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On June 23 2010 15:07 n.DieJokes wrote:
It's the beating Jaedong in a Bo5 curse! Hardly documented because of its rarity it's one of if not the most potent curse in pro-gaming. I mean just look at poor Rock, he used to have potential, now he can't even get a game on ace. And ForGG, well he lost every game for a year and half and got kicked off his team... a mild case. And poor Calm... it breaks my hear to see him, his mind split in two by acute schizophrenia
Wow just wow, it all makes sense now.
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On June 23 2010 15:04 danl9rm wrote:
He just said Really was a baller terran. I was giving him more credit than he deserved.
But, seriously, everyone was saying how invincible flash was, and even moreso his TvT, and yet here he stands, 0-5 TvT aces.
Actually, watching his games, his TvT has been his most vulnerable matchup for a little while now. "FvT" is several months old at this point.
It's worth noting that I think his vT dropoff might be in part due to the lack of serious contenders in individual leagues--leading to Flash slowing his advancement in the matchup. If you recall the "Enlightenment" article from a while back, most of the discussion was limited to TvP and TvZ (as the only Terran that Flash needed to deal with at the time was MVP--not exactly a tough match). While Flash's TvP has become a deadly mix of greedy and aggressive styles, I feel like his lack of meaningful TvT matches means that he hasn't had time to make his TvT as invincible as his TvP currently is.
On June 23 2010 15:04 danl9rm wrote:
Other people are saying, "pft, not hard when all the other team has to do is train to snipe a T."
#1. That doesn't make him unstoppable, does it?
#2. Isn't that what Jaedong has had to contend with... forever?
(Ya, i know, sometimes Oz gets crafty and sends out Killer[another zerg] as ace!)
edit: ya, ya, i know flash is good. broodwar needs 2 super dominant players. it's good for business, and hype. but i'm still not ready to put flash dominantly above jd. just ain't gona happen.
The Jaedong comparison (which an Oz fan just HAD to bring in) is interesting, because IIRC there was a period in the middle of last year where the exact same thing happened to Jaedong--people "figured out" JvZ. In the period of about a month, Jaedong dropped out of both GOM and MSL in ZvZ sets, and lost to Hyuk in PL finals.
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On June 23 2010 15:05 Antiochus wrote:
I wonder what the record is for most consecutive ace match losses.
beautiful =)
bye bye flash . see you in hell .
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On June 23 2010 15:05 Antiochus wrote:
I wonder what the record is for most consecutive ace match losses.
Roro has also lost his last 5 ace matches (but you gotta go back to round 2 inclusively)
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On June 23 2010 15:13 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:04 danl9rm wrote:
He just said Really was a baller terran. I was giving him more credit than he deserved.
But, seriously, everyone was saying how invincible flash was, and even moreso his TvT, and yet here he stands, 0-5 TvT aces. Actually, watching his games, his TvT has been his most vulnerable matchup for a little while now. "FvT" is several months old at this point. It's worth noting that I think his vT dropoff might be in part due to the lack of serious contenders in individual leagues--leading to Flash slowing his advancement in the matchup. If you recall the "Enlightenment" article from a while back, most of the discussion was limited to TvP and TvZ (as the only Terran that Flash needed to deal with at the time was MVP--not exactly a tough match). While Flash's TvP has become a deadly mix of greedy and aggressive styles, I feel like his lack of meaningful TvT matches means that he hasn't had time to make his TvT as invincible as his TvP currently is. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:04 danl9rm wrote:
Other people are saying, "pft, not hard when all the other team has to do is train to snipe a T."
#1. That doesn't make him unstoppable, does it?
#2. Isn't that what Jaedong has had to contend with... forever?
(Ya, i know, sometimes Oz gets crafty and sends out Killer[another zerg] as ace!)
edit: ya, ya, i know flash is good. broodwar needs 2 super dominant players. it's good for business, and hype. but i'm still not ready to put flash dominantly above jd. just ain't gona happen. The Jaedong comparison (which an Oz fan just HAD to bring in) is interesting, because IIRC there was a period in the middle of last year where the exact same thing happened to Jaedong--people "figured out" JvZ. In the period of about a month, Jaedong dropped out of both GOM and MSL in ZvZ sets, and lost to Hyuk in PL finals.
dont compare JvZ and gagFvT please .
JvZ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gagFvT from far and easy .
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On June 23 2010 15:13 vaMpYr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:05 Antiochus wrote:
I wonder what the record is for most consecutive ace match losses. beautiful =) bye bye flash . see you in hell .
Says the STX fan. While both teams are in free-fall, at least KT can GET to ace matches.
On June 23 2010 15:15 vaMpYr wrote:
dont compare JvZ and gagFvT please .
JvZ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gagFvT from far and easy .
So you respond to a comparison with a fanboyism. Ok.
Come back when you feel like actually responding to the point of my post.
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On June 23 2010 15:12 asdfTT123 wrote:
Poor flash...I don't really like the guy but it hurts to see his face like that in the booth.
Seems like everyone, their mom, grandma, and dog can beat him in ace matches now. :/
Everyone except Idra ofc.
Funny thing is, anyone's strategy vs KT is just about the opposite of Oz's strategy in every game.
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On June 23 2010 15:16 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:13 vaMpYr wrote:On June 23 2010 15:05 Antiochus wrote:
I wonder what the record is for most consecutive ace match losses. beautiful =) bye bye flash . see you in hell . Says the STX fan. While both teams are in free-fall, at least KT can GET to ace matches. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:15 vaMpYr wrote:
dont compare JvZ and gagFvT please .
JvZ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gagFvT from far and easy . So you respond to a comparison with a fanboyism. Ok. Come back when you feel like actually responding to the point of my post.
Why are u so bitter? Winning a ZvZ is a lot more complicated than TvT no? and JvZ has been around since when?
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On June 23 2010 15:12 OreoBoi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:04 lyhb wrote:
people in the forums underate really... imo his tvt and tvp are godly(maybe even better than flash who is overated), if he can only improve on his tvz So godly that daezang beat him with one reaver.... Really doesn't even come close to the level of Flash. He's a good terran, and he might be getting better, but don't kid yourself. Right now you can't even compare Really with Flash. How is Flash overrated?
werent you watching the game? i have never seen flash get owned that bad... tvt at that
yes i do reckon that really's tvt and tvp are on par or better than flash. i just call it like it is, not a blind fanboy like you are apparently
maps as of late are just terran favoured. main reason being why he had that crazy win streaks...
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In the mind of TheYango, 72% is greater than 76%
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On June 23 2010 15:13 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:04 danl9rm wrote:
He just said Really was a baller terran. I was giving him more credit than he deserved.
But, seriously, everyone was saying how invincible flash was, and even moreso his TvT, and yet here he stands, 0-5 TvT aces. Actually, watching his games, his TvT has been his most vulnerable matchup for a little while now. "FvT" is several months old at this point. It's worth noting that I think his vT dropoff might be in part due to the lack of serious contenders in individual leagues--leading to Flash slowing his advancement in the matchup. If you recall the "Enlightenment" article from a while back, most of the discussion was limited to TvP and TvZ (as the only Terran that Flash needed to deal with at the time was MVP--not exactly a tough match). While Flash's TvP has become a deadly mix of greedy and aggressive styles, I feel like his lack of meaningful TvT matches means that he hasn't had time to make his TvT as invincible as his TvP currently is. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:04 danl9rm wrote:
Other people are saying, "pft, not hard when all the other team has to do is train to snipe a T."
#1. That doesn't make him unstoppable, does it?
#2. Isn't that what Jaedong has had to contend with... forever?
(Ya, i know, sometimes Oz gets crafty and sends out Killer[another zerg] as ace!)
edit: ya, ya, i know flash is good. broodwar needs 2 super dominant players. it's good for business, and hype. but i'm still not ready to put flash dominantly above jd. just ain't gona happen. The Jaedong comparison (which an Oz fan just HAD to bring in) is interesting, because IIRC there was a period in the middle of last year where the exact same thing happened to Jaedong--people "figured out" JvZ. In the period of about a month, Jaedong dropped out of both GOM and MSL in ZvZ sets, and lost to Hyuk in PL finals.
Not trying to make an excuse for Jaedong, his ZvZ had dropped off quite a bit during that stretch, but you have to keep in mind his schedule was WAY worse than what Flash is going through right now. Losing to Calm came right after a humiliating PL finals performance that included a heartbreaking loss to Fantasy. There was a lot of emotional stress going on for him.
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On June 23 2010 15:05 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 14:49 tedster wrote:
Really with a commanding army advantage! Why is flash playing him in a macro game? That's a terrible idea :O Just read what you said and fix it please.
What are you talking about? Flash regularly loses to Really in straight macro games. Really is a better straight macro TvTer than Flash, at least head to head on that map.
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Wait a minute darktreb... did you switch teams?
On June 23 2010 15:07 n.DieJokes wrote:
It's the beating Jaedong in a Bo5 curse! Hardly documented because of its rarity it's one of if not the most potent curse in pro-gaming. I mean just look at poor Rock, he used to have potential, now he can't even get a game on ace. And ForGG, well he lost every game for a year and half and got kicked off his team... a mild case. And poor Calm... it breaks my hear to see him, his mind split in two by acute schizophrenia
Also this is amazing.
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Wait, I count six consecutive ace losses, not five? Where am I messing up? Snow, Ruby, Hiya, SkyHigh, Baby, and Really. That's six, yes?...
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On June 23 2010 15:21 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:13 TheYango wrote:On June 23 2010 15:04 danl9rm wrote:
He just said Really was a baller terran. I was giving him more credit than he deserved.
But, seriously, everyone was saying how invincible flash was, and even moreso his TvT, and yet here he stands, 0-5 TvT aces. Actually, watching his games, his TvT has been his most vulnerable matchup for a little while now. "FvT" is several months old at this point. It's worth noting that I think his vT dropoff might be in part due to the lack of serious contenders in individual leagues--leading to Flash slowing his advancement in the matchup. If you recall the "Enlightenment" article from a while back, most of the discussion was limited to TvP and TvZ (as the only Terran that Flash needed to deal with at the time was MVP--not exactly a tough match). While Flash's TvP has become a deadly mix of greedy and aggressive styles, I feel like his lack of meaningful TvT matches means that he hasn't had time to make his TvT as invincible as his TvP currently is. On June 23 2010 15:04 danl9rm wrote:
Other people are saying, "pft, not hard when all the other team has to do is train to snipe a T."
#1. That doesn't make him unstoppable, does it?
#2. Isn't that what Jaedong has had to contend with... forever?
(Ya, i know, sometimes Oz gets crafty and sends out Killer[another zerg] as ace!)
edit: ya, ya, i know flash is good. broodwar needs 2 super dominant players. it's good for business, and hype. but i'm still not ready to put flash dominantly above jd. just ain't gona happen. The Jaedong comparison (which an Oz fan just HAD to bring in) is interesting, because IIRC there was a period in the middle of last year where the exact same thing happened to Jaedong--people "figured out" JvZ. In the period of about a month, Jaedong dropped out of both GOM and MSL in ZvZ sets, and lost to Hyuk in PL finals. Not trying to make an excuse for Jaedong, his ZvZ had dropped off quite a bit during that stretch, but you have to keep in mind his schedule was WAY worse than what Flash is going through right now. Losing to Calm came right after a humiliating PL finals performance that included a heartbreaking loss to Fantasy. There was a lot of emotional stress going on for him.
On top of that JvZ has long since come back since getting "figured out."
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On June 23 2010 15:21 tedster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:05 Scarecrow wrote:On June 23 2010 14:49 tedster wrote:
Really with a commanding army advantage! Why is flash playing him in a macro game? That's a terrible idea :O Just read what you said and fix it please. What are you talking about? Flash regularly loses to Really in straight macro games. Really is a better straight macro TvTer than Flash, at least head to head on that map.
very true... and i love how the fanboys deny it
i have never seen flash get owned like that in tvt
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On June 23 2010 15:19 mkchoi0801 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:16 TheYango wrote:On June 23 2010 15:13 vaMpYr wrote:On June 23 2010 15:05 Antiochus wrote:
I wonder what the record is for most consecutive ace match losses. beautiful =) bye bye flash . see you in hell . Says the STX fan. While both teams are in free-fall, at least KT can GET to ace matches. On June 23 2010 15:15 vaMpYr wrote:
dont compare JvZ and gagFvT please .
JvZ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gagFvT from far and easy . So you respond to a comparison with a fanboyism. Ok. Come back when you feel like actually responding to the point of my post. Why are u so bitter? Winning a ZvZ is a lot more complicated than TvT no? and JvZ has been around since when?
All the mirrors are difficult. ZvZ is subject to more randomness than TvT is, but I wouldn't say that it's necessarily more complicated.
And I know "JvZ" has been around forever. I'm not contending anything about JvZ The point is that being vulnerable in the mirror matchup when you haven't had to deal with it in individual leagues at all isn't a sign of a slump, especially since Jaedong went on to win the OSL and continue his domination after his minor ZvZ dropoff.
As to bitterness, I generally don't respond well to 2 line posts that have no real content.
On June 23 2010 15:23 Fr33t wrote:
On top of that JvZ has long since come back since getting "figured out."
Which is exactly my point. A month of sub-par performance does not make someone down-and-out. Jaedong has proved this.
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Really looked like a fish in water in that TvT.
it was ugly. poor flash, freal
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When was the last time KT didn't go to an Ace match? I didn't really think about it much, but I don't even remember the last time I saw them 3-1 anybody. Or get 1-3'd.
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