EPT[SPL] KT Rolster vs WeMade FOX - Page 18
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On November 25 2009 02:04 TwoToneTerran wrote: CJ kind of counts but, on paper atleast, their four man line up isn't as strong as KT's (Main ace, Flash is better than effort, Secondary, Lux is better than Skyhigh, and tertiary, Movie and Violet are close but I think Violet has become more consistent. Racewise Flash>Skyhigh, Effort>Lux, and Violet > or = Movie). STX has Calm/Kal/Hwasin/By.Hero. I want to say SKT, but I honestly don't think Hyuk is ace material. I don't know, I'd rate Effort/Flash the same as Movie/Violet. It's damn close, but Flash has the tiny edge. | ||
Jonvvv
Norway1530 Posts
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
and of course flash is the master | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Violet was never really that far behind. Mind never had more than 3 mining bases, while Violet always had 4-5, normally having 5. Mind got way too aggressive with his final push and let all his tanks get stasised when he should probably have just defended his 4th, which shortly after died to a control group of goons and an archon. Also, Violet almost never suicided his entire army, he just continually chipped away at the pushes while consistently making reinforcements. When he attacked right before the massive stasises, you could see on the minimap that it was only like 1/3 of his army, maybe even less. After Mind killed this, he unsieged, moved forward all clumptacularly, and got rolled by the waiting 100 supply of toss units and 3 stasis/massive storms. edit : And Movie/Violet isn't really comparable. Violet has amazing PvP and very good PvZ, slightly above average PvT (which I actually think has gotten better recently, but not enough results to say yet - beating Skyhigh and Mind is pretty impressive though). while Movie has a very good PvZ and an average pvt. His PvP is way worse than Violet's weak matchup, and his pvz the only matchup he could be considered better at... the reason it isn't possible to compare them fairly though, is because it would be like comparing Sea to Hwasin . | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On November 25 2009 03:24 SuperArc wrote: I don't know, I'd rate Effort/Flash the same as Movie/Violet. It's damn close, but Flash has the tiny edge. Flash has beaten Effort the past 3 times they met this year, 2 times being a clinic on how to crush good zergs, and the other being an unassuming and kind of sad cheese. Going back before Effort was amazing, Flash has a crushing 6-1 record over him. Head to head, Flash is the CLEAR favorite, by a large margin. In the grand scheme of things as an ace/player overall, it might be closer given zerg maps etc, considering their current PL record for R1 is similar, with Flash being a bit ahead. On November 25 2009 04:28 Nevuk wrote: edit : And Movie/Violet isn't really comparable. Violet has amazing PvP and very good PvZ, slightly above average PvT (which I actually think has gotten better recently, but not enough results to say yet - beating Skyhigh and Mind is pretty impressive though). while Movie has a very good PvZ and an average pvt. His PvP is way worse than Violet's weak matchup, and his pvz the only matchup he could be considered better at... the reason it isn't possible to compare them fairly though, is because it would be like comparing Sea to Hwasin . Sea is a much better player than Hwasin (nothing against Hwasin, Sea's only problem is he chokes in leagues). I just think both Movie and Violet have shown massive talent (so much so that I think the 6 dragons club needs some rearranging, honestly), but it's too early for us to say who's better. They both JUST recently started to come out of their shells in the 4th/5th round of last proleague. Violet seems to perform better in PL while Movie makes big splashes in SLs (heh sea vs hwasin analogy), so it's too early to say much. I don't think it's a big leap to assume the differences of Flash and Luxury, two very tried and tested players, to anyone else, though. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On November 25 2009 03:24 SuperArc wrote: I don't know, I'd rate Effort/Flash the same as Movie/Violet. It's damn close, but Flash has the tiny edge. Tiny edge? I love Effort, I really do...but the way Flash is playing TvZ right now lends to more than just a "tiny edge" | ||
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Tyxiquale
Australia424 Posts
KT and Violet expected a non-terran Fox and Mind expected a non-flash To put it simply, the wemade coaches out-thought the KT coaches, and yet violet still managed to pull the win. I think that is commendable at the very least. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On November 24 2009 22:07 Vasoline73 wrote: To be totally sure that he wasnt being cocky/BM is willing ignorance imo. Mind had the game sealed around the time he started killing his scanner to add the silo and could have just slow push sweeped around the bottom of the map killing both of the expos down there. It's not like that terrain isn't buildable... just build turrents, mine the shit out of everything and move your tanks. Plus at that point I think Mind had a vessel for every arb Violet had. I honestly think Mind's reaction at the end of the game is pretty telling that he knew he had a huge advantage at one point. Either way BM or not he definitely got overconfident and blew his lead. this would have been a good post if it didn't include 'BM' seriously, the term 'BM' is being misused | ||
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Vasoline73
United States8196 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17864 Posts
On November 25 2009 02:04 TwoToneTerran wrote: STX has Calm/Kal/Hwasin/By.Hero. Don't forget about Modesty and July. STX Z lineup is pretty damn solid. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
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Lebesgue
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
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anch
United States5457 Posts
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nozaro33
Taiwan1819 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
wtf? | ||
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
and im going, how the fuck did violet win (or mind lose) this? | ||
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
that 1 battle such sexy stasis great storms | ||
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