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[OSL] EVER OSL Semi-Final A: Flash vs Calm - Page 113

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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
January 01 2010 11:53 GMT
#2241
On January 01 2010 20:49 konadora wrote:
111 pages and it's not even the finals lol

g.
I dunno if the finals are going to be this good T.T Here's to hopin
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
January 01 2010 11:53 GMT
#2242
On January 01 2010 20:51 FireGuyX wrote:
What's Flash's ELO now?


probably something like -15 for the loss and +2 for each winm, so it -9
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 01 2010 11:54 GMT
#2243
On January 01 2010 20:51 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 20:48 SuperArc wrote:
On January 01 2010 20:46 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
On January 01 2010 20:45 domane wrote:
Is it viable for a zerg to let terran kill his third and try to win with mutas on 2 bases?


nope, you lose your third, you basically lose the game, except for some very special circumstances/games/maps


but Flash had no turrets in his main/expo?

I wonder if Calm had gone in if he had known.


Hard to say - I would go with the reasoning of levels (similar to poker) where flash knew that calm didn't know that he didn't have any turrets. This means that flash could be late on turrets as long as he was agressive with a minimally small mnm force.

The game kind of came down to calm not doing enough damage with his muta, however you want to interpret that.


Flash had either of 3 things. Turrets, 3 rax producing marines (Which can fend Muta Harass off *Enough* to make losing his third GG), or some crazy build that Calm could've just backstabbed and killed.

Flash is done with crazy builds. Atleast it seems that way.
Remember Violet.
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 11:54:54
January 01 2010 11:54 GMT
#2244
On January 01 2010 20:51 FireGuyX wrote:
What's Flash's ELO now?


2392....Yikes Calm had like the 4th highest ELO, winning 3 was probably worth +15 and losing 1 was -12.
blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 11:56:15
January 01 2010 11:54 GMT
#2245
On January 01 2010 20:51 poboxy wrote:
Game 3 was all but boring, it clearly shows that Flash can also play long and tedious games. Didn't give an inch of his territory and bleeding Calm slowly but surely.

It was actually quite beautiful.


uh, when has flash's ability to play management games ever been in doubt?
it's what he's most known for

his nick went from "cheesy bitch" two years ago to "turtle terran"
just that recently he has reverted back to using cheeses more often, instead of 14ccing every game and losing to 9 pools everytime
| MLIA | the weather sucks dick here
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17733 Posts
January 01 2010 11:54 GMT
#2246
i wonder if flash sent his rine in last game because while he was microing his scv he accidently rallied his rax to where his scv was while checking the progress of his rines.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
muramasa
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada1299 Posts
January 01 2010 11:55 GMT
#2247
It seems like zerg needs to play close to a perfect game to win against Flash.

Good series. Kudos to Calm for making a match of it.
Hong Jin Ho. Nevar forget.
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
January 01 2010 11:55 GMT
#2248
On January 01 2010 20:54 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
i wonder if flash sent his rine in last game because while he was microing his scv he accidently rallied his rax to where his scv was while checking the progress of his rines.

Nah. It was just a donation.

"Here have a rine~ loL~"
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PredY
Profile Joined September 2009
Czech Republic1731 Posts
January 01 2010 11:55 GMT
#2249
On January 01 2010 20:54 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
i wonder if flash sent his rine in last game because while he was microing his scv he accidently rallied his rax to where his scv was while checking the progress of his rines.


yes
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
January 01 2010 11:55 GMT
#2250
On January 01 2010 20:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 20:48 thunk wrote:
On January 01 2010 20:46 TwoToneTerran wrote:
guys you know how being a Flash fan has kind of sucked for the last year or so?

DOESN'T SUCK ANYMORE AHAHAHAHA


Flash was always good. He got knocked out of individual leagues early. This is the first year he's still in both leagues. I'm pulling for my boy Doh Jae Wook, but I wouldn't mind seeing the Ultimate weapon winning both the MSL and OSL this year.


We know. We've always known Flash was amazing. A real Flash fan truly saw past the disappointing losses from a slightly immature, overworked kid. But Flash seems to have grown up between the seasons and now he's truly executing the potential that made everyone think another Oov was about to come about during Bacchus/GSI.

And it's so good.

TURTLE EAT CLAM


The coaches have given him practice time off of proleague matches to practice for this too.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
cokencheese
Profile Joined October 2009
Philippines748 Posts
January 01 2010 11:55 GMT
#2251
I still think Jaedong gave Calm his game 2 HBR strategy. :3

Zergs need to figure out a way to stop Flash's pre-defiler death push. It's insane how much killing power it has.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
January 01 2010 11:55 GMT
#2252
On January 01 2010 20:55 muramasa wrote:
It seems like zerg needs to play close to a perfect game to win against Flash.

Good series. Kudos to Calm for making a match of it.


Calm played a damn near perfect match in set 3, capitalizing on his early advantage, and brutal sci vessel sniping. Still wasn't enough. >_>
TranslatorBaa!
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
January 01 2010 11:56 GMT
#2253
On January 01 2010 20:50 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 20:49 konadora wrote:
111 pages and it's not even the finals lol


The finals are gonna have less than 60 pages.

Because it was the real finals.
I love Shine and as KaL member I definitely root for him.
However, neither Shine nor Movie even stand the SLIGHTEST chance against this kid.
Maybe with some luck the finals will only be 3-1 with either Movie or Shine somehow "squeazing" out a win, but that's it.

That being said, Movie and Shine both deserve to get to the finals - especially Shine considering his incredibly hard road and both of em COULD normally win it - if not for the sake of Flash being literally unbeatable right now.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 01 2010 11:56 GMT
#2254
On January 01 2010 20:51 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 20:48 SuperArc wrote:
On January 01 2010 20:46 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
On January 01 2010 20:45 domane wrote:
Is it viable for a zerg to let terran kill his third and try to win with mutas on 2 bases?


nope, you lose your third, you basically lose the game, except for some very special circumstances/games/maps


but Flash had no turrets in his main/expo?

I wonder if Calm had gone in if he had known.


Hard to say - I would go with the reasoning of levels (similar to poker) where flash knew that calm didn't know that he didn't have any turrets. This means that flash could be late on turrets as long as he was agressive with a minimally small mnm force.

The game kind of came down to calm not doing enough damage with his muta, however you want to interpret that.


I would've gone for Zerg's Nat, and then main. I don't see why 3rd would be a better target if both places are undefended.

THen Calm would've been fucked.

I think Calm knew Flash had no turrets inside his main (from game re-watching game 3, which I hope he did), but he couldn't risk it.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
January 01 2010 11:56 GMT
#2255
On January 01 2010 20:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 20:50 meegrean wrote:

I used to be a Flash fan, but got sick of his epic chokes. I'm waiting to see how many individual leagues he will win this year.


Just means you weren't a true fan. The true fans must be ecstatic right now.

I guess not. I switched my fan loyalty to Jaedong after Flash got raped like a noob in Gom season 1. But I will admit that Flash has been playing like a beast recently. Hope he chokes
Brood War loyalist
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 01 2010 11:56 GMT
#2256
On January 01 2010 20:55 thunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 20:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On January 01 2010 20:48 thunk wrote:
On January 01 2010 20:46 TwoToneTerran wrote:
guys you know how being a Flash fan has kind of sucked for the last year or so?

DOESN'T SUCK ANYMORE AHAHAHAHA


Flash was always good. He got knocked out of individual leagues early. This is the first year he's still in both leagues. I'm pulling for my boy Doh Jae Wook, but I wouldn't mind seeing the Ultimate weapon winning both the MSL and OSL this year.


We know. We've always known Flash was amazing. A real Flash fan truly saw past the disappointing losses from a slightly immature, overworked kid. But Flash seems to have grown up between the seasons and now he's truly executing the potential that made everyone think another Oov was about to come about during Bacchus/GSI.

And it's so good.

TURTLE EAT CLAM


The coaches have given him practice time off of proleague matches to practice for this too.


Hot forever is the best coach now and anyone who says otherwise can eat my fuc.
Remember Violet.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13069 Posts
January 01 2010 11:57 GMT
#2257
Kinda wierd we saw 4 games both players used the same build flash 1 rax cc and calm 2 hatch muta . I wanted to see some 8rax or some 9pool but oh well..
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
January 01 2010 11:57 GMT
#2258
Flash's vZ ELO peak is 1 shy of Oov, 1 or 2 more vZ wins should slide him into 2nd all time for vZ ELO.
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 11:58:29
January 01 2010 11:57 GMT
#2259
On January 01 2010 20:56 iNfeRnaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 20:50 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 01 2010 20:49 konadora wrote:
111 pages and it's not even the finals lol


The finals are gonna have less than 60 pages.

Because it was the real finals.
I love Shine and as KaL member I definitely root for him.
However, neither Shine nor Movie even stand the SLIGHTEST chance against this kid.
Maybe with some luck the finals will only be 3-1 with either Movie or Shine somehow "squeazing" out a win, but that's it.

That being said, Movie and Shine both deserve to get to the finals - especially Shine considering his incredibly hard road and both of em COULD normally win it - if not for the sake of Flash being literally unbeatable right now.



Movie's road was just as hard, he had to beat Light and By.Hero in the round of 36, than beating Zero in the round of 8.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
January 01 2010 11:57 GMT
#2260
On January 01 2010 20:56 meegrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 20:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 01 2010 20:50 meegrean wrote:

I used to be a Flash fan, but got sick of his epic chokes. I'm waiting to see how many individual leagues he will win this year.


Just means you weren't a true fan. The true fans must be ecstatic right now.

I guess not. I switched my fan loyalty to Jaedong after Flash got raped like a noob in Gom season 1. But I will admit that Flash has been playing like a beast recently. Hope he chokes


Beauty of being a fan is sticking with your player even when he plays like shit, because then when he finally comes back to wreck shit, the feeling's great.

I'm still waiting for by.hero to win a Starleague ;O
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