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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
February 23 2010 19:12 GMT
#901
On February 23 2010 20:54 timmeh wrote:
Probably gonna lose more ELO from the loss than he made in the 3 wins ;>

Yup. was at 2395 before tonight's series. Now he's at 2390
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
February 23 2010 19:13 GMT
#902
On February 24 2010 02:59 Djabanete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2010 23:26 disciple wrote:
On February 23 2010 23:21 tomatriedes wrote:
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.

It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.

Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.


Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.

yes, I'm starting to wonder if Jaedong still has the worst fanbase at TL


But the people that say disparaging things about "fanboys" in order to seem cool have always been at least as annoying as the "fanboys" themselves, and I don't see that changing soon.


And the people who say disparaging things about the people who say disparaging things about the fanboys are even more annoying!!!
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
February 23 2010 19:14 GMT
#903
On February 24 2010 00:49 TaimalaiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2010 23:59 purpose wrote:
On February 23 2010 23:55 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On February 23 2010 23:21 tomatriedes wrote:
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.

It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.

Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.


Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.


An opinion on fanboys about other fanboys, from fanboys, by fanboys.

We're all insufferable, get over yourself.


The fun thing about terran fanboys is that when the MSL blackout game, they still claim that you can never know if JD would have won since huge combacks happen alot in sc. But when Nony lost connection vs Idra it was 100% correct that Idra won it since he was ahead and most likelly would have won.

For sure if it was the other way around, they would have argued loudly that Idra for sure could have won that game and that they should have rematched etc.


The difference is that Nony agreed to the loss because he said he was out of the game. Flash said he was still in it. Seems logical to go based off what the players themselves think no?


So if Flash say something then its true? The point is that Nony is a better sportsman then Flash apparently, and all people should be able to judge for themself. The Nony idra game was far closer then the JD flash, and still Nony said it was fair and most terran fanboys agreed it was ok to give Idra the win, after all Idra was ahead. But when Flash to 99% had lost the game vs JD it was such a horrible fault to give JD the win, sinc a comback possibly could have happend etc.

Dont you see the fun when somebody change there mind about two similar cases like that?
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
February 23 2010 19:23 GMT
#904
Please stop talking about the MSL and TSL in this thread...
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
February 23 2010 19:31 GMT
#905
On February 23 2010 23:43 Baddieko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2010 23:34 purpose wrote:
On February 23 2010 22:47 SubtleArt wrote:
On February 23 2010 22:41 tomatriedes wrote:
On February 23 2010 21:25 purpose wrote:
M18M did what he could vs the best player in sc atm. I think it was great that Flash lost his AK to a lame gay as protoss.

I mean Flash himself has won his share of games by being lame with his gayfaction and abusing terran maps.


This. You wouldn't see any of these bigoted flash fanboys complaining if it was Flash that had successfully pulled off a 'gay strat'; instead they would be cooing about how Flash has such wonderful variety in his play. I swear Flash fanboys are the most unreasonable kind I've seen around here in a long time.


What gay strats can he really do in TvP? Bunker rush? Thats just a "standard"ish response to 12 nex. The only "cheese" are really creative timing pushes with obscure tank / marine / vulture compositions. Even if theyre cheese they'd have to be well thought out. What makes this gay is that all you do is build a nexus on 12, hope you get lucky the opponent scouts the wrong way, and tech to DTs. Honestly its barely a cheese cause DTs give you map control even if they fail and your eco is skyrocketing from 12 nex


Yea poor Terran, they just dont have any gay strats to pull off vs protoss. Every Terran win is the result of master play and super duper micro and skill.

Jeez.



Terran can throw in good cheese and yet are most cost effective in split maps against Z & P, and in many aspects of game. The way they turtle, knowing in the end they'll at least get a draw and win when opponent decide to throw units away. When the race created for defense abuse defense and got outsmart sometimes fans complain of abuse. LOL.


Turtling? Just take 2 expansions...problem solved. Once protoss gets the 3rd terran can no longer turtle and has to decide between aggresion, vulture play, or taking his own third. HOnestly its protoss in PvT that get to sit back and expand
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 23 2010 19:35 GMT
#906
On February 24 2010 04:14 purpose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2010 00:49 TaimalaiX wrote:
On February 23 2010 23:59 purpose wrote:
On February 23 2010 23:55 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On February 23 2010 23:21 tomatriedes wrote:
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.

It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.

Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.


Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.


An opinion on fanboys about other fanboys, from fanboys, by fanboys.

We're all insufferable, get over yourself.


The fun thing about terran fanboys is that when the MSL blackout game, they still claim that you can never know if JD would have won since huge combacks happen alot in sc. But when Nony lost connection vs Idra it was 100% correct that Idra won it since he was ahead and most likelly would have won.

For sure if it was the other way around, they would have argued loudly that Idra for sure could have won that game and that they should have rematched etc.


The difference is that Nony agreed to the loss because he said he was out of the game. Flash said he was still in it. Seems logical to go based off what the players themselves think no?


So if Flash say something then its true? The point is that Nony is a better sportsman then Flash apparently, and all people should be able to judge for themself. The Nony idra game was far closer then the JD flash, and still Nony said it was fair and most terran fanboys agreed it was ok to give Idra the win, after all Idra was ahead. But when Flash to 99% had lost the game vs JD it was such a horrible fault to give JD the win, sinc a comback possibly could have happend etc.

Dont you see the fun when somebody change there mind about two similar cases like that?


Youuuuu didn't watch the MSL I'm assuming. Nony's disadvantage (having like 10 probes at midgame after a failed cheese) isn't the same as "Jaedong's got a strong army and economy and Flash is low on irradiate and about to take a new expansion with his also large army."

Nony being incredibly cordial and giving up the game was very very generous of him, but it wasn't the same situation and it's dumb to compare.
Remember Violet.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
February 23 2010 19:42 GMT
#907
On February 24 2010 02:59 Djabanete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2010 23:26 disciple wrote:
On February 23 2010 23:21 tomatriedes wrote:
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.

It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.

Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.


Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.

yes, I'm starting to wonder if Jaedong still has the worst fanbase at TL


Don't be ridiculous --- every kind of fanboy is just as annoying as every other kind of fanboy. When Bisu had his resurgence, his fanboys were annoying. When Jaedong was invincible (mid 2008 to mid 2009), his fanboys were annoying. Now Flash is dominating and his fanboys are annoying.

But the people that say disparaging things about "fanboys" in order to seem cool have always been at least as annoying as the "fanboys" themselves, and I don't see that changing soon.

EDIT: Super impressive play by Flash tonight. The loss to M18M stings, but taking a loss for 7 games won against top opponents doesn't seem so bad. Seriously, look at Flash's hit list this WL: Jaedong, Bisu, Fantasy, Best, Stork, Jangbi, FBH. And KT is what, 6-0?

I'm not "annoyed" by bad fanboys. Nothing is more entertaining in TL than reading some ridiculous post of say SuperArc, trying to excuse Jaedong for his loss by totally disregarding the other guys skills.

Bad fanboys are fun and vital part of our community. Getting annoyed by guy who doesnt cheer for your player is plainly stupid.

<3 MrHoon,Scara, Atrioc, Avidkeystamper
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
February 23 2010 19:45 GMT
#908
Btw is an interview translation coming anytime soon? Should I be refreshing every 5 seconds?
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
February 23 2010 19:52 GMT
#909
On February 24 2010 04:14 purpose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2010 00:49 TaimalaiX wrote:
On February 23 2010 23:59 purpose wrote:
On February 23 2010 23:55 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On February 23 2010 23:21 tomatriedes wrote:
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.

It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.

Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.


Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.


An opinion on fanboys about other fanboys, from fanboys, by fanboys.

We're all insufferable, get over yourself.


The fun thing about terran fanboys is that when the MSL blackout game, they still claim that you can never know if JD would have won since huge combacks happen alot in sc. But when Nony lost connection vs Idra it was 100% correct that Idra won it since he was ahead and most likelly would have won.

For sure if it was the other way around, they would have argued loudly that Idra for sure could have won that game and that they should have rematched etc.


The difference is that Nony agreed to the loss because he said he was out of the game. Flash said he was still in it. Seems logical to go based off what the players themselves think no?


So if Flash say something then its true? The point is that Nony is a better sportsman then Flash apparently, and all people should be able to judge for themself. The Nony idra game was far closer then the JD flash, and still Nony said it was fair and most terran fanboys agreed it was ok to give Idra the win, after all Idra was ahead. But when Flash to 99% had lost the game vs JD it was such a horrible fault to give JD the win, sinc a comback possibly could have happend etc.

Dont you see the fun when somebody change there mind about two similar cases like that?


Umm, who is the mysterious somebody? Show me the concrete people who argued against JD in MSL and for Idra in TSL. How many do you find, hmm? That is the monstrous hypocritical Terran fanbase? Please...
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
February 23 2010 19:53 GMT
#910
On February 23 2010 20:01 samachking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2010 19:59 Highways wrote:
Lol complaining about DT's.

Terran has something 100x more gay. Bunker Rushing vs Zerg.


So true. Atleast the DTs put you behind when they fail, the bunker rush almost never puts you behind unless you fail your micro hardcore.


Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
February 23 2010 20:09 GMT
#911
On February 24 2010 04:42 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2010 02:59 Djabanete wrote:
On February 23 2010 23:26 disciple wrote:
On February 23 2010 23:21 tomatriedes wrote:
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.

It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.

Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.


Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.

yes, I'm starting to wonder if Jaedong still has the worst fanbase at TL


Don't be ridiculous --- every kind of fanboy is just as annoying as every other kind of fanboy. When Bisu had his resurgence, his fanboys were annoying. When Jaedong was invincible (mid 2008 to mid 2009), his fanboys were annoying. Now Flash is dominating and his fanboys are annoying.

But the people that say disparaging things about "fanboys" in order to seem cool have always been at least as annoying as the "fanboys" themselves, and I don't see that changing soon.

EDIT: Super impressive play by Flash tonight. The loss to M18M stings, but taking a loss for 7 games won against top opponents doesn't seem so bad. Seriously, look at Flash's hit list this WL: Jaedong, Bisu, Fantasy, Best, Stork, Jangbi, FBH. And KT is what, 6-0?

I'm not "annoyed" by bad fanboys.

Precisely. Your comment about whose fanbase is the "worst" was both less funny and more obnoxious than fanboy posts, because it was a direct disparagement of Jaedong's fanbase (which used to be the worst!) and Flash's fanbase (which is the new worst!). As part of the fanbase of both players, I don't take offense at such posts (this is the internet, people say dumb stuff), but neither would it bother me if people didn't write them in the first place.

I don't say this to antagonize you --- I actually think you'll understand what I'm trying to say. It wasn't your post specifically that made me want to write this, but more a general attitude that's common and that I think we'd be better off without.

(Shooting down or mocking ridiculous fanboy posts is totally fine in my book --- it's the generalization to an entire fanbase that's irritating.)
May the BeSt man win.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
February 23 2010 20:09 GMT
#912
go flash
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 23 2010 20:17 GMT
#913
On February 24 2010 04:53 AzureEye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2010 20:01 samachking wrote:
On February 23 2010 19:59 Highways wrote:
Lol complaining about DT's.

Terran has something 100x more gay. Bunker Rushing vs Zerg.


So true. Atleast the DTs put you behind when they fail, the bunker rush almost never puts you behind unless you fail your micro hardcore.



Aren't you not allowed to participate in balance discussions?


Anyways, m18m isn't a bad player at all. I'm surprised that people haven't realized this. Both his pvp and pvt are very solid. Yes, his pvz is lacking, but Rolster's Z lineup isn't wonderful anyways. Hoejja is definitely their best vs P sniper, but he still is inconsistent at times, along with wunder fail luxury and firefist/815. Violet/Stats would probably be the larger concern, and it's not like any other member of khan left would have fared much better vs them. Turn/Great would have been the only other real options and Great has proven himself incapable of beating Violet even after killing half his probes with a runby. Even if it was just to snipe Flash, getting +1 in the differential can actually matter a lot later on when it comes to playoff contention.
bias-
Profile Joined October 2004
United States410 Posts
February 23 2010 20:46 GMT
#914
Anyone else think flash would have won if he scouted normal? As in not one adjacent position, then cross map (to check for proxi presumably, which is normally smart). I feel like he should have known this guy was going to do a snipe build and scouted extra. Flash knows more than I do obviously, perhaps the extra scv to scout both ways or 150min for an earlier acad would have set him back too much.

What do you do against this? Scout it earlier and pull 6scvs w/ rines to bunker the 12 nex? Cross positions? I know what Idra thinks, but anyone else?
For serious minds, a bias recognized is a bias sterilized.
SVN-ShaS
Profile Joined January 2010
Australia258 Posts
February 23 2010 21:07 GMT
#915
Why i cant find any interview T_T nooo i wanna no what flash said
I love FlaSh !!!
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
February 23 2010 21:12 GMT
#916
I call the match M18M vs Flash is "The Legend K" and k is DTs hot key if you r not a Toss player
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
February 23 2010 21:15 GMT
#917
On February 24 2010 06:07 SVN-ShaS wrote:
Why i cant find any interview T_T nooo i wanna no what flash said


It was just posted! Can't wait to see what Flash has to say about the build of M18M
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
February 23 2010 22:18 GMT
#918
i would like to paraphrase a commonly used saying about Flash about 4 months ago when he was first breaking the all time elo record (which he has been above the entire time since, except for like a couple days O.O)

Flash has a weak TvP.
Weak
T
v
P.

Jangbi agrees.
PiePie
Profile Joined February 2010
United States248 Posts
February 23 2010 22:27 GMT
#919
On February 24 2010 06:15 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2010 06:07 SVN-ShaS wrote:
Why i cant find any interview T_T nooo i wanna no what flash said


It was just posted! Can't wait to see what Flash has to say about the build of M18M


Lol nothing much to say about it. I think we all know 12 nex into DT drops is too imba T_T

I'm glad he said things about how own TvP build though!
RFG- Raging Flash Fangirl
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
February 23 2010 22:37 GMT
#920
flash has just been shitting on those dragons all day

love ittttt

can't wait for group selectionss lululul
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