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[MSL] Nate MSL Grand Finals - Flash vs Jaedong - Page 154

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pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
January 23 2010 10:55 GMT
#3061
WHAT IN GODS MOTHERFUCKING NAME IS MBC DOING JESUS CHRIST AOSIJFOIJKASPDOIFJSALDJFAJSDLÖFJS
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
gumbum8
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States721 Posts
January 23 2010 10:55 GMT
#3062
Oh My Fucking God
This is such bullshit
i 8==D---;(x.x) on mbcgame right now
but really, has anyone REALLY been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Saturnize
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2473 Posts
January 23 2010 10:55 GMT
#3063
lol 4chan
"Time to put the mustard on the hotdog. -_-"
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
January 23 2010 10:56 GMT
#3064
good night. What a waste of sleep time. I should have gone to bed at 9PM...
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
January 23 2010 10:56 GMT
#3065
On January 23 2010 19:49 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 19:48 So no fek wrote:
I honestly think it should have been a rematch. After the decision was announced, Flash looked absolutely devastated, and the look on Jaedong's face wasn't exactly a happy one. These leads me to believe that they just looked at the game, without really asking the players what they thought. I could be wrong, but I'd like to believe Jaedong would agree to a rematch, if they had asked him.

So I don't support Kespa's decision, and I think it will be a black spot on this final, should Jaedong win, however, looking at the game, I think it was pretty clear Jaedong was ahead. It was Jaedong's 4 mining bases, though one was under heavy fire, and may have been lost. We'll never know what would have happened if Flash's attacks had continued, but it looked like Jaedong was going to hold it off. To Flash's 1 mining base, with his second CC floating over to the expansion. It might have been down already, but not mining all the way, I'm not sure. But even then, it was still 2v4 bases, with Jaedong holding off the attack.

I wouldn't put it past Flash to have come back from the game, but he was in a very tight spot. And if this were any other event, than a fucking final, I would agree siding with Jaedong. However, it's a fucking final, rematch, plz.

KeSPA made their decision on their own, after looking solely at resource count right before the crash

KeSPA is fucking retarded



I'm not arguing that one bit. I was just trying to explain my view point, in which I clearly started that they should rematch.
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Jefferson
Profile Joined July 2009
93 Posts
January 23 2010 10:56 GMT
#3066
On January 23 2010 19:41 thopol wrote:
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On January 23 2010 19:34 Jefferson wrote:
i'm so sorry for Flash and i'm not blamin JD for it
but this is biggest and most unprofessional finals i've ever followed
i hope MBC will take really painful consequences for this fiasco

...

How the fuck can you wish that?

I guess I know you're kinda joking, but really, it's clear MBC is in a tight place at the moment just by looking at the crazy finals setup here. It sucks so badly for them that this incident happened in their big match. Wishing them ill is just...



when im sayin "painful consequences", im not referring to death or somehthin stupid,
but to a financial penalty or somethin like that
IT IS MBC's fault, unquestionably
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
January 23 2010 10:56 GMT
#3067
On January 23 2010 19:53 CDRdude wrote:
I'm wondering if the power outage is even MBC's fault. Is it their venue, or are they renting it from another agency? Because of the stuff about the 1k spectator cap, I got the impression that they were renting the venue, and therefore have no control over backup power generators.

Also, are we sure they didn't have backup power generators? The power was out for only like 5 seconds. I'm not sure how long it takes to transfer to the backups, but I doubt it's instantaneous. And for all those people saying to look at the replay, there isn't a replay. Replays are autosaved when a game ends. Since the computers crashed, no replay was saved.


Doesn't matter. It's a big event, they should have had a contingency plan for this revolving around limited backup power to the players and their small studio so that they could continue the game if there was a power outage.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
January 23 2010 10:56 GMT
#3068
On January 23 2010 19:46 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 19:44 KwarK wrote:
There was no way Flash was winning that. He went 2 base allin and needed to shut down JDs economy with his last big push. He failed, his push gaining no ground and his vessel count being totally destroyed. With only 2 vessels against 5 gas defilers it would be impossible for Flash to push into 7. That left him on two mining bases (his main was empty) with one of those about to be mined out. He'd lost map control, his push had failed and JD had the entire Z tech tree and the gas to use it.
Not giving JD the win would have been unfair. Flash's build failed and there was no fallback option for him. JD's income was several times his and Flash had no new bases coming. It was done.



did u watch the fucking game !?

flash DID to MUCH damage
JD hat a LOW economy
flash had his 2nd expansion up and running

giving JD the win IS UNFAIR
T_T



Look, people like Idra and Kwark are lightyears ahead of you in terms of sc knowledge, just dont...

Doesn't mean the decision is fair but I must agree with this:
On January 23 2010 19:46 Monkeyz_Rule wrote:
Jaedong was just barely able to "win" despite getting away with 3 hatch before pool, getting a good ling surround early game, having his 3rd go unscouted for so long because flash was expecting him to take bottom left first, on top of just incredible mutaling play.

As much as I hate how the game ended, I don't think they could have done anything else; giving a rematch would have turned a big advantage for JD into a big disadvantage because his entire, somewhat risky, game plan was already revealed on a map that is T favored.

It's not like you can just turn back time and replay that map like nothing had happened, JD would be screwed so hard.


Either decision is unfair, I do think that it was the right decision but this is obviously fucked up.
beep boop
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
January 23 2010 10:56 GMT
#3069
look guys, konondra mentioned this earlier but the kespa rep clearly said they made their decision partly on leftover resources which in TvZ will always be in zerg's favor. to paraphrase, she said they made their decision based on units, bases and resources... but really, if flash won the fight at 7 -- which was possible -- there's no way you can say zerg is at an advatnage. flash's sci vessels at 7 were down, sure, but so were jaedong's defilers -- his last one got irradiated as soon as it came out of the nydus canal
manner
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 23 2010 10:56 GMT
#3070
Probably will be one of the most memorable finals ever.

Good job with the power outage, Bisu.
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BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
January 23 2010 10:56 GMT
#3071
On January 23 2010 19:55 EximoSua wrote:
There's rumors flying about KT leaving the arena.


there definitely will be now
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
January 23 2010 10:56 GMT
#3072
>>BREAKING NEWS<<

The KT team has left the building, citing their refusal to accept KESPA's decision.

Source:

http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=103322&db=interview
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
Archon_Wing
Profile Joined May 2004
United States378 Posts
January 23 2010 10:56 GMT
#3073
This is just ridiculous; I just want this to end. Maybe I'll just wake up and find out it's a nightmare.
Nothing witty here atm
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
January 23 2010 10:56 GMT
#3074
hi not sure if anyone saw my post earlier but here it is , some info about why the games still not starting

+ Show Spoiler +


창희 says (오후 6:46):
*oh
*i red
*read
{06} alf 李秉彧 이병욱 imscfwp : ) says (오후 6:46):
*lol
창희 says (오후 6:46):
*this article
*just now
{06} alf 李秉彧 이병욱 imscfwp : ) says (오후 6:46):
*o _O
창희 says (오후 6:46):
*KT like
*complained
*about
*the lose
{06} alf 李秉彧 이병욱 imscfwp : ) says (오후 6:46):
*HTTP/1.0 500 Service Unavailable

Team Liquid is currently experiencing high site load and is unavailable. Please try your request again later.

FAILED TO CONNECT TO DATABASE 2
*oh lol
*wtf so fast?
창희 says (오후 6:46):
*so thats why
{06} alf 李秉彧 이병욱 imscfwp : ) says (오후 6:46):
*gg super fast aritcle lol
창희 says (오후 6:46):
*theyre not playing now
*yeah
*KT like
*complaining
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
CoL_Drake
Profile Joined March 2005
Germany455 Posts
January 23 2010 10:56 GMT
#3075
tl.net going down too ^^ to many mbc haters xD

ogn > mbc !
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
January 23 2010 10:56 GMT
#3076
On January 23 2010 19:48 boredcouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 19:45 cz wrote:
On January 23 2010 19:43 boredcouch wrote:
We all know the absolute most fair way to solve this problem is to put the players in the EXACT same position they were at the blackout and play it out. Then we would see how huge Jaedong's advantage really was... Some of you are quite blind...


And this is possible to do how?


Make a custom map with the exact min patches and exact units and buildings on both sides.

They'd need the replay for that, which they don't have.
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4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
January 23 2010 10:56 GMT
#3077
what if the powercut was when flash just took down jeadongs 3th with the mnm ball?

Same sort of situation and we know that 10 min later jd made the comeback and was having the advantage.

So many people on this site seriously talk in here about such stuff and cant even play starcraft to know how comeback heavy the game is.
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
January 23 2010 10:57 GMT
#3078
On January 23 2010 19:54 never_toss wrote:
Guess the power wasn't overwhelming at the station


lol
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
January 23 2010 10:57 GMT
#3079
On January 23 2010 19:53 cz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 19:51 thopol wrote:
There were fuckups, sure. I thought that that last game was a gg when it ended prematurely. I still feel like this is a really good series. I'm not thinking it's cheapened by this incident. If anything it's just funnier, but the games are pretty unhindered in my eyes.


Everyone knows you are a giant Jaedong fanboy and you think everything is absolutely peachy. I'm surprised you didn't just petition MBC to cancel the entire thing and retroactively change the score to 3-0 Jaedong.

No offense to JD fans, but I'm offended.

I have been hoping for good games in these finals and no more. I predicted 3-1 Flash.

The point is, my assessment has nothing to do with a player preference, which in this case does not exist. Instead, it has to do with an understanding of what was happening in that game. I'm not sure why you would make some crazy personal attack on me over my statement, but you appear to be raging, so I understand the impulse. I won't return in kind, but I would like you to consider the possibility that you are more emotional than reasonable about this.
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
January 23 2010 10:57 GMT
#3080
The instant the power went out there was no way to keep this finals from being compromised.

So in other words... FUUUUUUUUCK MBC
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