EPT[OSL] Semi-Final A - Page 67
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zealing
Canada806 Posts
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RushWifDietCoke
United States488 Posts
On May 07 2010 21:53 SturmAddict wrote: Im sorry. i have to disagree with ALL of you. Pures strategy was to flip a coin for 1 base obs, or 12 nex. which is a very very good strategy against a better player. A good player like Flash, cannot afford to play BBS more then 15% of the time if he wants to retain his 70%+ winning rate versus a protoss playing 50:50 12 nex 1 base ops. That means his 12 nex has an incredible 85% chance to be uncountered early. Which was exactly what happened. never did flash did a super hard counter to his 12 nex, and he was ahead in the macro game (even if it was for 1-2 minutes till flash did his early third) In 2 out of the games, Pure was able to hold 2 more bases then flash for a good 1 minute+. Against a normal Terran, pure would have dominated them easily. The only mistake Pure made, is the terran is Flash. Thats all that is to it. versus any other terran (light?Sea?), pure would have 3-0'd them no problem with this strategy. However Flash is too good for him. Look at how in game 2 flash completely used the map to his advantage, using 4-5 tanks and buildings to hold an entire 10 gateway army inside the main with arbiters. Look how well flash spread his tanks. he never had many tanks stasis'd, only vultures. Flash = art and thats all to it. Just curious, where did you get you the 15% statistic from? Just wondering because if it's only opinion, then your entire attempt to make a logical argument is based only on opinion rather than actual data. If you want to argue your opinion thats fine but don't try to make it seem like fact. And then use your opinion of 15% to attempt to prove deeper statistical analysis such as the 85% nexus stat. I can understand if you want to use quantitative data but don't confuse people into thinking it's a fact that opening nexus first has an 85% chance win vs Terrans. Sorry to be picky but it's a pet peeve of mine, and its hard to take an analysis seriously if data is just made up, nothing personal. I agree with your point though, the early nexus was a very strong opening vs Flash. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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dtnmang
Vietnam752 Posts
On May 07 2010 22:39 Holgerius wrote: Well I think they're playing builds that give them the most chances imo, not gay or stupid shit.It's a negative thing about being the absolute top dog; people aren't afraid of doing gay/stupid shit against you because they know they'll lose in a completely normal game. MVP went 14 CC, 14 CC, proxy 2 Fac ---> 2 Port. Pure went 12 Nex, 12 Nex, 12 Nex. =/ | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On May 07 2010 22:55 dtnmang wrote: Well I think they're playing builds that give them the most chances imo, not gay or stupid shit. There is most certainly a higher chance of someone doing something risky and all-in vs Flash than vs anyone else. I'm obviously not blaming them, they're professionals and they all play to win, I'm just stating a fact. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
If Effort plays in his current form he'll get destroyed, but he can do much, much better. If he could return to his old form (not impossible for an OSL final) we might actually see a close final. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On May 07 2010 23:23 hypercube wrote: Not sure why people think Kal has a better chance than Effort in the final. Sure, he's playing well but Effort's best is probably better. If Kal turns up playing in his current form he will certainly lose and it's not clear he's capable of much more. If Effort plays in his current form he'll get destroyed, but he can do much, much better. If he could return to his old form (not impossible for an OSL final) we might actually see a close final. I personally think Kal has a better chance simply because he's Protoss. It is much easier to get an unlucky BO loss or die to cheese vs Protoss than vs Zerg. I think Flash will 3-0 whoever he faces in straight-up macro management games, so it will come down to mind games and/or gayness if anyone of them would stand a chance, and P has an advantage over Z vs T in that regard. | ||
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Eloquent
United States475 Posts
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
On May 07 2010 22:39 Holgerius wrote: It's a negative thing about being the absolute top dog; people aren't afraid of doing gay/stupid shit against you because they know they'll lose in a completely normal game. MVP went 14 CC, 14 CC, proxy 2 Fac ---> 2 Port. Pure went 12 Nex, 12 Nex, 12 Nex. =/ And the game MVP won he went fac cc port. That's totally gay and stupid. | ||
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dtnmang
Vietnam752 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On May 07 2010 23:37 Harem wrote: And the game MVP won he went fac cc port. That's totally gay and stupid. I am 100% sure, and I'm confident that even the most bizarre anti-fans (sup SuperArc?) feel the same way, that Game #1 was an anomaly. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On May 07 2010 23:29 Holgerius wrote: I personally think Kal has a better chance simply because he's Protoss. It is much easier to get an unlucky BO loss or die to cheese vs Protoss than vs Zerg. I think Flash will 3-0 whoever he faces in straight-up macro management games, so it will come down to mind games and/or gayness if anyone of them would stand a chance, and P has an advantage over Z vs T in that regard. I feel like Effort at least has a chance to win a game straight up. He's not a favourite obviously but there's a chance. He certainly has a much better chance of winning from a small early game advantage than Kal. Maybe protoss having more early game options makes up for this but I don't think it does. | ||
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Beachac
United States278 Posts
I havent watched the games but it's seems kinda stupid to say "the only mistake pure made, is the terran is flash" first of all it doesnt even gramatically sense and also Flash is human too, he does mistakes too and he can be beaten if you do less mistakes then him. So of course Pure made mistakes, nobody doesn't. If pro gamers had your mindset then flash would have a 100% winning percentage. Oh the irony. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
He did what he does best, which is beat players that is worse than him with almost 100% efficiancy. And that list of players worse than him has grown alot lately haha. I read the LR, but it was very misleading. Pure never really had a chance in any game. The game where it was 3 base vs 6 base, flash staying on 3 base was the reason he could dominate so hard. Pure got away with 3x 12nexus and I was worried in the beginning of each game but flash got himself in an advantegous position by exellent decisionmaking. Flash fighting!!! | ||
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
those monster timing pushes are pretty much his trademark move in tvp, besides gols for fighting carriers ofc  | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On May 08 2010 00:24 danbel1005 wrote: 3rd game was pretty close imo 'till 1 min b4 mass goliaths appeared LMAO Yeah, if flash hadn't noticed the carriers it would have been tough. But since he did notice it it never came to that... | ||
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reincremate
China2216 Posts
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