wow...ok ur looking at this trade off in generic numbers...listen up
those 4 zealots were part of movie's opening timing attack. those are zealots that any average protoss player would accomplish absolutely nothing with, but movie does. he killed drones, and had them drilling instead of mining, at the cost of 4 zealots. if u think 4 zealots is a lot in FE PvZ, then ur just frugal.
also, those HT's were not the most important HTs in that particular game. they were movie's first 2 hts, which probably didnt even have enough energy at the time they boarded the shuttle. in your normal C game at iccup, its nice when u get 10 drones with 2 storms cuz your opponent is no pro to run them or avoid the storm. but this is ZERO ur talking about, arguably the best ZvP in the world right now. to get 7 drones off of him in HBR is huge. i cant believe im still debating this. i'll stop cuz u people dont even wanna understand that killing drones is the best/only way to win PvZ.

and btw there was another dead drone. hero probe remember? yeah, that affects a lot too in case u didnt know

Sigh, the original question was why did Zero lose the game. I'm saying his ultimate epic fail in teh middle where he had a vastly superior army cost him the game instead of the econ loss from 7 drones. Killing drones is nice, but having your opponent throw his entire army away and let you keep most of yours is a little better

meeple

Canada10211 Posts

December 18 2009 11:20 GMT

#1310

Shine taking a third at 5 oclock, and teching to lair

Chen

United States6344 Posts

December 18 2009 11:21 GMT

#1311

for someone who has exp in that situation, who comes out on top when Zerg sacs most of his initial lings for a few probes?

Saracen

United States5139 Posts

December 18 2009 11:21 GMT

#1312

On December 18 2009 20:20 Chen wrote:

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What did ZerO do wrong? He had a good economy... lots of hydras and lurkers. He even sniped all the ht? But yet he still wasn't able to break down Movie's army.

good economy...hmm, did you miss when movie raped some of those drones with a few zealots? zero lost a lot of mining time moving them around.
oh, and did you forget the 5+ drones that died to storms? yeah. not such good economy after all

Pls. Zero was in an exellent position. Movie's harras didn't pay off. Zero just fucked up.

didnt pay off...wow...ur another one that sees harass in terms of pure numbers. sure, all the money that movie spent to kill say 7 drones was probably way more than 350 minerals (7x50). but those are DRONES ur talking about. ie larvae. ie time. ie late buildings/units. 7 drones is like half the saturation of one zerg base.
if u really dont think harassing in PvZ pays off, why do you think the pros OPEN with strategy that aim at harming drones?

I really can't tell if you're trolling or not. Would you really trade 7 larvae (generic zerg units, like 7 hydras, for example) for a shuttle, 4 zealots, 2 high templar, and 2 dark templar?

LOL YES ANY TIME as long as those 7 drones are earli-er drones like zero's were yes.
anyone wouldnt? LOL

I'm pretty sure any protoss who only gets 7 drones with 2 HT's, 2 DT's, 4 zlots and a shuttle a fail harass. 1 storm usually=3/4 hydras at least in a battle, thus you would hopefully want to get more than that in # of drones. 6 drones for 2 storms and DT's just isnt worth it
anyways off topic, main point is fail in middle played much bigger role

Let it die, he's obviously a troll...

lazz

Australia3119 Posts

December 18 2009 11:21 GMT

#1313

stork LIEK BUBBLEGUM

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

December 18 2009 11:21 GMT

#1314

Stork seems to be... behind? What, why, how?