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d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
November 24 2009 12:43 GMT
#321
On November 24 2009 21:06 t_co wrote:
Mind wasnt even spreading his tanks, he was just pushmoving and expecting to win. He got arrogant in-game. (The nuke doesn't count because it surprisingly has a good use on this map).

Arrogance can be fatal late-game: just ask Savior after his MSL loss to FBH on Python.

Sidenote:
One thing I like about Flash is that he NEVER gets arrogant in-game, no matter how far he's ahead.


he matrixed an overlord as a ceremony once
manner
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
November 24 2009 12:50 GMT
#322
Flash was arrogant after his OSL/Gom Invi win. Even he admits it himself.
But lets be honest, all 4 Heavenly Kings were arrogant at one point of their career.
dats racist
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
November 24 2009 12:54 GMT
#323
Those who think using nuke is a sign of bm are simply ignorant. Especially on that map where the map editor should have put a label that reads "Beware of nuke, expand at your own risk" at that 7 o'clock base.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Pafnucy
Profile Joined October 2002
Poland1124 Posts
November 24 2009 13:00 GMT
#324
<quick glance on violet's tlpd page> hmmm, hes a lot better player now
Member of the "Fuck Yeah, Canata !" committee :-) to join copy/paste this
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8071 Posts
November 24 2009 13:07 GMT
#325
To be totally sure that he wasnt being cocky/BM is willing ignorance imo. Mind had the game sealed around the time he started killing his scanner to add the silo and could have just slow push sweeped around the bottom of the map killing both of the expos down there. It's not like that terrain isn't buildable... just build turrents, mine the shit out of everything and move your tanks. Plus at that point I think Mind had a vessel for every arb Violet had.

I honestly think Mind's reaction at the end of the game is pretty telling that he knew he had a huge advantage at one point. Either way BM or not he definitely got overconfident and blew his lead.
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
November 24 2009 13:21 GMT
#326
On November 24 2009 22:07 Vasoline73 wrote:
To be totally sure that he wasnt being cocky/BM is willing ignorance imo. Mind had the game sealed around the time he started killing his scanner to add the silo and could have just slow push sweeped around the bottom of the map killing both of the expos down there. It's not like that terrain isn't buildable... just build turrents, mine the shit out of everything and move your tanks. Plus at that point I think Mind had a vessel for every arb Violet had.

I honestly think Mind's reaction at the end of the game is pretty telling that he knew he had a huge advantage at one point. Either way BM or not he definitely got overconfident and blew his lead.

I don't think that's accurate. He was building a nuclear silo because it is actually extremely effective on this map. With it and an EMP, he singlehandedly knocked out that base. It wasn't BM.

Mind was ahead, but he was never that far ahead considering Violet was between 5-6 bases the entire second half of the game.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
November 24 2009 15:18 GMT
#327
Damn my new sleep schedule, I miss seeing these live...

Sounds like Flash won his TvT ezpz, and I'm thrilled to see that KT backhanded everyone who said KT is a one-man team by having Violet win the ace match.

Sounds like a lot of PvT imba complaining, and from the sounds of it, they're probably right...TvP is ridiculously hard for Terrans lately.

I doubt KT sent Violet out for PvT, though. They probably assumed Pure would be sent out, and sent Violet for his amazing PvP.

One more thing...Flash just needs 3 more TvT wins (or 2 if they're both against top-tier Terrans like Fantasy/Leta/Sea) to break 2300 ELO in TvT.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
November 24 2009 15:41 GMT
#328
Flash with 2354 ELO again, his peak before losing to Best! Hopefully he wins a couple more games against good players to oust Jaedong and Bisu as the highest elo.

His vT is obviously the best MU around right now, though.
Remember Violet.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-24 15:58:35
November 24 2009 15:58 GMT
#329
Is KT now the only team with 4 legitimate ace options, and one from each race?

(I guess ACE counts too, but no one but Ruby should ever be their ace now).
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
November 24 2009 16:10 GMT
#330
Violet for president!
Graphics
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
November 24 2009 16:11 GMT
#331
On November 25 2009 00:58 Nevuk wrote:
Is KT now the only team with 4 legitimate ace options, and one from each race?

(I guess ACE counts too, but no one but Ruby should ever be their ace now).

Flash, Violet, Luxury ... and?
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
November 24 2009 16:18 GMT
#332
On November 25 2009 01:11 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2009 00:58 Nevuk wrote:
Is KT now the only team with 4 legitimate ace options, and one from each race?

(I guess ACE counts too, but no one but Ruby should ever be their ace now).

Flash, Violet, Luxury ... and?


fOrGG
DeepGray
Profile Joined October 2008
United States214 Posts
November 24 2009 16:22 GMT
#333
On November 25 2009 01:11 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2009 00:58 Nevuk wrote:
Is KT now the only team with 4 legitimate ace options, and one from each race?

(I guess ACE counts too, but no one but Ruby should ever be their ace now).

Flash, Violet, Luxury ... and?

I want to say forGG but I won't and say...Tempest instead! >_>
imDerek
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1944 Posts
November 24 2009 16:24 GMT
#334
yeah flash and violet!
Least favorite progamers: Leta, Zero, Mind, Shine, free, really <-- newly added
Tribulation
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway86 Posts
November 24 2009 16:25 GMT
#335
What, no recommended games
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
November 24 2009 16:50 GMT
#336
On November 25 2009 01:25 Tribulation wrote:
What, no recommended games

Game 5 (ace) was good =) Spectacular comeback by Violet.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
November 24 2009 17:04 GMT
#337
On November 25 2009 01:11 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2009 00:58 Nevuk wrote:
Is KT now the only team with 4 legitimate ace options, and one from each race?

(I guess ACE counts too, but no one but Ruby should ever be their ace now).

Flash, Violet, Luxury ... and?


SKT1-> Best Fantasy Bisu and Hyuk vs. any zerg.

Khan used to have 4 legit aces, but now has 2. Mostly Stork, sometimes great.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-24 17:06:49
November 24 2009 17:04 GMT
#338
On November 25 2009 00:58 Nevuk wrote:
Is KT now the only team with 4 legitimate ace options, and one from each race?

(I guess ACE counts too, but no one but Ruby should ever be their ace now).


CJ kind of counts but, on paper atleast, their four man line up isn't as strong as KT's (Main ace, Flash is better than effort, Secondary, Lux is better than Skyhigh, and tertiary, Movie and Violet are close but I think Violet has become more consistent. Racewise Flash>Skyhigh, Effort>Lux, and Violet > or = Movie).

STX has Calm/Kal/Hwasin/By.Hero.

I want to say SKT, but I honestly don't think Hyuk is ace material.
Remember Violet.
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
November 24 2009 17:06 GMT
#339
I have to say, it is pretty disheartening to see a game like this (and SKT v. ACE spoilers + Show Spoiler +
Best vs. Darkelf in ACE
) from a T perspective. It's ridiculous how many armies toss can toss away once he gets up to 5-6 bases. I think terrans have to change the meta game and become more aggressive. Slow pushes just ain't working anymore.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
November 24 2009 17:08 GMT
#340
When your only viable unit vs Dragoons is siege tanks, you can't help but slow push. :>

I mean that's like saying Zerg shouldn't flank T armies anymore if TvZ suddenly became more statistically disparaged (Which it was the worst Matchup balance wise for years. Good ol T Bonjwas).
Remember Violet.
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