now group A vs. Flash, Really vs.Stats in F) 5- HiyA - switches by.hero with snow; now hero vs. Hiya, Snow vs. Kal 4- free - Changes Really with Zero; now Zero vs. Stats and Really vs. Roro 3- Calm - changes Action with Violet; Now Action vs. Hydra and Violet vs. Shuttle 2- Jaedong - switches Light with han (han vs. Jaedong, Light vs. MVP); switches Really with Effort; Now Midas vs. Really (E), Effort vs. Roro (B) 1- Flash - Effort with Skyhigh. Now Effort vs. Bisu, Skyhigh vs. Roro; Switches Bisu with s2, now Bisu vs. Calm, s2 vs. Effort; switches Sea with Classic.
Sea: "Sorry for being so selfish..." (He's trying to find someone who's willing to take on Flash.) He suggests... Hero, I think. Flash: "No, Hero is doing too well..."
I'm amazed that they're so easy-going about this... Flash can do whatever he feels like, but he's trying to find something so that everyone is satisfied.
Yep, it's classic. Lol, commentator asks him: "You don't also a date too next week, right"? (referring to the silly excuse Sea was hanging on to, that he has to take his mother out to dinner or something...)
On June 24 2010 20:45 roronoe wrote: All the groups are pretty balanced. No particular group of death.
Imagine if that Group A was left as is and Flash didn't do anything about it ... Flash vs Sea and EffOrt vs Bisu ... lol a "could've been" group of death.
On June 24 2010 20:45 roronoe wrote: All the groups are pretty balanced. No particular group of death.
Imagine if that Group A was left as is and Flash didn't do anything about it ... Flash vs Sea and EffOrt vs Bisu ... lol a "could've been" group of death.
I'm happy that Flash changed it, because otherwise two good players would automatically be out
On June 24 2010 20:45 roronoe wrote: All the groups are pretty balanced. No particular group of death.
Imagine if that Group A was left as is and Flash didn't do anything about it ... Flash vs Sea and EffOrt vs Bisu ... lol a "could've been" group of death.
I'm happy that Flash changed it, because otherwise two good players would automatically be out
Me too, it would've been hard for Bisu which is not what I want but in a Bo3 or Bo5 I believe Bisu can take any of those 3 players
On June 24 2010 20:45 roronoe wrote: All the groups are pretty balanced. No particular group of death.
Imagine if that Group A was left as is and Flash didn't do anything about it ... Flash vs Sea and EffOrt vs Bisu ... lol a "could've been" group of death.
I'm happy that Flash changed it, because otherwise two good players would automatically be out
Which players currently in group A are you trying to say aren't good, exactly? s2 doesn't have a great record but he has improved a lot. Classic has a great record so far but he has only had 13 televised matches. I'm pretty sure this is the first major tournament for both of them.
If anything the current groups are good because they give players like Sea, who have been around a long time but haven't had much success, a better chance of advancing. The problem is that we don't know how many more Starcraft tournaments there are going to be so it's not like we can confidently say "s2 and Classic will have their chance in 2012".
On June 24 2010 20:45 roronoe wrote: All the groups are pretty balanced. No particular group of death.
Imagine if that Group A was left as is and Flash didn't do anything about it ... Flash vs Sea and EffOrt vs Bisu ... lol a "could've been" group of death.
I'm happy that Flash changed it, because otherwise two good players would automatically be out
Me too, it would've been hard for Bisu which is not what I want but in a Bo3 or Bo5 I believe Bisu can take any of those 3 players
Although Bisu has shown better results over the last 2 weeks, do you really believe he could win a bo3 or a bo5 between anyone of those players. O.O;;
Bisu`s PvZ hasn`t really been tested at all yet. He has some good competition in that group. For some reason I don`t think he`s going to make it out of the group stages. :<
Bisu in the group with only Zerg should make it easier for him to qualify but we all remember that the last time he was in a group with all zergs (Zero, Savior and Magma) he got eliminated.
I hope Flash will show Effort who's better this time.
Jaedong should pull it out quite easily.
And don't underestimate Classic. The guy is actually pretty decent and has a good record.
On June 23 2010 18:53 Vasoline73 wrote: Get Bisu out of that picture imo
your racist againt protosses? Bisu has won 3 MSL golds and still is one of the best protosses. currently 5game winstreak
Lol, the five win streak against skyhigh, roro, and mind? none of which have been performing at anything in any recent memory. And this "streak" is preceeded by a 6 game losing streak. Bisu has been sucking ass for the last couple months, theres no way bisu can stand in the same picture as the other three. Hell, I don't even think effort should be in there.
On June 24 2010 23:45 Lebesgue wrote: Bisu in the group with only Zerg should make it easier for him to qualify but we all remember that the last time he was in a group with all zergs (Zero, Savior and Magma) he got eliminated. .
Sigh the last two times Bisu was in an all-zerg group he failed , and both were when he was in dominant form
On June 25 2010 01:00 d(O.o)a wrote: Damnit bisu will get eliminated, hasn't he learned that having a group with 3 zergs means a slow and painful death for him?
So what did you want him to do? you think he would have stood a better chance being in the same group as Flash and Effort? this is the best chance he's had out of the group options that he had. Its good that he asked to be moved.
Bisu's all zerg group is gonna be funny as hell. Jaedong has a free ride as long as he doesn't flop most balanced group is group G i think, bu there isn't really a group of death per-say.
Effort vs flash in group A will be interesting, but the other 2 are fodder enough it would be strange if they both didn't advance.
This is going to be so fun to write about. I don't really care for Bisu, but I'd like to see him back in form... Time for him to Revolutionize PvZ again?
On June 25 2010 01:00 d(O.o)a wrote: Damnit bisu will get eliminated, hasn't he learned that having a group with 3 zergs means a slow and painful death for him?
So what did you want him to do? you think he would have stood a better chance being in the same group as Flash and Effort? this is the best chance he's had out of the group options that he had. Its good that he asked to be moved.
Actually I think Bisu would have had a better chance in Flash's group than in a all zerg one. :p
Bisu never makes it out of the "easy" groups, yet hard ones dont seem such a big problem to him...
Bisu's game against Hyvaa later tonight will be a sign of things to come for his MSL group. Even though Hvyaa isn't "good," Bisu needs any wins he can get at this point in time.
On June 25 2010 03:02 Assymptotic wrote: Bisu's game against Hyvaa later tonight will be a sign of things to come for his MSL group. Even though Hvyaa isn't "good," Bisu needs any wins he can get at this point in time.
All guys in Bisu's group are not especially good in zvp. Calm is decent but he is out of shape
Group C is a group of death. But that's only because Bisu is in it. It really looks pretty easy. I wouldn't expect clam nor hydra(an epic ZvZ, he'll probably win his) to beat Bisu. Even after being out of it for so long and saying that his skills are fading, he still manages to play an epic game. Also, he only has 1 MU to prepare for.
On June 25 2010 03:33 Lightwip wrote: Group C is a group of death. But that's only because Bisu is in it. It really looks pretty easy. I wouldn't expect clam nor hydra(an epic ZvZ, he'll probably win his) to beat Bisu. Even after being out of it for so long and saying that his skills are fading, he still manages to play an epic game. Also, he only has 1 MU to prepare for.
This is how its been since the beginning of time, but somehow he always manages to lose -_-
On June 25 2010 03:33 Lightwip wrote: Group C is a group of death. But that's only because Bisu is in it. It really looks pretty easy. I wouldn't expect clam nor hydra(an epic ZvZ, he'll probably win his) to beat Bisu. Even after being out of it for so long and saying that his skills are fading, he still manages to play an epic game. Also, he only has 1 MU to prepare for.
Yea people say this all the time and you know what happens?
Bisu loses like all three games, and badly at that. His skills are slowly coming back but I wouldn't just expect Bisu to win, he doesn't deserve that benefit of the doubt anymore.
BISU and the three zergs, I hope he has some deadly practice (only 1 m/u) and comes with some sick builds. Looking forward to see these games play out I really like the groups.
I think group F is the toughest with three in-form players- Light, Kal and Snow. Having said that Light's TvP is so bad I think Kal and Snow should get through pretty easily.
On June 25 2010 13:59 lyhb wrote: i think bisu is screwed... beating calm and action in pvz will be a tall order
As long as he can play well enough that it becomes ZvB, nobody plays the MU with the same intensity as him. As long as he doesn't just die to some hydra bust.
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