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On December 25 2009 18:56 sleeepy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 18:53 MuffinDude wrote:On December 25 2009 18:51 sleeepy wrote:
@ Jaedong fans:
8 rax isn't cheese. It wasn't even that much of a proxy, just a forward rax outside the normal ovie scouting pattern. Plus, Jaedong scouted it anyways, he should have reacted better. Flash played better and that's why he won. Jaedong scouted the fucking marine that killed the overlord. Not the fucking cheese, and yes this is a fucking cheese. I'm not even a jaedong fan and i'm disappointed. Cheese implies that the player doing it would be dead/nearly dead if it failed. Please explain how Flash would have been dead/nearly dead if JD saw the rax and held off the rush?
Flash would of lost his 100 min for bunker 200 min for marine 250 min for scv and would be slightly behind if it doesn't kill about 9 drones. No quite behind for mutalisks.
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Stop pretending it wasn't a good game just because it was short
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all you people should be raging at the OSL for the fact that Flash vs Jaedong was a quarterfinals matchup. the MSL does not have this problem
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Yea, was definitely cheese. That said, as a Zerg player and a Jaedong fan, I don't blame Flash for that sucky game; I blame Jaedong for not putting up a good fight.
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On December 25 2009 18:55 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 18:54 Cambium wrote:On December 25 2009 18:53 MuffinDude wrote:On December 25 2009 18:51 sleeepy wrote:
@ Jaedong fans:
8 rax isn't cheese. It wasn't even that much of a proxy, just a forward rax outside the normal ovie scouting pattern. Plus, Jaedong scouted it anyways, he should have reacted better. Flash played better and that's why he won. Jaedong scouted the fucking marine that killed the overlord. Not the fucking cheese, and yes this is a fucking cheese. I'm not even a jaedong fan and i'm disappointed. It's not cheese... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=108196 How much gayer can a terran get besides 8rax?
Proxy bbs is worse.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On December 25 2009 18:56 sleeepy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 18:53 MuffinDude wrote:On December 25 2009 18:51 sleeepy wrote:
@ Jaedong fans:
8 rax isn't cheese. It wasn't even that much of a proxy, just a forward rax outside the normal ovie scouting pattern. Plus, Jaedong scouted it anyways, he should have reacted better. Flash played better and that's why he won. Jaedong scouted the fucking marine that killed the overlord. Not the fucking cheese, and yes this is a fucking cheese. I'm not even a jaedong fan and i'm disappointed. Cheese implies that the player doing it would be dead/nearly dead if it failed. Please explain how Flash would have been dead/nearly dead if JD saw the rax and held off the rush?
Non stop Marine production (which implies little SCV production), sent all Marines to JD's base, sent 4 SCVs to JD's base, no logical continuation from Flash (if he put up a factory, then it'd be a different story).
It was a full on cheese.
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United States10774 Posts
On December 25 2009 18:55 o3.power91 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 18:53 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
Flash hasn't cheesed in like 20 games, ridiculous how many people are hating on him instead of JD for not scouting with a drone or cancelling his hatch. there was NO WAY he could defend this with a dead overlord Flash hasn't played many players better than him in a while so there was no need to cheese. He seems to like cheesing better players...
that's just bullshit. he has played plenty, plenty of very good players. he hasn't cheesed in...as long as i can remember?
i predicted a flash win either way, based on the brutal raping he gave to JAEDONG. he's even more dangerous now that zergs are reminded flash can do things other than FE opening.
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lol. POLL TIME
Poll: Which cheese was more anti-climatic?
(Vote): Flash vs Jaedong set #2
(Vote): Fantasy vs Jaedong @ Proleague Finals
TL has spoken. that was not very cool flash 
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On December 25 2009 18:56 sleeepy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 18:53 MuffinDude wrote:On December 25 2009 18:51 sleeepy wrote:
@ Jaedong fans:
8 rax isn't cheese. It wasn't even that much of a proxy, just a forward rax outside the normal ovie scouting pattern. Plus, Jaedong scouted it anyways, he should have reacted better. Flash played better and that's why he won. Jaedong scouted the fucking marine that killed the overlord. Not the fucking cheese, and yes this is a fucking cheese. I'm not even a jaedong fan and i'm disappointed. Cheese implies that the player doing it would be dead/nearly dead if it failed. Please explain how Flash would have been dead/nearly dead if JD saw the rax and held off the rush?
he would have been behind economically and it was built sooner then a rax normally would.
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On December 25 2009 18:56 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 18:55 o3.power91 wrote:On December 25 2009 18:53 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
Flash hasn't cheesed in like 20 games, ridiculous how many people are hating on him instead of JD for not scouting with a drone or cancelling his hatch. there was NO WAY he could defend this with a dead overlord Flash hasn't played many players better than him in a while so there was no need to cheese. He seems to like cheesing better players... lol you did watch game one yes?
i said Flash likes to cheese better players. I didn't say Flash ALWAYS cheeses better players.
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On December 25 2009 18:54 MYM.Testie wrote:
I can't believe Jaedong cheesed by trying to gain an early advantage by hatching first.
Glad he got punished.
lol so true, anyway FLASH finally back to rooooooots, we've missed you !
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I found a pc bang just to watch tonight's games
The connection is just barely NOT fast enough for the streams
Thank you Flash for cheesing I don't feel so angry now
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On December 25 2009 18:56 skronch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 18:55 Khul Sadukar wrote:
Flash destroyed my Christmas in 2009. lol so true
Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness. Mm-yummy!
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Baa?21243 Posts
On December 25 2009 18:57 kuku8 wrote:
JD pool 4 - GENIOUS. Flash - barrak 6 - OMG CHEESY NEWBIE.
When JD 4 pooled fantasy it was revenge, so it was acceptable :<
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I don't know why everyone is mad at Flash for this. This is a series and everyone throws in some strategic play in a series. Jaedong always 9 pools or 4 pools vs terrans in series all the time. It's good to see Flash advancing so far in a starleague again, but i was sort of hoping Jaedong would defend the bunker rush.
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Are people seriously arguing that a proxy 8 rax, followed by a bunker with pulled SCVs is not cheese?
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FlaSh's bo worked perfectly..
Hope Pure wins against Calm 
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Flash did WHAT HAD TO BE DONE. Period ! Dind't JD 4 or 5 pooled Fantasy in a starleague before ? Stop your whining. This isn't snooker, it's not a gentleman's sport.
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Well I guess strategically Flash did the right thing. He had nothing to lose. He went for a fast win with 1 game advantage, if it went bad he could still come back 3rd game. Meanwhile JD no doubt concentrated on his mid game; since mid game play is what cost him the 1st game.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On December 25 2009 18:56 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 18:55 Plexa wrote:On December 25 2009 18:54 Cambium wrote:On December 25 2009 18:53 MuffinDude wrote:On December 25 2009 18:51 sleeepy wrote:
@ Jaedong fans:
8 rax isn't cheese. It wasn't even that much of a proxy, just a forward rax outside the normal ovie scouting pattern. Plus, Jaedong scouted it anyways, he should have reacted better. Flash played better and that's why he won. Jaedong scouted the fucking marine that killed the overlord. Not the fucking cheese, and yes this is a fucking cheese. I'm not even a jaedong fan and i'm disappointed. It's not cheese... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=108196 If Jaedong didn't realise that the timing of the marine was that of an 8rax he deserves to lose that game  seeing that marine gave jaedong all the information he needed. Jaedong fucked up, Flash didnt. End of discussion! what 8 rax ffs? Learn to count i didn't see what rax it was, but it was rax before supply so regardless, the marine timing was significantly earlier. Point still stands.
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