Jaedong, Flash, Stork, and Bisu have all displayed bonjwa level Starcraft at some point in their careers. The problem is not a single one has far surpassed the rest, for a LONG ENOUGH PERIOD OF TIME to be considered a bonjwa.

And it's not just a matter of results, otherwise Nada would've been the first time people used the word bonjwa. Nada wasn't, Savior was.

Flash is displaying bonjwa level Starcraft, the question is if he can keep it up. The bigger question on MY mind is whether or not he can take Jaedong out in a BO5.

If it came down to a Flash vs Jaedong BO5 in the MSL, and Flash 3-0d Jaedong and secures an OSL title in the same season, then I think it'd be too difficult to argue against Flash's candidacy for bonjwa.

But right now, I think even Flash fans agree that not enough games have gone on between Flash and Jaedong to really to determine that one is definitively better than the other. Let alone Flash vs Stork and Flash vs Bisu.

yhnmk

Canada630 Posts

January 04 2010 20:43 GMT

#1204

^ I agree with the above. Though I think flash would beat jaedong in b05 atm, and you can say "flash is better than jaedong" I completely 100% agree that its been way too little of time. Who knows what will happen a month from now. Jaedong up, flash down. Its happened before. You really cant call a bonjwa a bonjwa until the end of his reign anyways, when you can get out of the event look around and go "dayum, he did rape". Just saying, its a hard process to be objective about a present event and we can only accurately gauge flash months from now, when he has or has not accomplished more.

moopie

12605 Posts

January 04 2010 21:07 GMT

#1205

On January 04 2010 07:57 moopie wrote:
Game 1: Stork vs Stats on Outsider SE
Game 2: firebathero vs Flash on Neo Moon Glaive
Game 3: JangBi vs Luxury on New Heartbreak Ridge
Game 4: great vs Violet on Fighting Spirit
Game 5: Stork vs Flash on New Tornado

Sigh

Canada2433 Posts

January 04 2010 21:08 GMT

#1206

Thanks for the update. shame on you op ><
Flash is a monster, holy.

Xiphos

Canada7507 Posts

January 04 2010 21:11 GMT

#1207

Jaedong BETTER come to the semi-finals and destroy whoever is there to stop him and meet Flash at Final of Bo5, that would actually be the Final of the year.

SuperArc

Austria7781 Posts

January 04 2010 21:22 GMT

#1208

On January 05 2010 06:11 Xiphos wrote:
Jaedong BETTER come to the semi-finals and destroy whoever is there to stop him and meet Flash at Final of Bo5, that would actually be the Final of the year.

More like the greatest final ever.

Kyo Yuy

United States1286 Posts

January 04 2010 21:25 GMT

#1209

On January 05 2010 06:22 SuperArc wrote:

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More like the greatest final ever.

With all due respect good sir, nothing will ever surpass the EVER OSL 04 finals between Boxer and iloveoov.

I'm not talking about just the skill levels or the intensity of the games. Just the fact that it's Boxer. And iloveoov. Best of five. And it came down to the wire.

Flash and Jaedong may be the two best players of all time, but they don't have the same sense of friendship and - dare I say - emotional rivalry that Boxer and iloveoov had.

Holgerius

Sweden16951 Posts

January 04 2010 21:33 GMT

#1210

On January 05 2010 06:22 SuperArc wrote:

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More like the greatest final ever.

Nah, it would be a disappointment. Flash would 3-0 JD with ease and all you JD fanboys would just whine for an eternity afterwards about how ''If it had been a Bo7 JD would've turned it around and made it 4-3 easily because he can't lose a Bo7''.

Vasoline73

United States8071 Posts

January 04 2010 22:03 GMT

#1211

On January 05 2010 06:33 Holgerius wrote:

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I know you're just picking on JD fans but I've always been a huge huge Flash fan and I wouldn't feel super confident about him vs JD in a Bo5. Sure he's the favorite... but JD can pull insane things in clutch moments. Hopefully he does so we get some GGs

DyEnasTy

United States3714 Posts

January 04 2010 22:15 GMT

#1212

On January 05 2010 07:03 Vasoline73 wrote:

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I feel the same way. Its like if Flash is playing insane, and Jaedong slumping, somehow JD turns into a different person and starts playing better. Just like when a NFL team is not playing well, but then next week the Dallas Cowboys are coming to town. So everyone starts playing like they are in the super bowl.

538

Hungary3932 Posts

January 04 2010 22:30 GMT

#1213

lol, so many people are gonna be angry at Kal.

But we wont care! :D

Avidkeystamper

United States8556 Posts

January 04 2010 22:31 GMT

#1214

O_O
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Holy Shit

Holgerius

Sweden16951 Posts

January 04 2010 22:52 GMT

#1215

I'm definitely not that confident that Flash would 3-0 JD, but many JD fans (SuperArc in particular) just can't accept the fact that Flash is clearly the better of the two at the moment, despite Flash breaking every record there is and raping him in their H2H series.

DreaM)XeRO

Korea (South)4667 Posts

January 04 2010 23:04 GMT

#1216

On January 05 2010 04:50 Kyo Yuy wrote:

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Jaedong, Flash, Stork, and Bisu have all displayed bonjwa level Starcraft at some point in their careers. The problem is not a single one has far surpassed the rest, for a LONG ENOUGH PERIOD OF TIME to be considered a bonjwa.

But right now, I think even Flash fans agree that not enough games have gone on between Flash and Jaedong to really to determine that one is definitively better than the other. Let alone Flash vs Stork and Flash vs Bisu.

This guy has a good point. Flash IS playing at a "bonjwa" level
His TvT's streak is the longest in history and he is playing light's out in all MU's

Jayme

United States5866 Posts

January 04 2010 23:10 GMT

#1217

On January 05 2010 04:50 Kyo Yuy wrote:

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Jaedong, Flash, Stork, and Bisu have all displayed bonjwa level Starcraft at some point in their careers. The problem is not a single one has far surpassed the rest, for a LONG ENOUGH PERIOD OF TIME to be considered a bonjwa.

And it's not just a matter of results, otherwise Nada would've been the first time people used the word bonjwa. Nada wasn't, Savior was.

Flash is displaying bonjwa level Starcraft, the question is if he can keep it up. The bigger question on MY mind is whether or not he can take Jaedong out in a BO5.

If it came down to a Flash vs Jaedong BO5 in the MSL, and Flash 3-0d Jaedong and secures an OSL title in the same season, then I think it'd be too difficult to argue against Flash's candidacy for bonjwa.

But right now, I think even Flash fans agree that not enough games have gone on between Flash and Jaedong to really to determine that one is definitively better than the other. Let alone Flash vs Stork and Flash vs Bisu.

Flash is better than Jaedong right now, thinking otherwise is laughable.

Avidkeystamper

United States8556 Posts

January 04 2010 23:10 GMT

#1218

Why do people care about bonjwa? Flash is playing the best Starcraft ever played at the moment, something the bonjwas have not come close to (obv talking about absolute, why would I be considering comparative levels?)

SuperArc

Austria7781 Posts

January 04 2010 23:11 GMT

#1219

On January 05 2010 07:52 Holgerius wrote:
I'm definitely not that confident that Flash would 3-0 JD, but many JD fans (SuperArc in particular) just can't accept the fact that Flash is clearly the better of the two at the moment, despite Flash breaking every record there is and raping him in their H2H series.

When did I say Jaedong is playing better SC than Flash atm?

Hinanawi

United States2250 Posts

January 04 2010 23:21 GMT

#1220

Isn't this kind of a totally worthless argument anyway, since us foreigners don't get to bestow the bonjwa title on players? Seriously, leave the bickering there for the Koreans.

For now we can just say that this Flash kid is pretty decent at Starcraft, amirite?