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Withershins
Profile Joined December 2009
Vatican City State101 Posts
May 07 2010 11:49 GMT
#1301
On May 07 2010 20:44 Beachac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2010 20:43 Withershins wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:40 Holgerius wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:35 Withershins wrote:
Does every Flash/KT thread have to end up with a 'Bonjwa' discussion. Today's matches were horrible. I couldn't care less about Flash's ELO, W streak, percentages and comparisons. Today's matches were HORRIBLE!

Do you people even watch Starcraft or just drool over stats?

Todays matches were horrible because Flash was just too fucking superior.


No, Flash didn't do anything impressive. Pure kept fucking up. Pure is an overachiever. That's why the matches were horrible.


LOL. do YOU watch starcraft?


Yes and the only thing I saw was impressive T macro x3 and x2 unpunished double expands after scouting a 12 nex. What else did you see?
Lazerbeems
Profile Joined May 2010
151 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-07 11:51:37
May 07 2010 11:50 GMT
#1302
On May 07 2010 20:46 Withershins wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2010 20:42 Lazerbeems wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:40 Withershins wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:37 11cc wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:35 Withershins wrote:
Does every Flash/KT thread have to end up with a 'Bonjwa' discussion. Today's matches were horrible. I couldn't care less about Flash's ELO, W streak, percentages and comparisons. Today's matches were HORRIBLE!

Do you people even watch Starcraft or just drool over stats?


I enjoyed today's games.


I believe you. Flash/KT fans are the only people who did.


Terrible games but what does that have to do with "bonjwa"? Flash/KT fans loved it because Flash basically walked over Pure.


Nothing. Those are separate issues. It just seems like people care more about these 'meta starcraft watching' issues than the actual games and it's getting lame reading about it in every thread.


Well what else is there to discuss about Flash's games? Except for the rare games he loses, every single one just has him getting more units, microing them well, and completely rolling over their opponent. The only thing you can actually say about those games, without using the benefit of hindsight, is that Flash outclassed his opponents.

That's why everyone goes on about the 'meta starcraft watching' because there is literally nothing to say about tonight besides Pure played pretty mediocre and Flash played his standard game.
Gtks
Profile Joined March 2010
Greece135 Posts
May 07 2010 11:50 GMT
#1303
Flash show us that can win a match really fast if likes to. He tryed diffrent styles of playing in every match and finaly in the 3rd game gave the opotunity to Pure to show off a litle

Korea on air and Shinhan bank, they did wordefull jop to orgize to the turnament my opinion is Flash shout focun in there.
Thessaloniki - Greece
Withershins
Profile Joined December 2009
Vatican City State101 Posts
May 07 2010 11:51 GMT
#1304
On May 07 2010 20:48 11cc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2010 20:46 Withershins wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:42 Lazerbeems wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:40 Withershins wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:37 11cc wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:35 Withershins wrote:
Does every Flash/KT thread have to end up with a 'Bonjwa' discussion. Today's matches were horrible. I couldn't care less about Flash's ELO, W streak, percentages and comparisons. Today's matches were HORRIBLE!

Do you people even watch Starcraft or just drool over stats?


I enjoyed today's games.


I believe you. Flash/KT fans are the only people who did.


Terrible games but what does that have to do with "bonjwa"? Flash/KT fans loved it because Flash basically walked over Pure.


Nothing. Those are separate issues. It just seems like people care more about these 'meta starcraft watching' issues than the actual games and it's getting lame reading about it in every thread.


Just get over it, troll.


You see, now that I've mentioned it people stopped talking about bonjwas and started talking about the actual games.

You're welcome.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 07 2010 11:53 GMT
#1305
On May 07 2010 20:51 Withershins wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2010 20:48 11cc wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:46 Withershins wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:42 Lazerbeems wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:40 Withershins wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:37 11cc wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:35 Withershins wrote:
Does every Flash/KT thread have to end up with a 'Bonjwa' discussion. Today's matches were horrible. I couldn't care less about Flash's ELO, W streak, percentages and comparisons. Today's matches were HORRIBLE!

Do you people even watch Starcraft or just drool over stats?


I enjoyed today's games.


I believe you. Flash/KT fans are the only people who did.


Terrible games but what does that have to do with "bonjwa"? Flash/KT fans loved it because Flash basically walked over Pure.


Nothing. Those are separate issues. It just seems like people care more about these 'meta starcraft watching' issues than the actual games and it's getting lame reading about it in every thread.


Just get over it, troll.


You see, now that I've mentioned it people stopped talking about bonjwas and started talking about the actual games.

You're welcome.


Man you really are trying your hardest to come off as a jerk.
Remember Violet.
x11tman
Profile Joined February 2009
Finland50 Posts
May 07 2010 11:54 GMT
#1306
On May 07 2010 20:47 RushWifDietCoke wrote:
On a side note, I don't know why people still argue about the Bonjwa term. Even Flash and Jaedong both said they think its a term of the past and they don't like to discuss it.

I think Bisu said the same when he was KeSPA #1 in 2009. IIRC.
Withershins
Profile Joined December 2009
Vatican City State101 Posts
May 07 2010 11:55 GMT
#1307


That's why everyone goes on about the 'meta starcraft watching' because there is literally nothing to say about tonight besides Pure played pretty mediocre and Flash played his standard game.


I agree with this reasoning, though it still doesn't make it any less lame.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
May 07 2010 11:55 GMT
#1308
rofl Flash shows dominance once again
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
May 07 2010 12:03 GMT
#1309
On May 07 2010 13:15 hyst.eric.al wrote:
nonetheless, sounds like a prison rape in the makings
i love being right.
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-07 12:11:34
May 07 2010 12:11 GMT
#1310
Wow, wtf. Someone stop him! What is this? I thought Starcraft was at a point where it was impossible to dominate? Screw you Flash for messing with my conceptions! Screw you for completely taking the competitiveness out of this tournament. Enjoy your golden mouse jerk.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
May 07 2010 12:24 GMT
#1311
Pure was noob to go into macro games against Flash. He should have prepare aggressive builds.
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Deleted User 55994
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
949 Posts
May 07 2010 12:46 GMT
#1312
dissapointing really, would have been entertaining games if pure had tried some allins but he's just not good enough to hold up to flash. at least the final will be better
Jiffymix
Profile Joined April 2010
United States43 Posts
May 07 2010 12:50 GMT
#1313
On May 07 2010 21:46 faction123 wrote:
dissapointing really, would have been entertaining games if pure had tried some allins but he's just not good enough to hold up to flash. at least the final will be better


Unless Effort beats Kal... then it will be
NurseArial
Profile Joined March 2010
Belarus109 Posts
May 07 2010 12:51 GMT
#1314
Woke up this morning expecting maybe 3-1. Oh wow.
SturmAddict
Profile Joined October 2009
Malaysia176 Posts
May 07 2010 12:53 GMT
#1315
Im sorry. i have to disagree with ALL of you.

Pures strategy was to flip a coin for 1 base obs, or 12 nex. which is a very very good strategy against a better player.

A good player like Flash, cannot afford to play BBS more then 15% of the time if he wants to retain his 70%+ winning rate versus a protoss playing 50:50 12 nex 1 base ops.

That means his 12 nex has an incredible 85% chance to be uncountered early.

Which was exactly what happened. never did flash did a super hard counter to his 12 nex, and he was ahead in the macro game (even if it was for 1-2 minutes till flash did his early third)

In 2 out of the games, Pure was able to hold 2 more bases then flash for a good 1 minute+. Against a normal Terran, pure would have dominated them easily.

The only mistake Pure made, is the terran is Flash. Thats all that is to it. versus any other terran (light?Sea?), pure would have 3-0'd them no problem with this strategy. However Flash is too good for him.

Look at how in game 2 flash completely used the map to his advantage, using 4-5 tanks and buildings to hold an entire 10 gateway army inside the main with arbiters.

Look how well flash spread his tanks. he never had many tanks stasis'd, only vultures.

Flash = art

and thats all to it.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
May 07 2010 13:02 GMT
#1316
On May 07 2010 21:50 Jiffymix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2010 21:46 faction123 wrote:
dissapointing really, would have been entertaining games if pure had tried some allins but he's just not good enough to hold up to flash. at least the final will be better


Unless Effort beats Kal... then it will be


I'm a CJ fan but either way I think an Effort vs Flash finals would be more entertaining, and so does Flash (see interview)
beep boop
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
May 07 2010 13:03 GMT
#1317
Hmm, if Effort beats Kal, he should just 4/5 pool this kid 3 times.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-07 13:06:16
May 07 2010 13:04 GMT
#1318
On May 07 2010 21:53 SturmAddict wrote:
Im sorry. i have to disagree with ALL of you.

Pures strategy was to flip a coin for 1 base obs, or 12 nex. which is a very very good strategy against a better player.

A good player like Flash, cannot afford to play BBS more then 15% of the time if he wants to retain his 70%+ winning rate versus a protoss playing 50:50 12 nex 1 base ops.

That means his 12 nex has an incredible 85% chance to be uncountered early.

Which was exactly what happened. never did flash did a super hard counter to his 12 nex, and he was ahead in the macro game (even if it was for 1-2 minutes till flash did his early third)

In 2 out of the games, Pure was able to hold 2 more bases then flash for a good 1 minute+. Against a normal Terran, pure would have dominated them easily.

The only mistake Pure made, is the terran is Flash. Thats all that is to it. versus any other terran (light?Sea?), pure would have 3-0'd them no problem with this strategy. However Flash is too good for him.

Look at how in game 2 flash completely used the map to his advantage, using 4-5 tanks and buildings to hold an entire 10 gateway army inside the main with arbiters.

Look how well flash spread his tanks. he never had many tanks stasis'd, only vultures.

Flash = art

and thats all to it.

Of course Pure played greedy. He knows he's not as good as Flash, so he took an early econ advantage assuming Flash wouldn't want to play risky against a weaker player. He got a modestly advantageous position every game because he opened greedy vs. standard play.

A modestly advantageous position is enough to win from if you play good and never give up that lead. Pure played bad, and readily handed the lead back to Flash, who of course kept it and won.

A fuckton of pro Terrans can do the same thing. 12nexus doesn't end the game, no matter how hard certain Terrans whine about it.
My strategy is to fork people.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-07 13:13:53
May 07 2010 13:13 GMT
#1319
On May 07 2010 21:53 SturmAddict wrote:
Im sorry. i have to disagree with ALL of you.

Pures strategy was to flip a coin for 1 base obs, or 12 nex. which is a very very good strategy against a better player.

A good player like Flash, cannot afford to play BBS more then 15% of the time if he wants to retain his 70%+ winning rate versus a protoss playing 50:50 12 nex 1 base ops.

That means his 12 nex has an incredible 85% chance to be uncountered early.

Which was exactly what happened. never did flash did a super hard counter to his 12 nex, and he was ahead in the macro game (even if it was for 1-2 minutes till flash did his early third)

In 2 out of the games, Pure was able to hold 2 more bases then flash for a good 1 minute+. Against a normal Terran, pure would have dominated them easily.

The only mistake Pure made, is the terran is Flash. Thats all that is to it. versus any other terran (light?Sea?), pure would have 3-0'd them no problem with this strategy. However Flash is too good for him.

Look at how in game 2 flash completely used the map to his advantage, using 4-5 tanks and buildings to hold an entire 10 gateway army inside the main with arbiters.

Look how well flash spread his tanks. he never had many tanks stasis'd, only vultures.

Flash = art

and thats all to it.


I havent watched the games but it's seems kinda stupid to say "the only mistake pure made, is the terran is flash"
first of all it doesnt even gramatically sense and also Flash is human too, he does mistakes too and he can be beaten if you do less mistakes then him.
So of course Pure made mistakes, nobody doesn't.
If pro gamers had your mindset then flash would have a 100% winning percentage.
beep boop
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
May 07 2010 13:15 GMT
#1320
On May 07 2010 20:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2010 20:51 Withershins wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:48 11cc wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:46 Withershins wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:42 Lazerbeems wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:40 Withershins wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:37 11cc wrote:
On May 07 2010 20:35 Withershins wrote:
Does every Flash/KT thread have to end up with a 'Bonjwa' discussion. Today's matches were horrible. I couldn't care less about Flash's ELO, W streak, percentages and comparisons. Today's matches were HORRIBLE!

Do you people even watch Starcraft or just drool over stats?


I enjoyed today's games.


I believe you. Flash/KT fans are the only people who did.


Terrible games but what does that have to do with "bonjwa"? Flash/KT fans loved it because Flash basically walked over Pure.


Nothing. Those are separate issues. It just seems like people care more about these 'meta starcraft watching' issues than the actual games and it's getting lame reading about it in every thread.


Just get over it, troll.


You see, now that I've mentioned it people stopped talking about bonjwas and started talking about the actual games.

You're welcome.


Man you really are trying your hardest to come off as a jerk.



He does this in every thread/post he makes.
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