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On December 12 2009 15:35 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 15:32 lyhb wrote:On December 12 2009 14:06 Holgerius wrote: Can anyone find any sort of weakness at all in Flash's TvZ right now? He's proved himself immune to any all-in aggression, shown exceptional skills at executing aggressive strats himself, has flawless micro and just look at todays game for evidence of his insane macro and late game management. he said in an interview that his tvz is still lacking againts jd... and theres no freaking way you know more about flash than flash himself He could just be being modest... regardless we'll see in a week
flash is a modest guy but are you trying to say that there isnt any truth from the statement?
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On December 12 2009 15:52 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 15:32 lyhb wrote:On December 12 2009 14:06 Holgerius wrote: Can anyone find any sort of weakness at all in Flash's TvZ right now? He's proved himself immune to any all-in aggression, shown exceptional skills at executing aggressive strats himself, has flawless micro and just look at todays game for evidence of his insane macro and late game management. he said in an interview that his tvz is still lacking againts jd... and theres no freaking way you know more about flash than flash himself Flash is just being professional and modest - he also mentioned in the very same interview that when they meet, he'll have worked hard enough to have a spectacular victory. It was a confident answer that shows his respect for Jaedong. If they asked Jaedong the same question, you would get a similar answer because the two clearly respect each other. Jaedong might win, but Flash's TvZ is awesome enough to give Jaedong a hard time and you're kidding yourself if you think his TvZ still needs to be tested.
he know jd is from a different cut
his tvz is tested and is the best in the world right now but until i see him 'destroy' s class/top 3 zergs then id think his tvz streak is legit... beat players with close or the same skill level then you can hype the little monster
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The only zergs Flash hasn't beaten in his streak that are worth mentioning are Calm (HAHAHAHAHA) and Jaedong. He is tested against anyone relevant except for Jaedong, which is obviously what this Match Up will be.
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On December 12 2009 23:09 lyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 15:52 Womwomwom wrote:On December 12 2009 15:32 lyhb wrote:On December 12 2009 14:06 Holgerius wrote: Can anyone find any sort of weakness at all in Flash's TvZ right now? He's proved himself immune to any all-in aggression, shown exceptional skills at executing aggressive strats himself, has flawless micro and just look at todays game for evidence of his insane macro and late game management. he said in an interview that his tvz is still lacking againts jd... and theres no freaking way you know more about flash than flash himself Flash is just being professional and modest - he also mentioned in the very same interview that when they meet, he'll have worked hard enough to have a spectacular victory. It was a confident answer that shows his respect for Jaedong. If they asked Jaedong the same question, you would get a similar answer because the two clearly respect each other. Jaedong might win, but Flash's TvZ is awesome enough to give Jaedong a hard time and you're kidding yourself if you think his TvZ still needs to be tested. he know jd is from a different cut his tvz is tested and is the best in the world right now but until i see him 'destroy' s class/top 3 zergs then id think his tvz streak is legit... beat players with close or the same skill level then you can hype the little monster
So if Flash loses to Jaedong, his streak is not legit?
Simple yes or no question.
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This Jaedong Flash match has really polarized TL here. It's utterly shocking the number of people who say that Flash's TvZ isn't legit. Discounting the Savior match (and it is clear that Flash wasn't trying there) Flash has won is last 19 straight vs Z. Further, I've watched every one of those games and at no point was he even close to losing one of those games which is something that can't be said about his TvT record (there have been some nail-biters in that TvT record). Give credit where credit is deserved.
That said I mean nothing against Jaedong, he is obviously a monster in his own right and has been more successful than Flash this year. I will LB Flash but that's more because I want Flash to win than I think he is a clear favorite.
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I absolutely refuse to argue with anyone who says Flash's TvZ streak isn't ''legit''. Come on...
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Flash has always been rock solid against non-S class players though
what's new?
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On December 12 2009 23:33 NFL2368 wrote: Flash has always been rock solid against non-S class players though
what's new?
Nothing is new so this series will prove whether or not Flash can live up to people's expectations of him.
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MrHoon
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lol...
Streak isn't legit... haha wow.
Man you guys are seriously pulling shit out your ass now
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Russian Federation150 Posts
On December 12 2009 23:13 TwoToneTerran wrote: The only zergs Flash hasn't beaten in his streak that are worth mentioning are Calm (HAHAHAHAHA) and Jaedong. He is tested against anyone relevant except for Jaedong, which is obviously what this Match Up will be.
And Zero...
Edit: He is 1-1 vs Zero, according to TLPD, and he lost their last match (which was more than a year ago). Actually, it makes his MSL series even more interesting now.
Edit 2: typo
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konadora
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On December 12 2009 23:49 MrHoon wrote: lol...
Streak isn't legit... haha wow.
Man you guys are seriously pulling shit out your ass now the guys who are saying this are the guys who look at TLPD and then look at who Flash faced, followed by looking at those players' ZvT rate.
I swear they have never even watched his games.
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Russian Federation150 Posts
To add more hype:
Both Flash znd Zero are at their ELO peaks (2370 and 2237, respectively).
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On December 12 2009 15:55 Interista90 wrote: Nice, haha. Group A: Jaedong < Flash
Group B: Calm < Pure
Group C: Movie > ZerO
Group D: Shine < Stork
Flash > Pure Movie < Stork
Flash < Stork.
Stork is going to take this OSL the manly way.
Stork > Shine Stork > Zero Stork > Calm Stork > Jaedong
At least I can dream...
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On December 12 2009 23:33 NFL2368 wrote: Flash has always been rock solid against non-S class players though
what's new?
Flash also won the most difficult OSL run in the history of the game. I do not pretend Flash has been performing up to his potential since Bacchus. There is no greater enemy that anyone faces in their lifetime than their own potential. However, I believe most people here understand that there is currently a fire in Flash that he has been missing since that Bacchus run.
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I feel confident in flash for one reason: he mentioned that it would be "fun" to face jaedong. It is that attitude of youthful unencumbrance and easy confidence that allowed him to do well when we won his OSL/first GOM. The pressure of high expectations is what has done him in since then.
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Flash will take the gold. im sorry Jaedong :l..
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On December 12 2009 07:49 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 05:15 .risingdragoon wrote: Flash is hugely favored over Jaedong right now.
One guy's been rolling around in hell all season beat down all Z comers, the other has barely played 3 games vT. Even if both have the same skill it's not hard to see whose skill is sharper at this point.
2-0 in a BO3, 3-0/3-1 in a BO5 I'd say. Yea I love both, it just is what it is. Those 3 ZvTs weren't even close.
Those 19 TvZs weren't even close.
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On December 12 2009 23:47 Redshirt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 23:33 NFL2368 wrote: Flash has always been rock solid against non-S class players though
what's new? Nothing is new so this series will prove whether or not Flash can live up to people's expectations of him.
Maybe you're new, dunno.
What's new is the style in which Flash won all those TvZ. Just go and watch his last game against type-b. Total domination. Poor type-b got raped so hard that he was on the verge of crying.
I watched every single game of Falsh since the beginning of the season and I have to say I haven't seen him playing that well in a looooong time.
Whether he win or not against Jaedong is a different question. But I just hate people who only look at the results without watching games. The style in which he wins makes people hype Flash so much. Not the streak itself.
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it's pretty silly when people try to pretend that flash isn't s-class or bar none the best terran in the world
"DERP HES JUST A TURTLE HE JUST MACROS SO BORING NOT INNOVATIVE EVEN I CAN TURTLE"
Breaks my heart to see such retarded things posted and taken seriously. lol do people realize that when he won his OSL, he eliminated Jaedong (best ZvT in the world) and then prison raped the best PvT player in the world who was deemed utterly invincible against Terran in what is now the second shortest OSL finals ever?
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Oh god, Flash vs Stork would be AWWWWWWWWWESOME
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