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pathy
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Taiwan619 Posts
January 04 2010 23:27 GMT
#1221
oh fuckkkkkkk. it's k stork,
Graphicscolosi suck
Rebel_lion
Profile Joined January 2009
United States271 Posts
January 04 2010 23:45 GMT
#1222
I'm not for this arguement one way or the other, but using time as a qualifier over amount of games played is worthless.
Something witty here....
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
January 04 2010 23:46 GMT
#1223
Any recommended games besides stork v flash and fbh v flash?
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
January 04 2010 23:51 GMT
#1224
On January 05 2010 08:46 MuffinDude wrote:
Any recommended games besides stork v flash and fbh v flash?


Violet's game.
Allow me to reintroduce myself...
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17868 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-04 23:54:01
January 04 2010 23:52 GMT
#1225
On January 05 2010 08:46 MuffinDude wrote:
Any recommended games besides stork v flash and fbh v flash?



Stork vs Flash I wouldn't recommend (short game with nothing special in it).
Stork vs Stats was quite jawdropping.
Great vs Violet was epic/sad (depends on who are you cheering for). It's one of this games where you ask yourself "How the fuck did this happen?".
Jangbi vs Luxury was mighty fine example of how to dismantle Zerg.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Illusion.
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States348 Posts
January 05 2010 00:07 GMT
#1226
DONT POST A TOPIC LIKE THIS IF U WHERENT GOING TO UPDATE DUMMY
STORK FOR LIFE.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
January 05 2010 00:08 GMT
#1227
On January 05 2010 08:51 Orbifold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2010 08:46 MuffinDude wrote:
Any recommended games besides stork v flash and fbh v flash?


Violet's game.

great vs. violet was terrible
@QxGDarkCell ._.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 00:21:59
January 05 2010 00:21 GMT
#1228
flash is bonjwa to me.
no bonjwas had his %of winning. and these times its harder.
you can leave it up to koreans or wait or whatever i dont care kk
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13922 Posts
January 05 2010 00:25 GMT
#1229
On January 05 2010 09:21 StylishVODs wrote:
flash is bonjwa to me.
no bonjwas had his %of winning. and these times its harder.
you can leave it up to koreans or wait or whatever i dont care kk


hes lacking star league titles atm though which could be solved soon
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 00:29:19
January 05 2010 00:28 GMT
#1230
i dont care about titles
I don't care if he keeps it up for another year.
Other bonjwas never came close to this kind of domination...
These months he's been the best player ever to walk the earth.
If he drops it now, we will probably not see anyone at that level again..
Thats enough for me.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Sadness
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Brazil552 Posts
January 05 2010 00:53 GMT
#1231
On January 05 2010 09:21 StylishVODs wrote:
no bonjwas had his %of winning.

I agree with this, but you just can't say he's a bonjwa if he hasn't won any titles
It just doesn't seem right, like there's something missing

But I do believe that if flash takes both titles it will be ridicoulous not calling him a bonjwa
It will show utter domination, like the most dominant player ever, the ultimate level of dominance possible
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 05 2010 01:20 GMT
#1232
On January 05 2010 08:11 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2010 07:52 Holgerius wrote:
I'm definitely not that confident that Flash would 3-0 JD, but many JD fans (SuperArc in particular) just can't accept the fact that Flash is clearly the better of the two at the moment, despite Flash breaking every record there is and raping him in their H2H series.


When did I say Jaedong is playing better SC than Flash atm?

You don't really say it out loud, but it's an undertone in many of your posts related to Flash. Your fanboyism for JD is very obvious, and it has a tendency to manifest itself by your inclination to include gobs of denial and negativity concerning Flash (who is according to you ''gay'' and ''ruined christmas for everyone'' by cheesing JD) in your posts. Even after Flash had crushed JD hard in their Bo3 you just couldn't muster the willpower to admit Flash's current superiority by just writing something plain and simple like ''Oh gosh, it seems like Flash has indeed climbed up a level above my precious Jaedong'', but you had to argue that the result didn't prove anything because the second game was a cheese and the first game didn't ''mean shit'' (because JD won a Bo5 against Bisu 9 months earlier).

Flash is a favourite against Jaedong right now even in a Bo5.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 01:23:21
January 05 2010 01:21 GMT
#1233
i think we can all agree on the following points:

1.) flash is displaying bonjwa-worthy play and domination atm
2.) to be considered bonjwa, flash has to win more titles and continue his current domination for a more extended period of time
3.) in an MSL finals flash vs jd, flash would be the clear favorite, but surely not with 10:1 odds or something crazy like this.



some other thing i noticed: since i started following the proscene in late 08, i have taken a close look on flash, bisu and jaedong. all of them were showing sick starcraft for some time, but i always had the feeling like it might be ending soon. in the perspective of several dozens of games, they looked somewhat vulnerable even during their period of domination. whenever one of them had dominated for a time long enough to make the first guys talk about the b-word, they fell into some sort of 5-10 game minislump.
flash this season on the other hand gives me a different feeling. the cumulative impression of all his games played is that of invulnerability. even if he loses a game, i dont fear his form and domination going to shreds. he makes me feel like his domination could go on for months.
obviously nothing objective and maybe others dont share this impression, but still i think this time its different from all the short-term periods of domination that we have seen since the fall of savior.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 05 2010 01:49 GMT
#1234
I think it's because it doesn't feel like what Flash does can be copied. Other Zergs somewhat caught up to Jaedong by copying him...obviously they couldn't quite reach his level, but they studied him enough and his skill rubbed off on the rest of the Zerg race. Jaedong has amazing physical, but physical is something that can be copied.

With Flash though, other Terrans just can't copy his game sense. There's no "oh look at what Flash did, if I do that too then I can dominate just like him". You see it sometimes when a Terran thinks they're going to be clever like Flash and try something like unorthodox timing M&M pushes against Zerg, only to have their force completely decimated by muta/ling right away. They don't have maphacks in their brain like Flash does, or his bionic control.

That's why he's on a 22(!) game TvT streak. It's not that other Terrans don't know how to beat him in TvT, they just can't. His game sense is too good.

What Terran are you going to ask to help you practice against Flash if you have a series against him? "Okay, for this practice I want you to play Flash style". "Uhhhh...." Who the hell are Jaedong and Stork going to ask, Hiya and firebathero?
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Assymptotic
Profile Joined February 2009
United States552 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 02:32:47
January 05 2010 02:17 GMT
#1235
On January 05 2010 08:52 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2010 08:46 MuffinDude wrote:
Any recommended games besides stork v flash and fbh v flash?



Stork vs Flash I wouldn't recommend (short game with nothing special in it).
Stork vs Stats was quite jawdropping.
Great vs Violet was epic/sad (depends on who are you cheering for). It's one of this games where you ask yourself "How the fuck did this happen?".
Jangbi vs Luxury was mighty fine example of how to dismantle Zerg.


Stork vs. Flash was definitely special; it showcased Flash's ability to execute a timing attack exactly when his opponent is weakest. In other words, it highlights Flash's 'sixth sense'.

Stork went for a greedy build; it was a 2-base tech into shuttle/reaver while expanding slightly before the robo bay. 400 minerals for the nexus, 200/200 for the robo bay, 150/100 for the robo support, plus all the extra minerals needed for pylons and probes at the expansion, which equals a lot of units that could have been built. Flash got 1 vulture into Stork's base by luckily evading a dragoon shot at the last second and saw what Stork had and knew right then and there that the time to end the game was now so he cuts SCV production and drops an extra 2 factories.
I was rooting for Stork from the beginning, but once that lone vulture got lucky by evading a dragoon shot, combined with Flash's aggressive use of vulture mines (and Stork's carelessness with dragoons), it all went downhill from there.
So close, and yet so far
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 05 2010 03:00 GMT
#1236
On January 05 2010 11:17 Assymptotic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2010 08:52 Manit0u wrote:
On January 05 2010 08:46 MuffinDude wrote:
Any recommended games besides stork v flash and fbh v flash?



Stork vs Flash I wouldn't recommend (short game with nothing special in it).
Stork vs Stats was quite jawdropping.
Great vs Violet was epic/sad (depends on who are you cheering for). It's one of this games where you ask yourself "How the fuck did this happen?".
Jangbi vs Luxury was mighty fine example of how to dismantle Zerg.


Stork vs. Flash was definitely special; it showcased Flash's ability to execute a timing attack exactly when his opponent is weakest. In other words, it highlights Flash's 'sixth sense'.

Stork went for a greedy build; it was a 2-base tech into shuttle/reaver while expanding slightly before the robo bay. 400 minerals for the nexus, 200/200 for the robo bay, 150/100 for the robo support, plus all the extra minerals needed for pylons and probes at the expansion, which equals a lot of units that could have been built. Flash got 1 vulture into Stork's base by luckily evading a dragoon shot at the last second and saw what Stork had and knew right then and there that the time to end the game was now so he cuts SCV production and drops an extra 2 factories.
I was rooting for Stork from the beginning, but once that lone vulture got lucky by evading a dragoon shot, combined with Flash's aggressive use of vulture mines (and Stork's carelessness with dragoons), it all went downhill from there.


it was a great way to scare the living shit out of every protoss alive
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
January 05 2010 03:04 GMT
#1237
On January 05 2010 11:17 Assymptotic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2010 08:52 Manit0u wrote:
On January 05 2010 08:46 MuffinDude wrote:
Any recommended games besides stork v flash and fbh v flash?



Stork vs Flash I wouldn't recommend (short game with nothing special in it).
Stork vs Stats was quite jawdropping.
Great vs Violet was epic/sad (depends on who are you cheering for). It's one of this games where you ask yourself "How the fuck did this happen?".
Jangbi vs Luxury was mighty fine example of how to dismantle Zerg.


Stork vs. Flash was definitely special; it showcased Flash's ability to execute a timing attack exactly when his opponent is weakest. In other words, it highlights Flash's 'sixth sense'.

Stork went for a greedy build; it was a 2-base tech into shuttle/reaver while expanding slightly before the robo bay. 400 minerals for the nexus, 200/200 for the robo bay, 150/100 for the robo support, plus all the extra minerals needed for pylons and probes at the expansion, which equals a lot of units that could have been built. Flash got 1 vulture into Stork's base by luckily evading a dragoon shot at the last second and saw what Stork had and knew right then and there that the time to end the game was now so he cuts SCV production and drops an extra 2 factories.
I was rooting for Stork from the beginning, but once that lone vulture got lucky by evading a dragoon shot, combined with Flash's aggressive use of vulture mines (and Stork's carelessness with dragoons), it all went downhill from there.


Perfect analysis. That's exactly what happened. Stork MIGHT, MIGHT have even survived it for the short term if he hadn't thrown away 4 goons to mines -_-. Too bad he did exactly that and his reaver had almost no space to micro in.
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
January 05 2010 03:58 GMT
#1238
On January 05 2010 09:07 Illusion. wrote:
DONT POST A TOPIC LIKE THIS IF U WHERENT GOING TO UPDATE DUMMY


lol. But yeah, I agree. :/
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17868 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 04:51:06
January 05 2010 04:50 GMT
#1239
Flash got lucky on scouting. Downhill for Stork from then.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 05 2010 04:52 GMT
#1240
On January 05 2010 09:07 Illusion. wrote:
DONT POST A TOPIC LIKE THIS IF U WHERENT GOING TO UPDATE DUMMY

It's rather frustrating at times, but all caps is obnoxious as hell. No need to flame someone because they might have forgotten or didn't have the time. Chill.

Flash played well. Stork got a bit unlucky, but hey, it's Flash.
God Bless
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