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InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
January 19 2010 23:17 GMT
#761
On January 20 2010 05:47 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2010 04:13 Mortician wrote:
On January 20 2010 04:10 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Why isn't anyone talking about Hoejja's brilliant play in game 3? :<

Without him, Flash never would have even had a chance to play. And he played phenomenal...


Was it Hoejja's brilliant play or Kal's mistake to not leave reavers and HT at his bases?


Er did you guys even watch the same game I did? I saw Hoejja tearing down bases while HT's stormed and reavers defended.

Hoejja plagued reavers with defilers, continuously dropped lings EVERYWHERE, and controlled the mid. It wasn't so much a "mistake" as it was Kal trying to take the initiative and then getting outmaneuvered by just ridic multitask on Hoejja's part.

P can't really split up their ball of death into 8 different little parts. Hoejja could with good obs sniping and lurker defense in the mid. That game was most definitely Hoejja playing amazing not Kal massively noobing.

I'm really amazed people aren't impressed by this game and feel the need to complain about bunker rushing instead. Bunker rushes have been around forever.

I watched the vod today and totally agree that HoeJJa played brilliant. I'm not surprised because his been known for his good ZvP for some time know. When Destination was in the roster he was often sent out to pwn tosses (remember when his burrow lings wrecked havoc in Bisus base, that warmed my heart).
Stork protoss legend
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 19 2010 23:23 GMT
#762
HoeJJa played well...admittedly I've been a bit biased against him because he's let KT down so many times this season, but he really did well catching Kal off guard with that multi-front attack that turned the game around for him.

It was a really big surprise though, since Kal had already been practicing against Zerg a ton for his series against Jaedong.

What I really want is for Luxury to go back to performing like he did in R1 >:/
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 19 2010 23:57 GMT
#763
It's R2, Lux always performs bad in even rounds.

He'll be back for WL.
Remember Violet.
Aduromors
Profile Joined July 2009
United States279 Posts
January 20 2010 00:34 GMT
#764
Sending out Calm for ace seemed like a kind of misguided move. Flash has probably been preparing almost exclusively on his TvZ for the MSL. Although It makes sense to send out STX's strongest player for the ace, I'm guessing that if they sent out Kal or Hwasin KT might not have even sent out Flash at all
t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
January 20 2010 00:41 GMT
#765
On January 20 2010 09:34 Aduromors wrote:
Sending out Calm for ace seemed like a kind of misguided move. Flash has probably been preparing almost exclusively on his TvZ for the MSL. Although It makes sense to send out STX's strongest player for the ace, I'm guessing that if they sent out Kal or Hwasin KT might not have even sent out Flash at all


I think they were hoping that Flash would feel apprehensive about revealing in-game timings and hence play subpar, which makes me wonder why Calm didn't smell a cheese coming...
"Look, don't congratulate us when we buy a company, congratulate us when we sell it. Because any fool can overpay and buy a company, so long as there is money to buy it." --Henry Kravis
Etopen
Profile Joined September 2009
United States138 Posts
January 20 2010 00:44 GMT
#766
On January 20 2010 09:34 Aduromors wrote:
Sending out Calm for ace seemed like a kind of misguided move. Flash has probably been preparing almost exclusively on his TvZ for the MSL. Although It makes sense to send out STX's strongest player for the ace, I'm guessing that if they sent out Kal or Hwasin KT might not have even sent out Flash at all


Just so you know, KT don't know who STX was sending so no matter who they send, Flash would be send out no matter what.
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6124 Posts
January 20 2010 00:45 GMT
#767
On January 20 2010 06:23 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2010 03:02 AzureEye wrote:
Its common knowledge. Just like how we know air exists but its very difficult to prove that it does. Analysis of matchups cannot be objective unless we say obvious things like Drones have 40 health

Yes, it's "common knowledge", just like Z>P and P>T. The game is circularly balanced, and by some counts, TvZ is the fairest of the 3 matchups (certainly there are way more people who whine about PvZ and TvP).

TvP is the most balanced of the matchups.

It's only because of the massive Terran whine on TL that people complain about PvT.
"14 Nexus is auto win"
"DT's are so imba"
"OMG recall needs to be nerfed"
"All he did was 1a2a3a"
"Storms do too much damage"
"Carriers are auto win"

TvZ is easily the most imba matchup imo.
#1 Terran hater
sauc
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada26 Posts
January 20 2010 01:29 GMT
#768
Your sig makes it really hard to take what you say seriously
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 20 2010 02:00 GMT
#769
Never take a highways post seriously.
Remember Violet.
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
January 20 2010 02:02 GMT
#770
i wish i can witness a protoss own as much as flash is right now soon before sc:bw phases out
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8202 Posts
January 20 2010 03:59 GMT
#771
Thank fucking god Azure got banned. Kid was trolling out of his mind.

Sadly if Flash beats JD in the MSL I expect a ton of whine posts like his.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 05:34:50
January 20 2010 05:31 GMT
#772
On January 20 2010 11:02 johnnyspazz wrote:
i wish i can witness a protoss own as much as flash is right now soon before sc:bw phases out


I'll have faith in Bisu until the end of BW

In SCII Savior is going to rape everyone as Protoss

On January 20 2010 08:07 SilverskY wrote:
There is seriously so much bitching in TL nowadays it's sickening. Flash is good, that's it, please stop crying.


Honestly, I don't understand it. Lee Young Ho is untouchable right now and so many people cry about it. What is there to complain about? YES HE'S JUST THAT GOOD
When he wins MSL and owns Winner's League, becoming God of all bonjwas, they will stfu.
KTY
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
January 20 2010 06:07 GMT
#773
But what if Jaedong beats Flash? It's happened before, and it sure as hell can happen again.
WWJDD??
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
January 20 2010 09:35 GMT
#774
On January 20 2010 15:07 WWJDD wrote:
But what if Jaedong beats Flash? It's happened before, and it sure as hell can happen again.


Then we go "welp", and we move on. Who the fuck cares who wins as long as we get good games. Because I'm bettting that whoever the winner is will win in an extremely unexciting manner due to the insane skill level of the players involved.
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
January 20 2010 10:02 GMT
#775
when i see the game times ends in 5 min on youtube i thought, "omfg calm will 5 pool"? but apparently not.
but on note to haters and complainers, Flash is good, deal with it. This is starcraft, a strategy game for fucks sake; either outplay your opponent or gtfo.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 21 2010 00:51 GMT
#776
On January 20 2010 14:31 Xxio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2010 11:02 johnnyspazz wrote:
i wish i can witness a protoss own as much as flash is right now soon before sc:bw phases out


I'll have faith in Bisu until the end of BW

In SCII Savior is going to rape everyone as Protoss

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2010 08:07 SilverskY wrote:
There is seriously so much bitching in TL nowadays it's sickening. Flash is good, that's it, please stop crying.


Honestly, I don't understand it. Lee Young Ho is untouchable right now and so many people cry about it. What is there to complain about? YES HE'S JUST THAT GOOD
When he wins MSL and owns Winner's League, becoming God of all bonjwas, they will stfu.


People don't really complain less when there's a bonjwa around.
Remember Violet.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
January 21 2010 01:51 GMT
#777
Total humiliation of STX Zergs...

And glad to see AzureEye being banned for 30 days. Serves him right.
Sentient66
Profile Joined July 2009
United States651 Posts
January 21 2010 02:25 GMT
#778
KT Rolster used HM05. KT Rolster used FLASH!!!!!
seNsiX.421
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
January 21 2010 03:02 GMT
#779
On January 20 2010 09:45 Highways wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2010 06:23 TheYango wrote:
On January 20 2010 03:02 AzureEye wrote:
Its common knowledge. Just like how we know air exists but its very difficult to prove that it does. Analysis of matchups cannot be objective unless we say obvious things like Drones have 40 health

Yes, it's "common knowledge", just like Z>P and P>T. The game is circularly balanced, and by some counts, TvZ is the fairest of the 3 matchups (certainly there are way more people who whine about PvZ and TvP).

TvP is the most balanced of the matchups.

It's only because of the massive Terran whine on TL that people complain about PvT.
"14 Nexus is auto win"
"DT's are so imba"
"OMG recall needs to be nerfed"
"All he did was 1a2a3a"
"Storms do too much damage"
"Carriers are auto win"

TvZ is easily the most imba matchup imo.


One of the things I noticed in pro TvZ, PvT, and ZvP, is if the former lets the latter get to standard late game, the imbalance is greatly in the latter's advantage.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
January 21 2010 04:08 GMT
#780
most of the perceived imbalance is mainly due to the power of cheese in the matchups

terran can gay zerg so hard
zerg can gay protoss so hard
and protoss can gay terran so hard

each of those matchups have a plethora of cheese available to them.. while the reverse dont have as many options.
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