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[OSL] Ever 2009 OSL - Ro16 - Day 6 - Page 49

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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-12 01:50:19
December 12 2009 01:48 GMT
#961
On December 12 2009 09:17 johanes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2009 09:07 Gumbo wrote:
On December 12 2009 05:15 .risingdragoon wrote:
Flash is hugely favored over Jaedong right now.


No he's not.

Yes he is.


Lol what do you base that on? Their last matchup Jaedong won...
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
December 12 2009 02:04 GMT
#962
On December 12 2009 10:48 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2009 09:17 johanes wrote:
On December 12 2009 09:07 Gumbo wrote:
On December 12 2009 05:15 .risingdragoon wrote:
Flash is hugely favored over Jaedong right now.


No he's not.

Yes he is.


Lol what do you base that on? Their last matchup Jaedong won...

Based on both of their recent performance
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
December 12 2009 02:12 GMT
#963
Jaedong's dominated any non ZvZ for the last two months.
Jaedong
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
December 12 2009 02:18 GMT
#964
It's a 50/50 shot.


Flash playing so well right now but Jaedong is Jaedong.
We decide our own destiny
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
December 12 2009 02:20 GMT
#965
Holy shit, it's happening... JD vs. Flash.
Graphics
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
December 12 2009 02:37 GMT
#966
To those that are downloading my torrent, can you please help me upload? Should have done at least 1 complete round by now, yet it's not completed even once.
POGGERS
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
December 12 2009 02:43 GMT
#967
JAEDONG VS FLASSHHHHH O_____________O
:)
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
December 12 2009 02:44 GMT
#968
I wasn't around for Boxer, iloveoov, or Nada's heydays, but I find it hard to imagine that any player has ever been playing more perfect Terran vs Zerg than Flash is right now.

What can Jaedong do differently to make his games against Flash not end the same way as the last 12? I don't think there was a single game in Flash's 12 streak where the Zerg player was close to winning at any point.

But, this is Jaedong we're talking about. He's a cut above, and on top of that, Flash's nerves might falter when facing his eternal rival.

Fuck I can't wait. I just wish all 3 games could be played on the same day, this splitting up the games thing is horrible.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
December 12 2009 02:55 GMT
#969
On December 12 2009 11:44 Hinanawi wrote:
I wasn't around for Boxer, iloveoov, or Nada's heydays, but I find it hard to imagine that any player has ever been playing more perfect Terran vs Zerg than Flash is right now.

At each of those players' era, their play was THE perfect play. Boxer with unbelievable MnM micro, Oov with monster macro and NaDa with both. It's hard to compare those guys with Flash simply because of the huge difference between players back then and now (heck, even current B-team players should be able to wipe the floor with the back-then A-class players), but yeah, if comparing the perfection of the above-mentioned players back then and Flash now, I'd say Flash is THE perfect Terran (sorry Xellos :p).
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 12 2009 05:06 GMT
#970
Can anyone find any sort of weakness at all in Flash's TvZ right now? He's proved himself immune to any all-in aggression, shown exceptional skills at executing aggressive strats himself, has flawless micro and just look at todays game for evidence of his insane macro and late game management.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
lyhb
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada208 Posts
December 12 2009 06:32 GMT
#971
On December 12 2009 14:06 Holgerius wrote:
Can anyone find any sort of weakness at all in Flash's TvZ right now? He's proved himself immune to any all-in aggression, shown exceptional skills at executing aggressive strats himself, has flawless micro and just look at todays game for evidence of his insane macro and late game management.




he said in an interview that his tvz is still lacking againts jd... and theres no freaking way you know more about flash than flash himself
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 12 2009 06:35 GMT
#972
On December 12 2009 15:32 lyhb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2009 14:06 Holgerius wrote:
Can anyone find any sort of weakness at all in Flash's TvZ right now? He's proved himself immune to any all-in aggression, shown exceptional skills at executing aggressive strats himself, has flawless micro and just look at todays game for evidence of his insane macro and late game management.




he said in an interview that his tvz is still lacking againts jd... and theres no freaking way you know more about flash than flash himself


He could just be being modest... regardless we'll see in a week
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
December 12 2009 06:52 GMT
#973
On December 12 2009 15:32 lyhb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2009 14:06 Holgerius wrote:
Can anyone find any sort of weakness at all in Flash's TvZ right now? He's proved himself immune to any all-in aggression, shown exceptional skills at executing aggressive strats himself, has flawless micro and just look at todays game for evidence of his insane macro and late game management.




he said in an interview that his tvz is still lacking againts jd... and theres no freaking way you know more about flash than flash himself


Flash is just being professional and modest - he also mentioned in the very same interview that when they meet, he'll have worked hard enough to have a spectacular victory. It was a confident answer that shows his respect for Jaedong.

If they asked Jaedong the same question, you would get a similar answer because the two clearly respect each other. Jaedong might win, but Flash's TvZ is awesome enough to give Jaedong a hard time and you're kidding yourself if you think his TvZ still needs to be tested.
Interista90
Profile Joined December 2009
Vietnam16 Posts
December 12 2009 06:55 GMT
#974
Nice, haha.
Group A: Jaedong < Flash

Group B: Calm < Pure

Group C: Movie > ZerO

Group D: Shine < Stork

Flash > Pure
Movie < Stork

Flash < Stork.
Taek-Bang Hwaiting!
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
December 12 2009 06:58 GMT
#975
On December 12 2009 15:32 lyhb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2009 14:06 Holgerius wrote:
Can anyone find any sort of weakness at all in Flash's TvZ right now? He's proved himself immune to any all-in aggression, shown exceptional skills at executing aggressive strats himself, has flawless micro and just look at todays game for evidence of his insane macro and late game management.




he said in an interview that his tvz is still lacking againts jd... and theres no freaking way you know more about flash than flash himself

Lol, once I saw your name I decided I'd probably be better off not trying to speak logic to you.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7834 Posts
December 12 2009 07:33 GMT
#976
Honestly, the only thing JD really has going for him coming into this match is mind games. Which is alot more than people just basing things off results are giving credit for...

I say it's Flash favored, but there's going to be a ton of pressure on Flash and he doesn't always preform well under pressure...
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
December 12 2009 07:55 GMT
#977
I don't think Jaedong has played enough ZvT recently for anyone to accurately judge how strong he currently is in that match-up.
oatboy
Profile Joined December 2008
United States198 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-12 08:07:56
December 12 2009 08:00 GMT
#978
I'd agree with that, we've pretty much seen Flash's TvZ lately, and it's really fuckin good. Jaedong's only played a few TvZs, but none of those ever seemed remotely close so it's hard to say where he is. I think for jaedong to take the series he'll have to do something besides playing totally standard.

Edit: Looking at flashes wins vs Z since his "loss" to savior in the proleague all-stars. He really hasn't played anyone good. Hogil, Saint, hyvaa, type-b? The best ZvT player in there is Yarnc who is 4-6 vs T in his last ten, and was only really ever good vs mech. I'm not saying flash's bio control isn't obscene right now, but we have a lot of uncertaintly going into this match, which will make it fun.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
December 12 2009 09:54 GMT
#979
i hope flash wins this OSL!!! sorry jaedong! but u got golden mouse already whatev!
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
December 12 2009 10:33 GMT
#980
On December 12 2009 17:00 oatboy wrote:
I'd agree with that, we've pretty much seen Flash's TvZ lately, and it's really fuckin good. Jaedong's only played a few TvZs, but none of those ever seemed remotely close so it's hard to say where he is. I think for jaedong to take the series he'll have to do something besides playing totally standard.

Edit: Looking at flashes wins vs Z since his "loss" to savior in the proleague all-stars. He really hasn't played anyone good. Hogil, Saint, hyvaa, type-b? The best ZvT player in there is Yarnc who is 4-6 vs T in his last ten, and was only really ever good vs mech. I'm not saying flash's bio control isn't obscene right now, but we have a lot of uncertaintly going into this match, which will make it fun.


Yeah but he also rolled Effort convincingly in WCG right before that.

The thing with Flash's TvZ wins is yes his opponents aren't great but the games aren't even REMOTELY close. I don't think even Jaedong is THAT much better than all the other Zergs that he can take Flash's current form playing purely standard. We'll see though.

I'd say Flash/JD is 55/45, and Flash/Zero is like 70/30
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