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Pioneer
Profile Joined December 2008
994 Posts
November 10 2009 18:30 GMT
#241
Jaedong played a little sloppy but Saint is not even close to the worse player Jaedong has lost to in recent times. You freak out less about Jaedong 'slumping' when he loses to Orion but go overboard when he loses to a guy that has in the past totally crushed big names?

Idiots.
p53
Profile Joined September 2009
297 Posts
November 10 2009 18:42 GMT
#242
LOLLLLLLLLLL SAINT
zazen
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Brazil695 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-10 19:33:42
November 10 2009 19:30 GMT
#243
Talk all you want about JD slumping or what not - My opinion is simply that Coach Cho has been doing a very bad job at running a team that was fine just a couple of months ago. They went through a crushing final against SKT, huge Jaedong drama, and apparently something changed at Hwaseung house. Now everything seems to be going downhill...

They looked god damn strong last season. But look at their players now. Hiya, BackHo and Lomo are currently underperforming. The second most active player, with 9 games played (while JD has 10 games played) and most used ace player, Killer, have always been, and will always be, very bad. I'm not even going to start on PerfectMan and ggaemo.

I'm not a huge fan of MBC (of course, except Sea, who is a true baller) and I'm sad to see things going really wrong for Oz...
"The quest for nexus has brought many men of genius to insanity... HUEHUEHUE!"
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
November 10 2009 19:32 GMT
#244
..Saint beat Jaedong?
...good god what happened to JvZ?
cw)minsean(ru
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
November 10 2009 19:37 GMT
#245
On November 11 2009 04:32 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
..Saint beat Jaedong?
...good god what happened to JvZ?


J v Z is still around. But it is known as H vs Z.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
November 10 2009 19:38 GMT
#246
On November 11 2009 01:54 vaMpYr wrote:
jaedong lost a game , everyone on TL are like little childs .

when bisu lost vs a foreigner ( LOL )
when effort lost vs a foreiger ( RE RE LOL )

why we dont talk about bisu or effort slump ?


Bisu and Effort lost in IEF. they both pretty much admitted to not caring at all and not practicing for those matches because they DIDNT MATTER. Jaedong is dropping games disturbingly often in proleague, which should be his ONLY focus at this point since he doesnt play an individual league game in quite some time.
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
November 10 2009 19:44 GMT
#247
On November 11 2009 04:38 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2009 01:54 vaMpYr wrote:
jaedong lost a game , everyone on TL are like little childs .

when bisu lost vs a foreigner ( LOL )
when effort lost vs a foreiger ( RE RE LOL )

why we dont talk about bisu or effort slump ?


Bisu and Effort lost in IEF. they both pretty much admitted to not caring at all and not practicing for those matches because they DIDNT MATTER. Jaedong is dropping games disturbingly often in proleague, which should be his ONLY focus at this point since he doesnt play an individual league game in quite some time.

agreed. For a looong time Jaedong's ZvZ has been his marquee matchup. (well.. next to his ZvT)
Having statistically the best ZvZ in the world as well as a crazy rec vs zerg it is a little worrying when he starts dropping games to 815, Hyuk, Orion, and.. Saint..

Just me but Jaedong's play as of late has been a little sub - Jaedongesque
Even that last ACE match win vs Miracle was a little sloppy imo
cw)minsean(ru
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
November 10 2009 19:47 GMT
#248
On November 11 2009 04:44 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2009 04:38 Chen wrote:
On November 11 2009 01:54 vaMpYr wrote:
jaedong lost a game , everyone on TL are like little childs .

when bisu lost vs a foreigner ( LOL )
when effort lost vs a foreiger ( RE RE LOL )

why we dont talk about bisu or effort slump ?


Bisu and Effort lost in IEF. they both pretty much admitted to not caring at all and not practicing for those matches because they DIDNT MATTER. Jaedong is dropping games disturbingly often in proleague, which should be his ONLY focus at this point since he doesnt play an individual league game in quite some time.

agreed. For a looong time Jaedong's ZvZ has been his marquee matchup. (well.. next to his ZvT)
Having statistically the best ZvZ in the world as well as a crazy rec vs zerg it is a little worrying when he starts dropping games to 815, Hyuk, Orion, and.. Saint..

Just me but Jaedong's play as of late has been a little sub - Jaedongesque
Even that last ACE match win vs Miracle was a little sloppy imo


sloppy...? JD raped, harassed and expoed against a successful 14cc terran.

A game cant be more dominating than JD vs Miracle.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
numLoCK
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1416 Posts
November 10 2009 19:50 GMT
#249
Oz as a whole is really disappointing lately, and JD is obviously not in top form. Maybe not necessarily a total slump, but he has definitely fallen back to earth a bit.
Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1655 Posts
November 10 2009 20:27 GMT
#250
I think that Jaedong has been the "bonjwa" of ZvZ for a while now, and like true bonjwas before him (Boxer, Nada, oov, Savior), his dominance has elevated the level of play of his contemporaries (in this case, other player's ZvZ). Jaedong has become a victim of the very matchup he revolutionized, as other Zergs have finally caught up to the micro and methods of engagement that for the longest time only Jaedong enjoyed.
Graphics
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
November 10 2009 20:29 GMT
#251
jaedong wtf?
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-10 21:04:32
November 10 2009 21:00 GMT
#252
On November 11 2009 04:30 zazen wrote:
They looked god damn strong last season. But look at their players now. Hiya, BackHo and Lomo are currently underperforming. The second most active player, with 9 games played (while JD has 10 games played) and most used ace player, Killer, have always been, and will always be, very bad. I'm not even going to start on PerfectMan and ggaemo.

I'm not a huge fan of MBC (of course, except Sea, who is a true baller) and I'm sad to see things going really wrong for Oz...

BackHo, HiyA, and Lomo are underperforming no doubt, but not nearly as much as your post seems to suggest. Fact is that BackHo, HiyA and Lomo, despite appearing in the vast majority of Oz's matches last season, were never great performers. In fact, not one of them had a winning record in the 08-09 PL:

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(forgive the tooltips)

These numbers tell the story of Oz's 08-09 season: BackHo, HiyA, and Lomo did just well enough to allow Oz to take matches to their 5sets, where Jaedong would take control. Nobody else made any impact (the concentration of appearances amongst these 4 players is just shocking). And, because Jaedong had an absurd winrate, Oz did well enough to snag a playoff seed.

With this understanding of Oz's 08-09 season, it's easy to see why anything short of godliness from JD would doom them to failure: they don't have any other players who can win consistently, and they didn't develop any new talent last season.
✌
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
November 10 2009 21:08 GMT
#253
YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
November 10 2009 21:09 GMT
#254
MBC!
what a breakdown JWD. but i dont think it was necessary.
JD always won. then hiya lomo backho scratched a win and JD took home the ace match
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
November 10 2009 21:39 GMT
#255
what worries me most is what Plexatide wrote in the recent Backseat Broodwar, watching all the teams being happy when one of their players win and watching Oz guys being totally dead even if they win, something is very wrong at the hwaseung house ;<
Jaedong! <> Team MVP <> Mouz.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
November 10 2009 21:54 GMT
#256
On November 11 2009 06:39 pripple wrote:
what worries me most is what Plexatide wrote in the recent Backseat Broodwar, watching all the teams being happy when one of their players win and watching Oz guys being totally dead even if they win, something is very wrong at the hwaseung house ;<


Yeah, I just rewatched JD vs Miracle, Oz sure didnt look like a team who has just won an important match.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
November 10 2009 22:16 GMT
#257
Wow, Jaedong lost to Saint... This only makes his prior dominance of the MU even more astounding, to think that Jaedong could dominate a mu where a player like Jaedong could lose to Saint is the most impressive feat in the history of starcraft. <3 LJD
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
November 10 2009 22:27 GMT
#258
On November 11 2009 07:16 n.DieJokes wrote:
Wow, Jaedong lost to Saint... This only makes his prior dominance of the MU even more astounding, to think that Jaedong could dominate a mu where a player like Jaedong could lose to Saint is the most impressive feat in the history of starcraft. <3 LJD

Wow. This is just embarrassing man. Even in defeat the fanboyism doesn't go away.
Marines > everything
Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
November 10 2009 22:33 GMT
#259
u guys think this has anything to do with the lasic surgery Jaedong jus had? did SKT1 paid Jaedongs doctor to mess him up!?!

CONSPIRACY I SAY!!!
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
November 10 2009 22:40 GMT
#260
On November 11 2009 07:27 vnlegend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2009 07:16 n.DieJokes wrote:
Wow, Jaedong lost to Saint... This only makes his prior dominance of the MU even more astounding, to think that Jaedong could dominate a mu where a player like Jaedong could lose to Saint is the most impressive feat in the history of starcraft. <3 LJD

Wow. This is just embarrassing man. Even in defeat the fanboyism doesn't go away.

Its the difference between a fanboy and a true fan
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
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