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Antiochus
Canada548 Posts
On June 23 2010 15:22 InTheFade wrote: Wait, I count six consecutive ace losses, not five? Where am I messing up? Snow, Ruby, Hiya, SkyHigh, Baby, and Really. That's six, yes?... Some people are only counting tvt. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 23 2010 15:27 I_Love_Bacon wrote: When was the last time KT didn't go to an Ace match? I didn't really think about it much, but I don't even remember the last time I saw them 3-1 anybody. Or get 1-3'd. They 3-0ed STX. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On June 23 2010 15:25 TheYango wrote: All the mirrors are difficult. ZvZ is subject to more randomness than TvT is, but I wouldn't say that it's necessarily more complicated. And I know "JvZ" has been around forever. I'm not contending anything about JvZ The point is that being vulnerable in the mirror matchup when you haven't had to deal with it in individual leagues at all isn't a sign of a slump, especially since Jaedong went on to win the OSL and continue his domination after his minor ZvZ dropoff. As to bitterness, I generally don't respond well to 2 line posts that have no real content. Which is exactly my point. Ah, I remember the good ol' days when coaches wouldn't even allow their zergs to play the dong. I hope they don't wizen up again  The only point I was trying to make originally was that getting to the top is hard, but staying on top is almost impossible. Flash fans were quick to note his success, but the longevity isn't there, yet. Jaedong has been around, and has proven himself time and again. That's all I was sayin. | ||
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Yxes2211
United States1587 Posts
Lol Antiochus is that sarcasm i hear? XD | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On June 23 2010 15:22 InTheFade wrote: Wait, I count six consecutive ace losses, not five? Where am I messing up? Snow, Ruby, Hiya, SkyHigh, Baby, and Really. That's six, yes?... Yeah, that is correct. And if you want to go even further, Flash is 1-7 in his last 8 ace games. | ||
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InTheFade
United States1721 Posts
I think they should at least consider it. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
I mean really? (pun not intended) | ||
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InTheFade
United States1721 Posts
On June 23 2010 15:30 nayumi wrote: I can't believe Flash lost 6 aces in a row. I mean really? (pun not intended) I laughed anyway when I read that you weren't intending to make a pun. That's my sense of humor for you | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
Unfortunately, beating STX doesn't count for much these days Whoever is spiking Flash's pocari sweat prior to ace matches needs to lay off. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On June 23 2010 15:19 lyhb wrote: werent you watching the game? i have never seen flash get owned that bad... tvt at that yes i do reckon that really's tvt and tvp are on par or better than flash. i just call it like it is, not a blind fanboy like you are apparently maps as of late are just terran favoured. main reason being why he had that crazy win streaks.. Thats really really weird than how, with maps being terran favoured, flash does stuff like this http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=424&part=games&vs=P&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2009&from_month=12&from_day=31&to_year=2010&to_month=6&to_day=20&action=Update and seiya barely gets a 50% win rate vs P. Seriously, what kind of argument is that "maps are just terran favoured" when both players are terran? I'm no flash fanboy but its obvious flash is just having a bad phase in TvT. | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
There's an over-reaction here. 0-6 in ace is a pretty big indicator, but it's not totally damning. Good players can go on bad streaks, and Flash is no exception and only looks bad because of how well he has played. | ||
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vaMpYr
France119 Posts
On June 23 2010 15:16 TheYango wrote: Says the STX fan. While both teams are in free-fall, at least KT can GET to ace matches. So you respond to a comparison with a fanboyism. Ok. Come back when you feel like actually responding to the point of my post. ok no problem . im really curious how you can possibly argue that flash'stvt is better than jaedong's zvz . let's not forget that zvz is maybe the hardest match up in terms of skills and multitasking , its also maybe the hardest match up in terms of psychology . and the lucky things ? ( bo and micro ) tvt is strategic and macro , so being the best at it is easier . the competition is really harder in zvz . 80% in one of the hardest match up is maybe the crasiest record in SC history . im not here to argue that jaedong is a better player than flash , but i cant let you saying craps like this . i will never say something like " jaedong's macro > flash's macro " . it would be dumb . personaly im not far of thinking of it . but to maintain it would be really stupid from me . if you think flash's tvt is better , keep it for you please . | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
I'm not sure what's going on in his head but he needs to fix it. | ||
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InTheFade
United States1721 Posts
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
On June 23 2010 15:21 tedster wrote: What are you talking about? Flash regularly loses to Really in straight macro games. Really is a better straight macro TvTer than Flash, at least head to head on that map. Regularly? Really has now beaten flash... twice. He's 1-1 vs Flash in the last 3 hours, don't get crazy Flash antifans out in full force today =\ I've missed your posts, vaMpYr :D | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 23 2010 15:29 danl9rm wrote: Ah, I remember the good ol' days when coaches wouldn't even allow their zergs to play the dong. I hope they don't wizen up again The only point I was trying to make originally was that getting to the top is hard, but staying on top is almost impossible. Flash fans were quick to note his success, but the longevity isn't there, yet. Jaedong has been around, and has proven himself time and again. That's all I was sayin. I can see where you're coming from, but I think the haters are being just as quick to note Flash's failures as the fanboys are to note his successes (this was true with Jaedong as well). On June 23 2010 15:32 vaMpYr wrote: ok no problem . im really curious how you can possibly argue that flash'stvt is better than jaedong's zvz . I never said that. Such a comparison is impossible. The two matchups don't even share a race. I pointed out a comparison--that Flash's TvT getting "figured out" at this stage is comparable to Jaedong's getting "figured out" in the middle of last year. In both cases it's too early to say that they have lost their skill at the matchup. One month of ace matches just isn't a large enough sample size. I said *nothing* about the relative levels of their dominance. Such a statement isn't relevant to the analogy. On June 23 2010 15:32 vaMpYr wrote: let's not forget that zvz is maybe the hardest match up in terms of skills and multitasking , its also maybe the hardest match up in terms of psychology . and the lucky things ? ( bo and micro ) tvt is strategic and macro , so being the best at it is easier . the competition is really harder in zvz . I question if you've played TvT, but again, this has nothing to do with what I was talking about at all. On June 23 2010 15:32 vaMpYr wrote: 80% in one of the hardest match up is maybe the crasiest record in SC history . im not here to argue that jaedong is a better player than flash , but i cant let you saying craps like this . The "craps like this" are things I haven't said. They're things your fanboyism has deluded you into thinking I said. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
How your opinion is obviously not that of the majority and highly subjective, yet in every freakin post you say everyone who disagrees is a blind fanboy (whereas youre obviously just being as objective as can be!!) | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On June 23 2010 15:12 OreoBoi wrote: So godly that daezang beat him with one reaver.... Really doesn't even come close to the level of Flash. He's a good terran, and he might be getting better, but don't kid yourself. Right now you can't even compare Really with Flash. How is Flash overrated? i have seen people claim he is undeniably bonjwa and some say he is better than all the old bonjwas(i assume these people are kidding but with the internet you never know) Best current terran->undeniable Best player ever to play the game-> overrating him a little, for the moment anyways. | ||
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