Poll: Who will advance? (Vote): Iloveoov and Reach (Vote): Iloveoov and YellOw (Vote): Iloveoov and ChRh (Vote): ChRh and YellOw (Vote): ChrH and Reach (Vote): YellOw and Reach
Poll: Who are you rooting for? (Vote): The Gorilla- Iloveoov (Vote): The Storm Zerg- YellOw (Vote): The Hero- Reach (Vote): The Pretty Boy- ChRh
Poll: Who will win the whole tournament? (Vote): The Emperor- SlayerS_BoxeR (Vote): The Genius- [ReD]NaDa (Vote): Han Bang Toss- IntoTheRain (Vote): The Overmind- H.O.T-Forever (Vote): The Pretty Boy- ChRh (Vote): The Hero- Reach (Vote): The Gorilla- Iloveoov (Vote): The Storm Zerg- YellOw
On November 30 2009 06:42 haster27 wrote: oov! This man was just as great as Boxer- I'm sure he is still good enough to stand toe-to-toe against still pro-gamers such as Reach and Yellow.
He beat ZerO in the winners league last season lol
On November 30 2009 06:41 SuperArc wrote: I'll never understand why NaDa doesn't get the attention YellOw/Reach/Oov do. I do understand BoxeR > all tho.
Nada never plays anymore. We still get to see people like Reach and Yellow and Boxer play but i haven't seen a Nada game in months =(
Thats 9 players =P I've heard the least about Chojja and rainbow, but maybe thats cause i didnt follow SC early enough. Where's Nada and Savior? not "old" enough for you?
Thats 9 players =P I've heard the least about Chojja and rainbow, but maybe thats cause i didnt follow SC early enough. Where's Nada and Savior? not "old" enough for you?
I've heard the least about Chojja and rainbow, but maybe thats cause i didnt follow SC early enough. Where's Nada and Savior? not "old" enough for you?
Nada's on the list, and Savior's basically a newfag compared to these guys.
What exactly is Xellos considered to be? I was under the impression that he is an old school player who qualifies as one of the "legends". Yet he was not invited to the Heritage league and also missed out on this one as well.
Why Nal_rA isn't invited? And it's too bad there's only one protoss But I'm glad to see Nada, Boxer, and Oov in the same tournament, oldschool TvT hwaiting !
On November 30 2009 19:37 endy wrote: Why Nal_rA isn't invited? And it's too bad there's only one protoss But I'm glad to see Nada, Boxer, and Oov in the same tournament, oldschool TvT hwaiting !
Because Nal_rA isn't "old-school" compared to these players.
On November 30 2009 19:37 endy wrote: Why Nal_rA isn't invited? And it's too bad there's only one protoss But I'm glad to see Nada, Boxer, and Oov in the same tournament, oldschool TvT hwaiting !
Because Nal_rA isn't "old-school" compared to these players.
What? Perhaps you should spend a bit of time on TLPD! Nal_ra is quite "old school".
On November 30 2009 19:37 endy wrote: Why Nal_rA isn't invited? And it's too bad there's only one protoss But I'm glad to see Nada, Boxer, and Oov in the same tournament, oldschool TvT hwaiting !
Because Nal_rA isn't "old-school" compared to these players.
What? Perhaps you should spend a bit of time on TLPD! Nal_ra is quite "old school".
Yes but not as old school as ChRh, H.O.T-Forever and Boxer.
On November 30 2009 19:37 endy wrote: Why Nal_rA isn't invited? And it's too bad there's only one protoss But I'm glad to see Nada, Boxer, and Oov in the same tournament, oldschool TvT hwaiting !
Because Nal_rA isn't "old-school" compared to these players.
What? Perhaps you should spend a bit of time on TLPD! Nal_ra is quite "old school".
Yes but not as old school as ChRh, H.O.T-Forever and Boxer.
Obviously not - could you explain the point you are making?
On December 01 2009 09:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Nal Ra's a generation behind Reach/YellOw. Same with Xellos.
And Oov? Also - it seems to me that Ra's first recorded (TLPD) match was only about 5 months later than Reach's...how are we defining "generation" here? Looks as though Oov doesn't have recorded matches until 03.
Anyway, the point was that "not old-school enough" doesn't really seem to be the criterion that excluded Ra. Who cares what it actually was, though it's a shame we do not get to see him play.
This is going to kick so much ass. Ov, Reach, Yellow in in one night. X-mas comes on nov 30th this year. I think Yellow and Reach will make it through, but I'd rather see some good games rather then my picks be right. + Show Spoiler +
Nada is truly amazing. Until very recently, he has been able to hang around with the best of the modern generation players toe to toe. It is unbelievable that he is actually a first generation progamer.
This is going to amazing! It will be really interesting to see how Oov plays is. I'm sure he plays as to practice with the team and what not but I am looking forward to how much skill he has retained
every other player is still playing and honestly not too exciting, but oov's games are too rare (this "playing" coach thing is BS). curious if he still knows how to play
Thanks for the stream Roffles! But can you take Katsuge's chat access off or something? Watching him type is the worst thing that could happen when watching a stream.
On December 01 2009 13:22 Roffles wrote: Mines out just in time to save Oov.
actually, i think its the other way around. i think oov was trying to bait reach into the mines cuz he obviously know his 4 marine and 1 tank push wont do anything and he engaged the 4 dragoons to make reach chase him
On December 01 2009 13:22 Roffles wrote: Mines out just in time to save Oov.
actually, i think its the other way around. i think oov was trying to bait reach into the mines cuz he obviously know his 4 marine and 1 tank push wont do anything and he engaged the 4 dragoons to make reach chase him
I don't think so. He didn't know about reach going 2 gate goons. Could have been anything else.
yes emp on the only arbiter that has engery. oov raping reach's bases at the bottom. Why do they even use bisu and fantasy if they have oov? I love this
On December 01 2009 13:35 IPS.ZeRo wrote: oov smiling, i guess he was really sad that he missed out heritage. This is his tournament, gogo oov
I feel like all the old players miss playing against people who were their peers when they were all in the limelight. It's exciting for them, exciting for us, and gives them a chance to be back in the spotlight
??? Wut, you mean the guy who still plays in proleague regularly lost to a guy whos pretty much an assistant coach who hasnt played a televised game since god knows when... damn, soo bonjwa
also sexy starcraft christmas song. AND A BRAND NEW SCV
On December 01 2009 13:37 lone_hydra wrote: ??? Wut, you mean the guy who still plays in proleague regularly lost to a guy whos pretty much an assistant coach who hasnt played a televised game since god knows when... damn, soo bonjwa
also sexy starcraft christmas song. AND A BRAND NEW SCV
since winners league of last season.
he isn't retired. in fact during his comeback as a playing coach he came up with a TvP build that directly counters the protoss counter to the flash build. what a genius
On December 01 2009 13:37 lone_hydra wrote: ??? Wut, you mean the guy who still plays in proleague regularly lost to a guy whos pretty much an assistant coach who hasnt played a televised game since god knows when... damn, soo bonjwa
also sexy starcraft christmas song. AND A BRAND NEW SCV
since winners league of last season.
he isn't retired. in fact during his comeback as a playing coach he came up with a TvP build that directly counters the protoss counter to the flash build. what a genius
Which builds are those? (the protoss counter and his counter)
On December 01 2009 13:37 lone_hydra wrote: ??? Wut, you mean the guy who still plays in proleague regularly lost to a guy whos pretty much an assistant coach who hasnt played a televised game since god knows when... damn, soo bonjwa
also sexy starcraft christmas song. AND A BRAND NEW SCV
since winners league of last season.
he isn't retired. in fact during his comeback as a playing coach he came up with a TvP build that directly counters the protoss counter to the flash build. what a genius
What is the oov build and the toss counter to the flash build you're talking about?
Why did reach opt for such late zealot speed upgrades? Did he simply miscalculate a timing push or was he risking it as a process for this arbiter build? Did the harassment really hurt his unit combination?
On December 01 2009 13:37 lone_hydra wrote: ??? Wut, you mean the guy who still plays in proleague regularly lost to a guy whos pretty much an assistant coach who hasnt played a televised game since god knows when... damn, soo bonjwa
also sexy starcraft christmas song. AND A BRAND NEW SCV
since winners league of last season.
he isn't retired. in fact during his comeback as a playing coach he came up with a TvP build that directly counters the protoss counter to the flash build. what a genius
wait, there is a counter to flashbuild other than just playing better? what is that?
On December 01 2009 13:37 lone_hydra wrote: ??? Wut, you mean the guy who still plays in proleague regularly lost to a guy whos pretty much an assistant coach who hasnt played a televised game since god knows when... damn, soo bonjwa
also sexy starcraft christmas song. AND A BRAND NEW SCV
since winners league of last season.
he isn't retired. in fact during his comeback as a playing coach he came up with a TvP build that directly counters the protoss counter to the flash build. what a genius
wait, there is a counter to flashbuild other than just playing better? what is that?
On December 01 2009 13:37 lone_hydra wrote: ??? Wut, you mean the guy who still plays in proleague regularly lost to a guy whos pretty much an assistant coach who hasnt played a televised game since god knows when... damn, soo bonjwa
also sexy starcraft christmas song. AND A BRAND NEW SCV
since winners league of last season.
he isn't retired. in fact during his comeback as a playing coach he came up with a TvP build that directly counters the protoss counter to the flash build. what a genius
wait, there is a counter to flashbuild other than just playing better? what is that?
ah ok so the armory that i read a few posts above doesn't exist and its a fast vessel build? Could work, but there are a lot of holes that can be exploited by mutalisks.
On December 01 2009 13:55 IPS.ZeRo wrote: ah ok so the armory that i read a few posts above doesn't exist and its a fast vessel build? Could work, but there are a lot of holes that can be exploited by mutalisks.
Yeah, I don't get ChRh's build either, it seems like he has lots of tech and turrets and fuck all for units. Don't think he ever moved out or put any pressure on Yellow, which is pretty much autolose vs zerg.
Pretty sure chrh was around when muta micro was well underway...either way he got the business. Yellows muta micro is looking respectable these days, also seen in his game vs boxer.
TvP is his strong matchup and i think it changed less than tvz from the time when he retired, so he might be a bit better. Reach still going to rape him though^^
On December 01 2009 13:58 HwangjaeTerran wrote: mmm they didn´t have mutamicro back then right?
yeah
What? Chrh didn't retire until 2008.
Yes, they had muta micro in 2008.
he wasn't really playing competitively in 2008 though >.> he played 7 games in 2008, and won 2
That wasn't the question. He was obviously exposed to modern muta micro, but yes, he's been retired for some time which answers questions as to his handling of the situation.
On December 01 2009 13:58 HwangjaeTerran wrote: mmm they didn´t have mutamicro back then right?
yeah
What? Chrh didn't retire until 2008.
Yes, they had muta micro in 2008.
he said "back then"
which was like, 2001
Did I miss part of the conversation? The time for "back then" was not specified as far as I saw, and the reasonable assumption was that "back then" referred to "back when Chrh" was a player, which was last year..
On December 01 2009 13:59 druj wrote: did not like his building placement that game, I'm wondering why he didn't put his stuff in the main.
because buildings were always placed there in the past
That still doesn't make sense to me, so for the sake of posterity and memory he just puts it there, where its more difficult to fend off against muta harass and easier to pick off units as they pop out? (Seeing how there's 3 spots, top right and bottom to harass from.)
Wait didn't reach lose to tossgirl? Chrh has a chance!
Not even Flash could win vs a competent Zerg who 2 hatches with that build. It simply doesn't work against 2 hatch at all and I have no idea why he did it.
Time to see the master beat down another obstacle. Wonder if he'll do Valkonic or if he has something new!
On December 01 2009 14:07 Ver wrote: Not even Flash could win vs a competent Zerg who 2 hatches with that build. It simply doesn't work against 2 hatch at all and I have no idea why he did it.
Time to see the master beat down another obstacle. Wonder if he'll do Valkonic or if he has something new!
yellow very commited to that attack, lots of zergling, not much economly. Oov knows whats up now, has quite a lot of marines. FOUND the eggs but gets sandwiched by lings, fuck
On December 01 2009 14:21 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Those marine/medic don't get sandwiched after spoting the lurker eggs I'd have been really curious to see if he could have held off the attack.
it was the same sexy surrounds yellow used against boxer, they didn't just "get" sandwiched
On December 01 2009 14:21 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Those marine/medic don't get sandwiched after spoting the lurker eggs I'd have been really curious to see if he could have held off the attack.
he definitely could've. It was really bad luck that all his marines in the bunkers decided to shoot different lurkers, which is why they were all red and yet nothing died. just that little help with those 4 medics should've been more than enough
On December 01 2009 14:21 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Those marine/medic don't get sandwiched after spoting the lurker eggs I'd have been really curious to see if he could have held off the attack.
I think he would have won. He had a shitload of mms, no way yellow was going to cross the bridge with 4 lurkers. There is actually quite some space to retreat and micro, too.
On December 01 2009 14:20 konadora wrote: man, i love how nostalgic this is, and not only that, the players are all happy, regardless of win or loss this is the true e-sports spirit.
I dunno about you, but Reach seemed pretty damn pissed to me when he lost to got destroyed by oov.
On December 01 2009 14:32 R04R wrote: UC Apps due in 2 Hours 30 Minutes, still need to write another essay, and I'm watching Starcraft. FUCK YEAH.
get on that, the server slows down like fuck, i did it last night and it sucked
I need to add like 100 BS words, but I'm horrible at BSing because I'm not that sort of person. I mean I guess I could just submit it right now, but then I wouldn't feel like I put forward my best effort. Dilemma.
On December 01 2009 14:32 R04R wrote: UC Apps due in 2 Hours 30 Minutes, still need to write another essay, and I'm watching Starcraft. FUCK YEAH.
get on that, the server slows down like fuck, i did it last night and it sucked
I need to add like 100 BS words, but I'm horrible at BSing because I'm not that sort of person. I mean I guess I could just submit it right now, but then I wouldn't feel like I put forward my best effort. Dilemma.
I just thought of an epic segway to include starcraft into my essay.
Aspiration = computer engineering Key factor in this choice = starcraft Exemplification = I'm watching Starcraft 2 hours before essay is due, and I eventually want to help program a game like that.
On December 01 2009 14:46 Sadness wrote: damn the skill gap is just insane and chrh is getting raped by yellow and reach imagine him facing jaedong T_T
On December 01 2009 14:46 Sadness wrote: damn the skill gap is just insane and chrh is getting raped by yellow and reach imagine him facing jaedong T_T
On December 01 2009 14:46 Sadness wrote: damn the skill gap is just insane and chrh is getting raped by yellow and reach imagine him facing jaedong T_T
lots of factories being build now, but i am afraid that reach is too well defended and the arbiter will cause a lot of trouble for oov. dropship moving again but cannons going down for reach
oov doing vulture raids but 4 cannons are just too much, didn't erally kill that many probes. Got an army out again, but reach probably has almost twice the supply
Somehow reach gets the losing end of that battle... but I think he will win the war, oov doesn't have the econ to keep this up unless he can hold a 4th
now reach realized that he might need some zealots in his army. Oov reacts fast and defends well, oh god if he can win this game,m that would be so incredible
uhm Oov was forced to lift 6 just from seeing that floating CC. Reach got some nice Stasis on the army of oov. man i can't believe oov is still in this game
oov can't just stay defensive at the top. he could have done that while he had the bottom expos, there is a lot more left at the bottom than at the top
his move for 12 really was a bad decision. should have been defensive to protect 6 and 4,5 while getting nukes to take out 12. oh fuck reach has a massive army
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