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On November 24 2009 21:06 t_co wrote:
Mind wasnt even spreading his tanks, he was just pushmoving and expecting to win. He got arrogant in-game. (The nuke doesn't count because it surprisingly has a good use on this map).
Arrogance can be fatal late-game: just ask Savior after his MSL loss to FBH on Python.
Sidenote:
One thing I like about Flash is that he NEVER gets arrogant in-game, no matter how far he's ahead.
he matrixed an overlord as a ceremony once
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MrHoon
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Flash was arrogant after his OSL/Gom Invi win. Even he admits it himself.
But lets be honest, all 4 Heavenly Kings were arrogant at one point of their career.
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Those who think using nuke is a sign of bm are simply ignorant. Especially on that map where the map editor should have put a label that reads "Beware of nuke, expand at your own risk" at that 7 o'clock base.
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<quick glance on violet's tlpd page> hmmm, hes a lot better player now
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To be totally sure that he wasnt being cocky/BM is willing ignorance imo. Mind had the game sealed around the time he started killing his scanner to add the silo and could have just slow push sweeped around the bottom of the map killing both of the expos down there. It's not like that terrain isn't buildable... just build turrents, mine the shit out of everything and move your tanks. Plus at that point I think Mind had a vessel for every arb Violet had.
I honestly think Mind's reaction at the end of the game is pretty telling that he knew he had a huge advantage at one point. Either way BM or not he definitely got overconfident and blew his lead.
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On November 24 2009 22:07 Vasoline73 wrote:
To be totally sure that he wasnt being cocky/BM is willing ignorance imo. Mind had the game sealed around the time he started killing his scanner to add the silo and could have just slow push sweeped around the bottom of the map killing both of the expos down there. It's not like that terrain isn't buildable... just build turrents, mine the shit out of everything and move your tanks. Plus at that point I think Mind had a vessel for every arb Violet had.
I honestly think Mind's reaction at the end of the game is pretty telling that he knew he had a huge advantage at one point. Either way BM or not he definitely got overconfident and blew his lead.
I don't think that's accurate. He was building a nuclear silo because it is actually extremely effective on this map. With it and an EMP, he singlehandedly knocked out that base. It wasn't BM.
Mind was ahead, but he was never that far ahead considering Violet was between 5-6 bases the entire second half of the game.
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Damn my new sleep schedule, I miss seeing these live...
Sounds like Flash won his TvT ezpz, and I'm thrilled to see that KT backhanded everyone who said KT is a one-man team by having Violet win the ace match.
Sounds like a lot of PvT imba complaining, and from the sounds of it, they're probably right...TvP is ridiculously hard for Terrans lately.
I doubt KT sent Violet out for PvT, though. They probably assumed Pure would be sent out, and sent Violet for his amazing PvP.
One more thing...Flash just needs 3 more TvT wins (or 2 if they're both against top-tier Terrans like Fantasy/Leta/Sea) to break 2300 ELO in TvT.
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Flash with 2354 ELO again, his peak before losing to Best! Hopefully he wins a couple more games against good players to oust Jaedong and Bisu as the highest elo.
His vT is obviously the best MU around right now, though.
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Is KT now the only team with 4 legitimate ace options, and one from each race?
(I guess ACE counts too, but no one but Ruby should ever be their ace now).
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
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On November 25 2009 00:58 Nevuk wrote:
Is KT now the only team with 4 legitimate ace options, and one from each race?
(I guess ACE counts too, but no one but Ruby should ever be their ace now).
Flash, Violet, Luxury ... and?
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On November 25 2009 01:11 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2009 00:58 Nevuk wrote:
Is KT now the only team with 4 legitimate ace options, and one from each race?
(I guess ACE counts too, but no one but Ruby should ever be their ace now). Flash, Violet, Luxury ... and?
fOrGG
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On November 25 2009 01:11 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2009 00:58 Nevuk wrote:
Is KT now the only team with 4 legitimate ace options, and one from each race?
(I guess ACE counts too, but no one but Ruby should ever be their ace now). Flash, Violet, Luxury ... and?
I want to say forGG but I won't and say...Tempest instead! >_>
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What, no recommended games 
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On November 25 2009 01:25 Tribulation wrote:What, no recommended games
Game 5 (ace) was good =) Spectacular comeback by Violet.
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On November 25 2009 01:11 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2009 00:58 Nevuk wrote:
Is KT now the only team with 4 legitimate ace options, and one from each race?
(I guess ACE counts too, but no one but Ruby should ever be their ace now). Flash, Violet, Luxury ... and?
SKT1-> Best Fantasy Bisu and Hyuk vs. any zerg.
Khan used to have 4 legit aces, but now has 2. Mostly Stork, sometimes great.
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On November 25 2009 00:58 Nevuk wrote:
Is KT now the only team with 4 legitimate ace options, and one from each race?
(I guess ACE counts too, but no one but Ruby should ever be their ace now).
CJ kind of counts but, on paper atleast, their four man line up isn't as strong as KT's (Main ace, Flash is better than effort, Secondary, Lux is better than Skyhigh, and tertiary, Movie and Violet are close but I think Violet has become more consistent. Racewise Flash>Skyhigh, Effort>Lux, and Violet > or = Movie).
STX has Calm/Kal/Hwasin/By.Hero.
I want to say SKT, but I honestly don't think Hyuk is ace material.
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I have to say, it is pretty disheartening to see a game like this (and SKT v. ACE spoilers + Show Spoiler +) from a T perspective. It's ridiculous how many armies toss can toss away once he gets up to 5-6 bases. I think terrans have to change the meta game and become more aggressive. Slow pushes just ain't working anymore.
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When your only viable unit vs Dragoons is siege tanks, you can't help but slow push. :>
I mean that's like saying Zerg shouldn't flank T armies anymore if TvZ suddenly became more statistically disparaged (Which it was the worst Matchup balance wise for years. Good ol T Bonjwas).
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