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zealing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada806 Posts
May 07 2010 13:24 GMT
#1321
lol omg this thread is win
Think you got lag? It took Jesus 3 days to respawn.
RushWifDietCoke
Profile Joined May 2008
United States488 Posts
May 07 2010 13:27 GMT
#1322
On May 07 2010 21:53 SturmAddict wrote:
Im sorry. i have to disagree with ALL of you.

Pures strategy was to flip a coin for 1 base obs, or 12 nex. which is a very very good strategy against a better player.

A good player like Flash, cannot afford to play BBS more then 15% of the time if he wants to retain his 70%+ winning rate versus a protoss playing 50:50 12 nex 1 base ops.

That means his 12 nex has an incredible 85% chance to be uncountered early.

Which was exactly what happened. never did flash did a super hard counter to his 12 nex, and he was ahead in the macro game (even if it was for 1-2 minutes till flash did his early third)

In 2 out of the games, Pure was able to hold 2 more bases then flash for a good 1 minute+. Against a normal Terran, pure would have dominated them easily.

The only mistake Pure made, is the terran is Flash. Thats all that is to it. versus any other terran (light?Sea?), pure would have 3-0'd them no problem with this strategy. However Flash is too good for him.

Look at how in game 2 flash completely used the map to his advantage, using 4-5 tanks and buildings to hold an entire 10 gateway army inside the main with arbiters.

Look how well flash spread his tanks. he never had many tanks stasis'd, only vultures.

Flash = art

and thats all to it.


Just curious, where did you get you the 15% statistic from? Just wondering because if it's only opinion, then your entire attempt to make a logical argument is based only on opinion rather than actual data. If you want to argue your opinion thats fine but don't try to make it seem like fact. And then use your opinion of 15% to attempt to prove deeper statistical analysis such as the 85% nexus stat. I can understand if you want to use quantitative data but don't confuse people into thinking it's a fact that opening nexus first has an 85% chance win vs Terrans. Sorry to be picky but it's a pet peeve of mine, and its hard to take an analysis seriously if data is just made up, nothing personal.

I agree with your point though, the early nexus was a very strong opening vs Flash.
Nothing to it but to do it.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 07 2010 13:39 GMT
#1323
It's a negative thing about being the absolute top dog; people aren't afraid of doing gay/stupid shit against you because they know they'll lose in a completely normal game. MVP went 14 CC, 14 CC, proxy 2 Fac ---> 2 Port. Pure went 12 Nex, 12 Nex, 12 Nex. =/
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
May 07 2010 13:52 GMT
#1324
LOL BO <3
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
dtnmang
Profile Joined April 2010
Vietnam752 Posts
May 07 2010 13:55 GMT
#1325
On May 07 2010 22:39 Holgerius wrote:
It's a negative thing about being the absolute top dog; people aren't afraid of doing gay/stupid shit against you because they know they'll lose in a completely normal game. MVP went 14 CC, 14 CC, proxy 2 Fac ---> 2 Port. Pure went 12 Nex, 12 Nex, 12 Nex. =/
Well I think they're playing builds that give them the most chances imo, not gay or stupid shit.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 07 2010 14:23 GMT
#1326
On May 07 2010 22:55 dtnmang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2010 22:39 Holgerius wrote:
It's a negative thing about being the absolute top dog; people aren't afraid of doing gay/stupid shit against you because they know they'll lose in a completely normal game. MVP went 14 CC, 14 CC, proxy 2 Fac ---> 2 Port. Pure went 12 Nex, 12 Nex, 12 Nex. =/
Well I think they're playing builds that give them the most chances imo, not gay or stupid shit.

There is most certainly a higher chance of someone doing something risky and all-in vs Flash than vs anyone else. I'm obviously not blaming them, they're professionals and they all play to win, I'm just stating a fact.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
May 07 2010 14:23 GMT
#1327
Not sure why people think Kal has a better chance than Effort in the final. Sure, he's playing well but Effort's best is probably better. If Kal turns up playing in his current form he will certainly lose and it's not clear he's capable of much more.

If Effort plays in his current form he'll get destroyed, but he can do much, much better. If he could return to his old form (not impossible for an OSL final) we might actually see a close final.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 07 2010 14:29 GMT
#1328
On May 07 2010 23:23 hypercube wrote:
Not sure why people think Kal has a better chance than Effort in the final. Sure, he's playing well but Effort's best is probably better. If Kal turns up playing in his current form he will certainly lose and it's not clear he's capable of much more.

If Effort plays in his current form he'll get destroyed, but he can do much, much better. If he could return to his old form (not impossible for an OSL final) we might actually see a close final.

I personally think Kal has a better chance simply because he's Protoss. It is much easier to get an unlucky BO loss or die to cheese vs Protoss than vs Zerg. I think Flash will 3-0 whoever he faces in straight-up macro management games, so it will come down to mind games and/or gayness if anyone of them would stand a chance, and P has an advantage over Z vs T in that regard.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Eloquent
Profile Joined July 2009
United States475 Posts
May 07 2010 14:35 GMT
#1329
Obvious winner in finals, just need to see who's the victim now.
Jaedong for Platnium Mouse.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
May 07 2010 14:37 GMT
#1330
On May 07 2010 22:39 Holgerius wrote:
It's a negative thing about being the absolute top dog; people aren't afraid of doing gay/stupid shit against you because they know they'll lose in a completely normal game. MVP went 14 CC, 14 CC, proxy 2 Fac ---> 2 Port. Pure went 12 Nex, 12 Nex, 12 Nex. =/

And the game MVP won he went fac cc port.

That's totally gay and stupid.
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dtnmang
Profile Joined April 2010
Vietnam752 Posts
May 07 2010 14:38 GMT
#1331
Am I exaggerating when I say every time Flash loses, he seems to come back even more powerful?
KT Roflster - the lulziest team of Proleague.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 07 2010 14:38 GMT
#1332
Flash too good. It's not even fun anymore lol.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 07 2010 14:42 GMT
#1333
On May 07 2010 23:37 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2010 22:39 Holgerius wrote:
It's a negative thing about being the absolute top dog; people aren't afraid of doing gay/stupid shit against you because they know they'll lose in a completely normal game. MVP went 14 CC, 14 CC, proxy 2 Fac ---> 2 Port. Pure went 12 Nex, 12 Nex, 12 Nex. =/

And the game MVP won he went fac cc port.

That's totally gay and stupid.

I am 100% sure, and I'm confident that even the most bizarre anti-fans (sup SuperArc?) feel the same way, that Game #1 was an anomaly.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
May 07 2010 14:44 GMT
#1334
On May 07 2010 23:29 Holgerius wrote:
I personally think Kal has a better chance simply because he's Protoss. It is much easier to get an unlucky BO loss or die to cheese vs Protoss than vs Zerg. I think Flash will 3-0 whoever he faces in straight-up macro management games, so it will come down to mind games and/or gayness if anyone of them would stand a chance, and P has an advantage over Z vs T in that regard.


I feel like Effort at least has a chance to win a game straight up. He's not a favourite obviously but there's a chance. He certainly has a much better chance of winning from a small early game advantage than Kal. Maybe protoss having more early game options makes up for this but I don't think it does.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
Beachac
Profile Joined June 2009
United States278 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-07 15:14:17
May 07 2010 15:11 GMT
#1335


I havent watched the games but it's seems kinda stupid to say "the only mistake pure made, is the terran is flash"
first of all it doesnt even gramatically sense and also Flash is human too, he does mistakes too and he can be beaten if you do less mistakes then him.
So of course Pure made mistakes, nobody doesn't.
If pro gamers had your mindset then flash would have a 100% winning percentage.


Oh the irony.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 07 2010 15:15 GMT
#1336
Wow Flash showed that he's a beast when coming prepared.
He did what he does best, which is beat players that is worse than him with almost 100% efficiancy.
And that list of players worse than him has grown alot lately haha.

I read the LR, but it was very misleading. Pure never really had a chance in any game. The game where it was 3 base vs 6 base, flash staying on 3 base was the reason he could dominate so hard.

Pure got away with 3x 12nexus and I was worried in the beginning of each game but flash got himself in an advantegous position by exellent decisionmaking.

Flash fighting!!!

According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
May 07 2010 15:24 GMT
#1337
3rd game was pretty close imo 'till 1 min b4 mass goliaths appeared LMAO
"EE HAN TIMING" Jaedong vs Stork [22 December, 2007] 2set @ Finals EVER OSL.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
May 07 2010 15:27 GMT
#1338
game 2 was the prototype of flash´s favorite tvp strategy: "do whatever u want, i dont care, when my 2/1 (or 3/2) finishes, im gonna stick it up ur butthole the hard way. "

those monster timing pushes are pretty much his trademark move in tvp, besides gols for fighting carriers ofc
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 07 2010 15:28 GMT
#1339
On May 08 2010 00:24 danbel1005 wrote:
3rd game was pretty close imo 'till 1 min b4 mass goliaths appeared LMAO


Yeah, if flash hadn't noticed the carriers it would have been tough. But since he did notice it it never came to that...
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
May 07 2010 15:40 GMT
#1340
Seeing Protoss players go carriers against Flash is always fun.
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