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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On November 10 2009 22:44 vaMpYr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2009 22:41 SuperArc wrote:On November 10 2009 22:37 vaMpYr wrote:On November 10 2009 22:25 Musoeun wrote:
No one's going to believe me if I say I always have said JD's ling micro is the most vulnerable part of his game... but it's true. Dating back at least to WL playoffs when he got out-linged by HoeJJa and ...somebody else the next match. Though he won those games, due to HoeJJa's decision making sucking and just playing better against the other guy.
(Doesn't necessarily make me right, either - but this game makes me feel vindicated.) you're right , no one's going to believe you . because you are saying really pathetic shit . jaedong has the best ling micro in the world , and from far . how ca Effort's and maybe even savior's ling micro are better or at least on par with JD's. ok .. i think you can killyourself now . if effort and savior have better micro than jaedong in ANY units , im a son of bitch .
Seriously dude? Not again man, not again.
I'm not so sure about  sAviOr, but looking at recent games and performances it is more than plausible to suggest that EffOrt has ling micro equal to Jaedong's. Dismissing this argument is such a blunt and unsubstantiated way is unhelpful, it's impossible to really say whose ling micro is better, so we make subjective judgments based on their performances.
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On November 11 2009 00:25 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 00:19 lone_hydra wrote:On November 11 2009 00:15 raga4ka wrote:
Well JD doesn't have invincible ZvZ anymore , seems like he plays 1 good game ( againts great) and then 1 inferior game against Saint . It's tough say where his level of ZvZ is right now with no other good zergs actually dominating in this MU right now . He's just become more inconsistent in this MU like all other top zergs have for some unknown reason ..... Unknown reason? It's Z vs Z, What's really unknown is how he even managed to dominate Z v Z for a while. Ironically, it was JD himself who made apparent that today's level of ZvZ play was possible—in a way inviting other Zergs to focus on the matchup more and eventually (indirectly) restoring parity.
On November 11 2009 00:25 JWD wrote:
I'm getting pretty tired of the same old "Flash is really good, he just loses all of his games" line.
Wow, by being 4-6 in his past 10 ZvZs JD has actually been saving star craft as we know it. Good to know.
+ Show Spoiler +I am a huge JD fan, and I don't think he's slumping at all. I will just never forgive JWD for dropping Flash from the PR.
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If JD does not improve, there is no way he should be in the top 3 in this month's PR considering there are people winning a lot more games than him.
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Just to put this in perspective...
Last 10 ZvZ's (using TLPD)
Luxury: 7-3
Hyuk: 7-3
Effort: 6-4
Jaedong: 5-5
Calm: 5-5
Zero: 4-6
Kwanro: 4-6
great: 4-6
Yarnc: 3-7
There's most of the top Zergs. JD is not sucking or slumping, it's just that the other Zergs have raised their level to his (and JD won 6 straight ZvZs prior to the last 10 anyway). JD couldn't stay far ahead of everyone else forever. As you can see NOBODY is dominating ZvZ now (well Hyuk is on a 7 game win streak so maybe Hyuk is next ZvZ bonjwa lol).
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On November 11 2009 00:49 Orbifold wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 00:25 JWD wrote:On November 11 2009 00:19 lone_hydra wrote:On November 11 2009 00:15 raga4ka wrote:
Well JD doesn't have invincible ZvZ anymore , seems like he plays 1 good game ( againts great) and then 1 inferior game against Saint . It's tough say where his level of ZvZ is right now with no other good zergs actually dominating in this MU right now . He's just become more inconsistent in this MU like all other top zergs have for some unknown reason ..... Unknown reason? It's Z vs Z, What's really unknown is how he even managed to dominate Z v Z for a while. Ironically, it was JD himself who made apparent that today's level of ZvZ play was possible—in a way inviting other Zergs to focus on the matchup more and eventually (indirectly) restoring parity. Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 00:25 JWD wrote:
I'm getting pretty tired of the same old "Flash is really good, he just loses all of his games" line.
Wow, by being 4-6 in his past 10 ZvZs JD has actually been saving star craft as we know it. Good to know. + Show Spoiler +I am a huge JD fan, and I don't think he's slumping at all. I will just never forgive JWD for dropping Flash from the PR.
I don't see how those two quotes are in conflict whatsoever. I was not making a statement about JD's recent performance (but I was about Flash's). And besides, JD has had a bad month coming off of an OSL Championship, while at the time when I wrote that about Flash he had just finished dropping out of the OSL and MSL before the semis for a fourth? consecutive season.
Also are you really trying to get into an argument over JD's impact on ZvZ? Really?
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On November 11 2009 00:12 RamenStyle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2009 22:48 JWD wrote:This thread shouldn't be about Jaedong. If anyone else on Hwaseung could win, we wouldn't even notice that JD was dropping games here and there. Fact is that the rest of Oz's lineup has been so pathetic this year that every Jaedong loss is catastrophic. Only 4 players have more wins than Jaedong this season, and at 6-4 he's still 12th in the league in win differential. The guy has produced almost as well as other teams' aces. The difference between Hwaseung and the rest of the league is not JD sucking, it's the rest of their lineup. PerfectMan and BackHo 1-7? Oz is fighting from an 0-1 hole in every match because they have no Protoss player. And let's not even talk about how awful killer has been—Coach Cho is stupid for relying on him so much. You can't make another Jaedong just by taking a Zerg and playing him in ace games. Actually I am enjoying watching Hwaseung self-destruct this season because it's about time they paid the price for only relying on and only developing Jaedong for almost two seasons of PL. I mean, for nearly all of the 08-09 PL season Hwaseung's strategy was to play JD, BackHo, Lomo, and HiyA in almost every match, and hope to get to the ace game (as kona pointed out below). We didn't even know more than four players on their team (ggaemo, killer, PerfectMan only saw play towards the very end of the season)! Smarter coaches on smarter teams recognize that a healthy PL team means giving other players a shot at the big stage (lineup appearances, ace games) every once in a while so that when their star does start to tire, they can still make a respectable showing. Oz's coach is desperately trying to turn killer into another ace option overnight, but BW just doesn't work that way. Thank you. I was starting to believe I was alone in all this.
This post makes up for watching some of retarded JD posts. (Specifically, that son of a bitch.)
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someone already said that, to JD, no being overworked is bad. He is a practicing machine, being left to scrubs only harm him
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AaAaAll the speculationsSss..
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On November 11 2009 00:54 lone_hydra wrote:
If JD does not improve, there is no way he should be in the top 3 in this month's PR considering there are people winning a lot more games than him.
You mean top 10?
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On November 11 2009 01:22 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 00:49 Orbifold wrote:On November 11 2009 00:25 JWD wrote:On November 11 2009 00:19 lone_hydra wrote:On November 11 2009 00:15 raga4ka wrote:
Well JD doesn't have invincible ZvZ anymore , seems like he plays 1 good game ( againts great) and then 1 inferior game against Saint . It's tough say where his level of ZvZ is right now with no other good zergs actually dominating in this MU right now . He's just become more inconsistent in this MU like all other top zergs have for some unknown reason ..... Unknown reason? It's Z vs Z, What's really unknown is how he even managed to dominate Z v Z for a while. Ironically, it was JD himself who made apparent that today's level of ZvZ play was possible—in a way inviting other Zergs to focus on the matchup more and eventually (indirectly) restoring parity. On November 11 2009 00:25 JWD wrote:
I'm getting pretty tired of the same old "Flash is really good, he just loses all of his games" line.
Wow, by being 4-6 in his past 10 ZvZs JD has actually been saving star craft as we know it. Good to know. + Show Spoiler +I am a huge JD fan, and I don't think he's slumping at all. I will just never forgive JWD for dropping Flash from the PR. I don't see how those two quotes are in conflict whatsoever. I was not making a statement about JD's recent performance (but I was about Flash's). And besides, JD has had a bad month coming off of an OSL Championship, while at the time when I wrote that about Flash he had just finished dropping out of the OSL and MSL before the semis for a fourth? consecutive season. Also are you really trying to get into an argument over JD's impact on ZvZ? Really?
I'm just juxtaposing two points of view:
I'm getting pretty tired of the same old "Flash is really good, he just loses all of his games" line.
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Jaedong's losing is just a symptom of how awesome he is.
Take from it what you will.
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jaedong lost a game , everyone on TL are like little childs .
when bisu lost vs a foreigner ( LOL )
when effort lost vs a foreiger ( RE RE LOL )
why we dont talk about bisu or effort slump ?
if jaedong does not win 100% of his games , he is slumping ?
saint played really really well . saint has always been a good Z .
its zvz , its hard and hard .
jaedong is not GOD , he cant win EVERYTHING . 80% in zvz is already some surnatural fantastic inhuman thing , what do you want more ?
you can love JD , you can hate JD , but you MUST see he is in the super top .
i hate bisu and effort , i can see easy they are at the top and the super top for bisu .
rewatch the game , count the lings , saint had MORE lings , jaedong did NOT bad micro . he just got killed by some very good timing of saint .
jaedong is slumping ? go watch jaedong vs miracle and tell me he is slumping .
and you talk about effort ?
effort lost great , and saint is better in zvz than great for sure .
effort lost hyuk .
effort is not a micro player . he is a management Z , like savior .
jaedong is a SUPER ULTRA micro player . like NO ONE .
micro players are bisu , boxer , reach , leta , hawsin .
so saying effort micro > JD micro is just the BIGGEST SHIT ever said in SC history .
there are micro players and there are macro and management players .
jaedong is a micro player , effort is not . is that so hard to understand ?
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Man, Jaedong, you're losing in ways that you never should these days.
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effort lost great , and saint is better in zvz than great for sure .
effort lost hyuk .
jaedong lost to a kid wearing a cancer beanie..whats your point?
and just because someone is a macro-management type player means they have no ability to macro right?
awesome logic
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JD will bounce back. Just a matter of time and I'm not even a huge JD fan. Pretty fun to watch Oz fans panic though 
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OZ, you are KILLING my fantasy team!!! Plz stop!!!!
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i really wanna see how JD performs in the other MUs. looks like its never gonna happen this season aside from aces. bah
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On November 11 2009 01:54 vaMpYr wrote:
jaedong lost a game , everyone on TL are like little childs .
when bisu lost vs a foreigner ( LOL )
when effort lost vs a foreiger ( RE RE LOL )
why we dont talk about bisu or effort slump ?
if jaedong does not win 100% of his games , he is slumping ?
saint played really really well . saint has always been a good Z .
its zvz , its hard and hard .
jaedong is not GOD , he cant win EVERYTHING . 80% in zvz is already some surnatural fantastic inhuman thing , what do you want more ?
you can love JD , you can hate JD , but you MUST see he is in the super top .
i hate bisu and effort , i can see easy they are at the top and the super top for bisu .
rewatch the game , count the lings , saint had MORE lings , jaedong did NOT bad micro . he just got killed by some very good timing of saint .
jaedong is slumping ? go watch jaedong vs miracle and tell me he is slumping .
and you talk about effort ?
effort lost great , and saint is better in zvz than great for sure .
effort lost hyuk .
effort is not a micro player . he is a management Z , like savior .
jaedong is a SUPER ULTRA micro player . like NO ONE .
micro players are bisu , boxer , reach , leta , hawsin .
so saying effort micro > JD micro is just the BIGGEST SHIT ever said in SC history .
there are micro players and there are macro and management players .
jaedong is a micro player , effort is not . is that so hard to understand ?
THIS!
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On November 11 2009 03:00 Art.FeeL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 01:54 vaMpYr wrote:
jaedong lost a game , everyone on TL are like little childs .
when bisu lost vs a foreigner ( LOL )
when effort lost vs a foreiger ( RE RE LOL )
why we dont talk about bisu or effort slump ?
if jaedong does not win 100% of his games , he is slumping ?
saint played really really well . saint has always been a good Z .
its zvz , its hard and hard .
jaedong is not GOD , he cant win EVERYTHING . 80% in zvz is already some surnatural fantastic inhuman thing , what do you want more ?
you can love JD , you can hate JD , but you MUST see he is in the super top .
i hate bisu and effort , i can see easy they are at the top and the super top for bisu .
rewatch the game , count the lings , saint had MORE lings , jaedong did NOT bad micro . he just got killed by some very good timing of saint .
jaedong is slumping ? go watch jaedong vs miracle and tell me he is slumping .
and you talk about effort ?
effort lost great , and saint is better in zvz than great for sure .
effort lost hyuk .
effort is not a micro player . he is a management Z , like savior .
jaedong is a SUPER ULTRA micro player . like NO ONE .
micro players are bisu , boxer , reach , leta , hawsin .
so saying effort micro > JD micro is just the BIGGEST SHIT ever said in SC history .
there are micro players and there are macro and management players .
jaedong is a micro player , effort is not . is that so hard to understand ?
THIS!
I second that emotion, this post was amazing in every way
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On November 10 2009 22:37 vaMpYr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2009 22:25 Musoeun wrote:
No one's going to believe me if I say I always have said JD's ling micro is the most vulnerable part of his game... but it's true. Dating back at least to WL playoffs when he got out-linged by HoeJJa and ...somebody else the next match. Though he won those games, due to HoeJJa's decision making sucking and just playing better against the other guy.
(Doesn't necessarily make me right, either - but this game makes me feel vindicated.) you're right , no one's going to believe you . because you are saying really pathetic shit . jaedong has the best ling micro in the world , and from far . how can you even believe that ? jaedong vs saint was intresting game . saint played really well . jaedong lost against some mass lings timing , saint has 8 or 10 gling more thant JD . jaedong played risky as always and try to find the good timing for mutas/ling vs masslings . saint played really really good , jaedong is NOT slumping or something . dont forget this is zvz , a VERY hard match up , and some "lucky" match up sometimes . jaedong cant win 100% of his zvz , its IMPOSSIBLE . and its getting more and more impossible nowadays . i never thought i can find someday someone who doubt about jaedong micro . this is LOL .
He is not even saying JD's link micro is bad.
Try again baguette 
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So did MBC play good or did Oz just suck?
I wana be happy that MBC won but only if they played well, haha.
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