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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On November 10 2009 22:37 vaMpYr wrote: you're right , no one's going to believe you . because you are saying really pathetic shit . jaedong has the best ling micro in the world , and from far . how ca Effort's and maybe even savior's ling micro are better or at least on par with JD's. | ||
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vaMpYr
France119 Posts
On November 10 2009 22:41 SuperArc wrote: Effort's and maybe even savior's ling micro are better or at least on par with JD's. ok .. i think you can killyourself now . if effort and savior have better micro than jaedong in ANY units , im a son of bitch . | ||
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
On November 10 2009 22:37 vaMpYr wrote: you're right , no one's going to believe you . because you are saying really pathetic shit . jaedong has the best ling micro in the world , and from far . how can you even believe that ? jaedong vs saint was intresting game . saint played really well . jaedong lost against some mass lings timing , saint has 8 or 10 gling more thant JD . jaedong played risky as always and try to find the good timing for mutas/ling vs masslings . saint played really really good , jaedong is NOT slumping or something . dont forget this is zvz , a VERY hard match up , and some "lucky" match up sometimes . jaedong cant win 100% of his zvz , its IMPOSSIBLE . and its getting more and more impossible nowadays . i never thought i can find someday someone who doubt about jaedong micro . this is LOL . i think this post is LOL On November 10 2009 22:44 vaMpYr wrote: ok .. i think you can killyourself now . if effort and savior have better micro than jaedong in ANY units , im a son of bitch . yes you are. taking out on other TL members much? | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
Only 4 players have more wins than Jaedong this season, and at 6-4 he's still 12th in the league in win differential. The guy has produced almost as well as other teams' aces. The difference between Hwaseung and the rest of the league is not JD sucking, it's the rest of their lineup. ![[image loading]](/staff/JWD/misc/ozsucks.jpg) PerfectMan and BackHo 1-7? Oz is fighting from an 0-1 hole in every match because they have no Protoss player. And let's not even talk about how awful killer has been—Coach Cho is stupid for relying on him so much. You can't make another Jaedong just by taking a Zerg and playing him in ace games. Actually I am enjoying watching Hwaseung self-destruct this season because it's about time they paid the price for only relying on and only developing Jaedong for almost two seasons of PL. I mean, for nearly all of the 08-09 PL season Hwaseung's strategy was to play JD, BackHo, Lomo, and HiyA in almost every match, and hope to get to the ace game (as kona pointed out below). We didn't even know more than four players on their team (ggaemo, killer, PerfectMan only saw play towards the very end of the season)! Smarter coaches on smarter teams recognize that a healthy PL team means giving other players a shot at the big stage (lineup appearances, ace games) every once in a while so that when their star does start to tire, they can still make a respectable showing. Oz's coach is desperately trying to turn killer into another ace option overnight, but BW just doesn't work that way. | ||
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
the entire oz lineup is really really pathetic. At least in 08-09, Lomo, BackHo or HiyA, either of those 3 would always at least win a game, Jaedong would win one, and Jaedong will eventually win the ace match. But now that none of those 3 are winning games, and Jaedong looking shaky recently... It's really impossible for Oz to win. On November 10 2009 22:48 JWD wrote: Actually I am enjoying watching Hwaseung self-destruct this season because it's about time they paid the price for only relying on and only developing Jaedong for almost two seasons of PL. Smarter coaches on smarter teams recognize that a healthy PL team means giving other players a shot at the big stage (lineup appearances, ace games) every once in a while so that when their star does start to tire, they can still make a respectable showing. Oz's coach is desperately trying to turn killer into another ace option overnight, but BW just doesn't work that way. a.k.a MBC and Sea <3 | ||
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cokencheese
Philippines748 Posts
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piratebay
United States399 Posts
it has finally caught up to him happened to savior, happened to nada, happened to everyone and now it is happening to jaedong. | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
On November 10 2009 22:37 vaMpYr wrote: you're right , no one's going to believe you . because you are saying really pathetic shit . jaedong has the best ling micro in the world , and from far . how can you even believe that ? jaedong vs saint was intresting game . saint played really well . jaedong lost against some mass lings timing , saint has 8 or 10 gling more thant JD . jaedong played risky as always and try to find the good timing for mutas/ling vs masslings . saint played really really good , jaedong is NOT slumping or something . dont forget this is zvz , a VERY hard match up , and some "lucky" match up sometimes . jaedong cant win 100% of his zvz , its IMPOSSIBLE . and its getting more and more impossible nowadays . i never thought i can find someday someone who doubt about jaedong micro . this is LOL . Thank you so much for making this post. | ||
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Necosarius
Sweden4042 Posts
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Wala.Revolution
7582 Posts
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tedster
984 Posts
ok .. i think you can killyourself now . if effort and savior have better micro than jaedong in ANY units , im a son of bitch . Well look at this son of a bitch right here (savior no, effort yes) | ||
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cunninglinguists
United States925 Posts
On November 10 2009 22:44 vaMpYr wrote: ok .. i think you can killyourself now . if effort and savior have better micro than jaedong in ANY units , im a son of bitch . relax kid. every time a top-tier player loses, people jump on the "aha! i was right this whole time" bandwagon and cite the loss as indicative somehow of a longstanding problem with their matchup. i hardly think that one game can be the end-all-be-all in starcraft skill evaluation seeing as how complex a game it can be. saint played pretty well. who's to say that the jaedong of old would have stopped him for sure? maybe if this happened months back when jvz was still a meme on TL, saint would still have won. upsets happen so stop using them as a justification of fatal errors in play. | ||
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druj
137 Posts
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
On November 10 2009 22:48 JWD wrote: This thread shouldn't be about Jaedong. If anyone else on Hwaseung could win, we wouldn't even notice that JD was dropping games here and there. Fact is that the rest of Oz's lineup has been so pathetic this year that every Jaedong loss is catastrophic. Only 4 players have more wins than Jaedong this season, and at 6-4 he's still 12th in the league in win differential. The guy has produced almost as well as other teams' aces. The difference between Hwaseung and the rest of the league is not JD sucking, it's the rest of their lineup. PerfectMan and BackHo 1-7? Oz is fighting from an 0-1 hole in every match because they have no Protoss player. And let's not even talk about how awful killer has been—Coach Cho is stupid for relying on him so much. You can't make another Jaedong just by taking a Zerg and playing him in ace games. Actually I am enjoying watching Hwaseung self-destruct this season because it's about time they paid the price for only relying on and only developing Jaedong for almost two seasons of PL. I mean, for nearly all of the 08-09 PL season Hwaseung's strategy was to play JD, BackHo, Lomo, and HiyA in almost every match, and hope to get to the ace game (as kona pointed out below). We didn't even know more than four players on their team (ggaemo, killer, PerfectMan only saw play towards the very end of the season)! Smarter coaches on smarter teams recognize that a healthy PL team means giving other players a shot at the big stage (lineup appearances, ace games) every once in a while so that when their star does start to tire, they can still make a respectable showing. Oz's coach is desperately trying to turn killer into another ace option overnight, but BW just doesn't work that way. Thank you. I was starting to believe I was alone in all this. | ||
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
On November 10 2009 23:19 Necosarius wrote: Why did I pick Jaedong over Flash in FPL? ._. Because at the time it was the most logical choice. JD was coming from a season where he seemed almost undestructible, and at the same prize you had 2 S-Class players only one of them was literally on fire. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On November 11 2009 00:15 raga4ka wrote: Well JD doesn't have invincible ZvZ anymore , seems like he plays 1 good game ( againts great) and then 1 inferior game against Saint . It's tough say where his level of ZvZ is right now with no other good zergs actually dominating in this MU right now . He's just become more inconsistent in this MU like all other top zergs have for some unknown reason ..... Unknown reason? It's Z vs Z, What's really unknown is how he even managed to dominate Z v Z for a while. | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On November 11 2009 00:19 lone_hydra wrote: Unknown reason? It's Z vs Z, What's really unknown is how he even managed to dominate Z v Z for a while. Exactly. What was anomalous was JD winning 80% in this matchup. Other Zergs rising to his level in ZvZ is a return to normalcy. Ironically, it was JD himself who made apparent that today's level of ZvZ play was possible—in a way inviting other Zergs to focus on the matchup more and eventually (indirectly) restoring parity. | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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