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[MSL] Nate MSL Grand Finals - Flash vs Jaedong - Page 149

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Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
January 23 2010 10:48 GMT
#2961
Is (P)BackHo at the audience?
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Snowden
Profile Joined April 2009
United States79 Posts
January 23 2010 10:48 GMT
#2962
ball don't lie
jaedong HWAITING
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
January 23 2010 10:48 GMT
#2963
On January 23 2010 19:36 LorDo wrote:
Guys, JD was in the lead. But consider what happened. It's not Flash's fault the power was broken. They CAN never now what would happen that game.

In EVERY sport they replay shit when something like this happens. This is so bad of Kespa. Of course JD would be at a disadvantage if they replay, but he still has a chance. Flash doesn't. This is BULLSHIT.

There is NO other option than replay the game. You guys are just stupid for thinking this is fair.


That's a lie.

If for some reason a soccer match is interrupted after ~60 minutes of the match and the heavy rain / power failure keeps on, the match is over.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 23 2010 10:48 GMT
#2964
There was no way Flash was winning that. He went 2 base allin and needed to shut down JDs economy with his last big push. He failed, his push gaining no ground and his vessel count being totally destroyed. With only 2 vessels against 5 gas defilers it would be impossible for Flash to push into 7. That left him on two mining bases (his main was empty) with one of those about to be mined out. He'd lost map control, his push had failed and JD had the entire Z tech tree and the gas to use it.
Not giving JD the win would have been unfair. Flash's build failed and there was no fallback option for him. JD's income was several times his and Flash had no new bases coming. It was done.


Flash had 3 bases and Jaedong had 4 gas.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
January 23 2010 10:48 GMT
#2965
On January 23 2010 19:46 konadora wrote:
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FAILED TO CONNECT TO DATABASE 2


OMG DATABASE 3!!
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Corrupt
Profile Joined August 2009
Bulgaria1312 Posts
January 23 2010 10:48 GMT
#2966
On January 23 2010 19:46 konadora wrote:
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FAILED TO CONNECT TO DATABASE 2

yep
Just a guy trying to enjoy living in the worst timeline and failing miserably since 1990.
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
January 23 2010 10:48 GMT
#2967
On January 23 2010 19:43 Alethios wrote:
The amount of mbc hate is pretty disgusting guys. They had nothing to do with the decision. Their only fault was a blackout. You guys don't even know if was the entire building or a city block that went down... something which MBC couldn't do anything about. Doesn't stop you guys going after them like a pack of wild dogs.

Cut it out.



I really wouldn't speak if I were you. The reason for the "blackout" was specifically due to a heater in Flash's booth causing overheating in his computer, leading to the blackout. It was 100% the fault of MBC,
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
boredcouch
Profile Joined May 2008
United States110 Posts
January 23 2010 10:48 GMT
#2968
On January 23 2010 19:45 cz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 19:43 boredcouch wrote:
We all know the absolute most fair way to solve this problem is to put the players in the EXACT same position they were at the blackout and play it out. Then we would see how huge Jaedong's advantage really was... Some of you are quite blind...


And this is possible to do how?


Make a custom map with the exact min patches and exact units and buildings on both sides.
starcraft is the greatest game ever
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
January 23 2010 10:48 GMT
#2969
On January 23 2010 19:45 Hinanawi wrote:
Ugh.

Regardless of the results, I think I'm going to steer clear of TeamLiquid for a while after this. The shitstorm won't blow over for at least a week.

Yeah, Jaedong had an advantage, but anything can happen...I know that replaying the set wouldn't be fair to Jaedong, but giving JD the free win isn't fair for Flash, either. No good solution.

I feel bad for both players. Flash for getting fucked by MBC, Jaedong for having his potential MSL gold tarnished by MBC's ineptitude.


Wow, you are so right.
The only thing that could happen to calm this storm(is that possible?) is Flash going ahead and winning the whole thing.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
ejac
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1195 Posts
January 23 2010 10:48 GMT
#2970
[image loading]

Poll: Who was ahead
(Vote): JD won for sure
(Vote): JD ahead, but not decisive
(Vote): Even
(Vote): Flash ahead, but not decisive
(Vote): Flash won for sure

esq>n
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
January 23 2010 10:49 GMT
#2971
Maybe it'ts just me but im watching this because i want to see PLAYERS PLAY MBC!!
How fucking long does this take?
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
January 23 2010 10:49 GMT
#2972
I feel sorry for all those people having MSL parties, LOL!
IPS.Mardow.
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany713 Posts
January 23 2010 10:49 GMT
#2973
Ok this is a good solution imo:

Jaedong gg's right away in game 4. Then they add another bo3 on that 2-2 score so its like a bo7 and everyone can be happy.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 23 2010 10:49 GMT
#2974
This is just sad. It was way too close to give a free win to either player.
I remember when it took Kespa 30 minutes to decide a game where july had 15 hydras inside bisus base and bisu had no units. And this is the freaking finals.

Very bad decision.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
sh02hp0869
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden460 Posts
January 23 2010 10:49 GMT
#2975
Meaby they should redo te game with some sort of advantage to the guy who was leading it wouldent be perfect but better then this.
Hello mother hello father
tyr
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France1686 Posts
January 23 2010 10:49 GMT
#2976
This finals will never be forgotten.
So much failure in so little time.

Can't wait to see how it'll end. ^^
"I'm always reminded of how manly Jaedong is every time I see him." -Bisu
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
January 23 2010 10:49 GMT
#2977
On January 23 2010 19:47 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
*give up on this bullshit*

Hey guys! Anyone one else super pumped for the Wnners League?

EDIT:

MEGA LOLOLOLOL

I've never seen this one before!:

Show nested quote +
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FAILED TO CONNECT TO DATABASE 2

We've now surpassed database two for God's sake.

holy crap database 2
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 23 2010 10:49 GMT
#2978
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When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
TheOvermind
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1 Post
January 23 2010 10:49 GMT
#2979
This will forever change SC.

Everybody in the world will have an opinion on this, it will either be
1."good decision, he had clear advantage"
2."BS flash could have pulled out" "
3. "No matter who had advan, make them replay"
4. What is SC/SC sucks/Who watches or plays this ish

And no we shall discuss this for the next year and watch as future rules are modified or clarified.



poor newb
Profile Joined April 2004
United States1879 Posts
January 23 2010 10:49 GMT
#2980
On January 23 2010 19:43 Qikz wrote:
Right. I'm no fanboy for either player but all I can really say to the decision is there's no way JD was ahead. He was trapped in his 7 o clock and even if Flash was losing alot of his M&M he could of expanded anywhere unchallenged. He had one CC finished for his third and was about to lift while building a second one to fly to his fourth.

I seriously don't understand this decision.


bullshit, jaedong has more ultra ling coming out with 4 bases
How do you mine minerals?
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