[SPL] SK Telecom T1 vs CJ Entus

On October 27 2009 21:06 Camlito wrote:
Also i searched imba in the thread you said ITW, and one of the searches was someone from zIMBAbwe.

On October 27 2009 21:01 Itachii wrote:
BeSt>Hydra
Hyuk<EffOrt
Bisu>Snow
fantasy<sKyHigh
Bisu<EffOrt

On October 27 2009 21:13 disciple wrote:

hahaha ^^

Btw Camlito, kOre and all others, sorry for taking the OP away from you

On October 27 2009 20:54 disciple wrote:
IntoTheWow: Well I don't see CJ losing, but even if it happened, we are not babies.bisufans on the other hand, we already saw what happened in the OSL qualy thread after Bisu lost. Click Me!-> Ctrl+F -> search for "imba". haha

On October 27 2009 21:20 konadora wrote:

If only....

On October 27 2009 21:29 Jackal03 wrote:
BeSt < Hydra (best is nowhere near what he used to be)

On October 27 2009 21:31 Black Gun wrote:


thats maybe true for his pvt and especially his pvp, but imho bests pvz has never been better before...

On October 27 2009 21:18 Camlito wrote:


Sigh.. i can't use my banners that i worked hard on now... what to do T_T.

On October 27 2009 21:55 disciple wrote:

Post them here and I will put them in the OP so people can OP while they OP

On October 27 2009 21:45 tree.hugger wrote:
Anyone picking Hyuk over EffOrt had their heads in the sand on Saturday's games. I saw Hyuk barely handed a win by an out-of-form Jaedong, and I saw EffOrt make Luxury - a player who hadn't lost in proleague, one of the best ZvZers in history when on-form - look absolutely ridiculous.

Hyuk is much improved this season, but EvZ is way more than he can handle.

(-_-)

On October 27 2009 21:45 tree.hugger wrote:
Anyone picking Hyuk over EffOrt had their heads in the sand on Saturday's games. I saw Hyuk barely handed a win by an out-of-form Jaedong, and I saw EffOrt make Luxury - a player who hadn't lost in proleague, one of the best ZvZers in history when on-form - look absolutely ridiculous.

Hyuk is much improved this season, but EvZ is way more than he can handle.

On October 27 2009 22:19 Plexa wrote:
I can't beleive people think Jaedong is out of form...

HE'S PLAYED 4 GAMES THIS MONTH -.-;

Yea he's gone 2-2, but one of those was a bo loss, then revenging that loss in the ace (vs zero) and the other is the hyuk loss. No need to start jumping up and down proclaiming the end.

On October 27 2009 22:22 Holgerius wrote:

Hey man, credit where credit's due: Hyuk beat Jaedong after pretty much mirror BO's (JD actually had an advantage since he went for expo and then lings whereas Hyuk did the opposite). Effort played amazingly against Lux, but he got a big fucking advantage because of his BO.

On October 27 2009 22:19 Plexa wrote:
I can't beleive people think Jaedong is out of form...

HE'S PLAYED 4 GAMES THIS MONTH -.-;

Yea he's gone 2-2, but one of those was a bo loss, then revenging that loss in the ace (vs zero) and the other is the hyuk loss. No need to start jumping up and down proclaiming the end.

On October 27 2009 22:25 motbob wrote:

Of course you know that after your article JD is gonna go into a slump and never recover. It's inevitable.

On October 27 2009 22:24 Itachii wrote:


Anyone who seriously predicts that Hyuk will beat Effort needs to watch this game first, then think again

I just hope that Effort keeps up his current form.

On October 27 2009 22:39 Holgerius wrote:

I have watched that game, and he got a big advantage by BO. He did play an awesome game after that though, and capitalized on his advantage perfectly. But Hyuk deserves some major fucking props for taking down Jaedong after actually being behind because of BO's, and counting preliminaries he's 13-2 in his last 15 ZvZ's. Effort is still favourite, but not by a lot.

On October 27 2009 22:39 Holgerius wrote:

I have watched that game, and he got a big advantage by BO. He did play an awesome game after that though, and capitalized on his advantage perfectly. But Hyuk deserves some major fucking props for taking down Jaedong after actually being behind because of BO's, and counting preliminaries he's 13-2 in his last 15 ZvZ's. Effort is still favourite, but not by a lot.

On October 27 2009 22:19 Plexa wrote:
I can't beleive people think Jaedong is out of form...

HE'S PLAYED 4 GAMES THIS MONTH -.-;

Yea he's gone 2-2, but one of those was a bo loss, then revenging that loss in the ace (vs zero) and the other is the hyuk loss. No need to start jumping up and down proclaiming the end.

On October 27 2009 23:33 fusionsdf wrote:
you people predicting hyuk over effort
did you even watch effort's last zvz?.

On October 27 2009 23:41 fanatacist wrote:

Did you watch Hyuk's last zvz?

On October 27 2009 23:42 fusionsdf wrote:


yeah

not on the same level
effort just fucking revolutionized zvz last game

On October 27 2009 23:42 fusionsdf wrote:


yeah

not on the same level
effort just fucking revolutionized zvz last game

On October 28 2009 00:04 Holgerius wrote:

Hyuk beat the best ZvZ player in the world with a slight BO disadvantage; he just plain outplayed Jaedong himself. If that doesn't impress you, then all I can say is; fanboy.

On October 28 2009 00:29 fusionsdf wrote:


there is a difference between outplaying jaedong in one game (ignoring the fact that effort did it in 3 straight) and changing the entire 1 hatch vs 2 hatch dynamic.

One is a good game, one might change the way zvz is played out in the future.

On October 28 2009 00:31 Holgerius wrote:

Hyuk has beaten Jaedong in the last 2 games they played. And what Effort did has been done before.

On October 28 2009 00:20 fanatacist wrote:

Explains a lot. I guess that's the side-effect of being miserable KHAN fan n_n;

On October 28 2009 00:57 InDaHouse wrote:


Yeah and OP has and always are a SKT fan and still he changes tag to Khan :S

On October 28 2009 00:43 fusionsdf wrote:


What hyuk has done (beat jaedong 2 games in a row) has also been done before.
By effort.

On October 28 2009 01:52 fusionsdf wrote:
hyuk wins 5 zvzs in a row, only one of them against a good zvz player and you guys are basically calling him zvz bonjwa

its more than a bit pathetic

On October 28 2009 01:09 RamenStyle wrote:
What's with our lineup?

Hydra? Snow? Where the hell is ThugToss?

On October 28 2009 01:52 ghostWriter wrote:
but hyuk over effort is not reasonable. hyuk may be better that he used to be but he's still only the 3rd wheel, while effort is the centerpiece of cj's lineup.

On October 28 2009 02:08 Holgerius wrote:
What I am saying is, it's not unreasonable to predict Hyuk over Effort. Effort is still the favourite, but ZvZ is a volatile match up, and Hyuk is currently kicking ass in it.

On October 28 2009 03:16 Doriath wrote:
Worst case, Hyuk and Fantasy both drop their games and it goes to ace match - CJ doesn't have anyone who can take down Bisu.

On October 28 2009 03:21 Holgerius wrote:
Considering the fact that Bisu recently lost a Bo3 against Shine, I don't think it's going to far to say that Effort at least stands a chance against him.

On October 28 2009 03:28 Itachii wrote:

I'd say hes the favourite in possible ace match between them, considering Bisu's recent performances versus zergs and the map that they will play on.But its Bisu afterall, so really anything could happen.
I just hope that this match actualy goes to ace, and that coaches won't mess arround with their picks in it.

BeSt>Hydra
Hyuk<EffOrt
Bisu>Snow
fantasy<sKyHigh
Bisu<EffOrt

On October 28 2009 03:41 Gonozal wrote:
if it comes to ace: Fantasy < Movie

On October 28 2009 04:10 On_Slaught wrote:
Oh, and anyone who thinks Bisu is a sure-win on Tornado is an idiot or fanboi. ESPECIALLY given that Effort is on CJ.

On October 28 2009 04:11 jalstar wrote:
just watch how good effort looked against luxury, then watch the sloppiness hyuk showed in beating jaedong.

On October 28 2009 04:11 jalstar wrote:
just watch how good effort looked against luxury, then watch the sloppiness hyuk showed in beating jaedong.

On October 28 2009 04:24 zazen wrote:
3-1 SKT with Hyuk dropping his game. Is it possible to beat JD and Effort in a row?

On October 28 2009 04:15 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

(P)BeSt < Outsider SE > (Z)Hydra
(Z)Hyuk < Moon Glaive > (Z)EffOrt
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)Snow
(T)fantasy < Fighting Spirit > (T)sKyHigh

no metter how you look at it~ it looks like a 3-1 win for CJ

However the wild card here is Hyuk. ( i never thought i would say this ) He DID take down jaedong last week, but Effort DID beat Luxury in an epic ZvZ. Must watch

BeST isn't what he used to . but hydra is a B level Zerg so we'll see
And Fantasy seems to be slipping a bit. Skyhigh is "sky - high" right now so i expect him to win it

all in all if Hyuk can win his game and bisu roll snow this should go to ace

BISU VS EFFORT PLEASE

On October 28 2009 04:31 On_Slaught wrote:


Getting knocked out of both starleagues makes you "sky-high?"

On October 28 2009 04:43 r33k wrote:
BeSt < Hydra
Hyuk < EffOrt
Bisu > Snow
fantasy < sKyHigh

Quite easy to predict imo, the only game i'm not sure about is BeSt vs Hydra, neither of these players is worthy of playing in PL, otherwise EffOrt is a beast and does NOT lose, Hyuk is known for losing focus over longer games hence he has good ZvZ (which he started showing just recently).

Snow is amazing, but whenever CJ sends him out you see him being crushed by the pressure, and Bisu is unable to lose a PvP to anyone but Stork (and possibly Tigertoss soon).

sKyHigh has the best TvT in the world and in his interviews pretty much showed that he's all about PL, i dare anyone to show me a game from Flash from last season which didn't start with Flash going factory>cc. sKyHigh's flexibility will easily crush fantasy's messy play whether he goes for Dropship harass or anything else, the only possible way to lose for sKyHigh would be 1-port wraiths vs 2-port wraiths BO loss.

Should this go to ace i have to predict Bisu>Movie, but it could very well be Hyuk<Movie aswell.

On October 28 2009 04:43 r33k wrote:
sKyHigh has the best TvT in the world

I dunno what CJ is thinking. I mean, if you want to give your noobs some experience, send them out against eSTRO KHAN.

On October 28 2009 04:54 vishrut wrote:
is there a reason that the big teams all play each other on the same day
by big teams i mean (skt, oz, cj, kt)

On October 28 2009 04:59 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

i cannot wait for SKT vs KT.

think of the possibilities

Bisu, Fantasy, Hyuk, BeST vs Luxury , Flash, ForGG, Violet

wow. my brain just exploded

omfg. Bisu vs Flash







OMFG FANTASY VS FLASH

On October 28 2009 05:06 disciple wrote:

its in 12 days

On October 28 2009 05:31 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

good sir you just rendered my underwear unusable

On October 28 2009 01:11 disciple wrote:

Just to make it clear once and for all, I'm not a fanatical fan of any pro team, I like many of them for different reasons. Above all else I'm a Bisu fan but as far as teams are involved, my list will be

1. ACE
2. SKT
3. KHAN
..
....

....
...
97. Oz

There are so many great personalities in the different teams its really hard to pick one as a constant favorite. I feel great sympathy for KHAN at the moment cause they are doing really bad and I wish they get back to their glorious days.

On October 28 2009 05:40 disciple wrote:

I wont be able to make a fancy OP for the occasion thou.

On October 28 2009 04:59 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

i cannot wait for SKT vs KT.

think of the possibilities

Bisu, Fantasy, Hyuk, BeST vs Luxury , Flash, ForGG, Violet

wow. my brain just exploded

omfg. Bisu vs Flash







OMFG FANTASY VS FLASH

On October 28 2009 05:50 SuperArc wrote:


I agree Bisu vs Flash would be so awesome.

But whats exciting about fantasy vs Flash?

On October 28 2009 05:53 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Who has the better TvT?

On October 28 2009 05:25 nayumi wrote:
Yeap, I think SKT will send out a T for ace match if anything. Fantasy is obviously the first choice, but then I'm hoping for someone else (we all are): BOXERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

nah not gonna happen ...

On October 28 2009 05:41 InDaHouse wrote:

Stork is Khan and u can't like both Bisu and Stork, and u were a part of the silver-mining industry bandwagon.

On October 28 2009 07:02 Roffles wrote:
Because Hyuk has some monstrous ZvZ.

Hyuk > Jaedong. Jaedong > Everyone else at ZvZ.

Therefore, unless my logic fails, Hyuk > All Zergs.

On October 28 2009 04:22 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

oh looooooooooooooool. Considering how Hyuk took down Jae "the master of zvz"dong in a straight up mutal micro battle, i dont see where this criticism is coming from.

On October 28 2009 06:12 TheYango wrote:

Actually Hyuk for ace match seems like a real possibility.

And of course, SKT fans would collectively facepalm as CJ reveals Skyhigh as their ace, and Hyuk gets to show an excellent display of his trash ZvT.

On October 28 2009 05:48 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

why nooooooot

On October 28 2009 07:02 Roffles wrote:
Because Hyuk has some monstrous ZvZ.

Hyuk > Jaedong. Jaedong > Everyone else at ZvZ.

Therefore, unless my logic fails, Hyuk > All Zergs.

On October 28 2009 07:20 jalstar wrote:


jaedong made mistakes against hyuk, effort's beaten jaedong at the top of his game, hyuk has a BO win and a sketchy win.

On October 28 2009 07:20 jalstar wrote:


jaedong made mistakes against hyuk, effort's beaten jaedong at the top of his game, hyuk has a BO win and a sketchy win.

On October 28 2009 07:36 nayumi wrote:

BO win? Did you even watch the game?

On October 28 2009 07:50 On_Slaught wrote:


This man is right. Jaedong and Hyuk were equal going into the final battle (if not adv Jaedong). Plus, Jaedong had drones and buildings under him which surely ate up some of the worm-glaive hits. I didn't look at upgrades, but JD got spanked in that battle i'm sorry to say.

On October 28 2009 08:26 Jyvblamo wrote:
Let's see some nukes from Fantasy. 3 of them.
Otherwise, he is not Boxer's heir.

On October 28 2009 08:54 dukethegold wrote:
And I want Boxer v.s. Anyone.

If Hyuk defeats Effort, the world will crack, by the screams of Hyuk for bonjwa.

On October 28 2009 08:57 vRoOk wrote:


I think Calm is better than EffOrt

Hyuk>Jaedong>Calm>EffOrt

On October 28 2009 06:19 ketomai wrote:
To all of the people saying Hyuk > Effort is impossible, it's not. Everyone is citing Effort v Luxury, but in that game Effort had a huge BO advantage, and was just able to dictate play from then on with his much much much faster 2 hatches and 2nd gas. He did an awesome job capitalizing on his advantage, but that does not automatically make his ZvZ godlike because he was given the position to be able to do that due to the BO win.

On October 28 2009 08:20 metaldragon wrote:
If Hyuk beats effort will he finally get the respects he's deserving right about now? Effort is great but hyuk ZvZ has been damn good lately.

Looking at both of there recent ZvZ stats I'm inclined to say that Hyuk actually looking stronger ZvZ than effort.

On October 28 2009 08:14 Mykill wrote:
wow
battle of T1 vs CJ fanboys commence!

On October 28 2009 09:09 crucifix wrote:
It's like Calm > Hyuk > Jaedong > Effort

On October 27 2009 23:07 Tuke wrote:
BeSt > Hydra
Hyuk < EffOrt
Bisu > Snow
fantasy < sKyHigh
BoxeR < sAviOr
This would be pretty nice.

CJ ftv

On October 28 2009 09:39 haster27 wrote:
BeSt > Hydra
Hyuk < EffOrt
Bisu > Snow
fantasy < sKyHigh
BoxeR > sAviOr FIXED
This would be pretty nice.
CJ ftv

On October 28 2009 09:46 synapse wrote:
oh my god
why do teams keep putting terrible players vs effort
i keep losing points >:0

On October 28 2009 08:04 tree.hugger wrote:


He's referring to Hyuk beating Jaedong in the PL playoffs, not the last game. There's an "and" between "BO win" and "sketchy win". He's calling the last game a "sktechy win"

By the way, Hyuk is clearly a very good ZvZ player. But EffOrt might have the best ZvZ or anyone at this point. EffOrt will win.

On October 28 2009 09:56 3 Lions wrote:
winning 40% of the time is not very favorable

edit: I don't think Hyuk is a "huge" underdog, but he is definitely an underdog against Effort.

On October 28 2009 09:10 fusionsdf wrote:
never said its impossible. Just some SKT fans have unrealistic expectations and are treating hyuk like he has equal/better chances than effort.

Which is, of course, ridiculous. Hyuk, win or lose, is the big underdog.

On October 28 2009 10:09 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Crap, I have Hyuk, Effort, Fantasy, and Skyhigh on FPL ._.

On October 28 2009 10:06 Mykill wrote:
if you really consider the MU. theres no such things at underdogs in ZvZ
shit happens. game ends.
Hyuk is the underdog because when its all over, he has a shitty record and effort has a good one.

On October 28 2009 09:46 synapse wrote:
oh my god
why do teams keep putting terrible players vs effort
i keep losing points >:0

On October 28 2009 10:13 dukethegold wrote:


It is a win win situation, isn't it? You don't lose any points for a player losing a match.

Unless you have one of them in your anti?

On October 28 2009 10:12 TheYango wrote:

No one's saying he isn't the underdog. That much is obvious. But there are people who are treating that match like Effort winning is a foregone conclusion when 1) Hyuk has been playing well lately and 2) ZvZ is quite possibly the most volatile matchup in the game.

EDIT:


It seems that most likely, both sides are actually in agreement, but are arguing at a position that neither side holds.

On October 28 2009 10:36 fusionsdf wrote:
there are people on this very page arguing that hyuk is the favorite against effort...last page now

hyuk has a had a couple (literally a couple) impressive zvz victories lately. People shouldn't get ahead of themselves. I personally think hyuk is 30/70 underdog

On October 28 2009 10:35 Chen wrote:

Yeah no matter what happens you get at least 6 points. Although i guess its kinda bad in that 1/2 of your top 4 players are going to lose. So good in that you know you're getting at least a certain amount, bad in that your max is capped pretty low.

On October 28 2009 11:08 kOre wrote:
Anyone know what results would get me the most points because I'm still not 100% sure how the point system works.

1. I have Bisu, Hyuk, Iris, and CJ Entus on my FPL.
2. Bisu currently has a 4 game win streak.
3. Hyuk has a 1 game win streak.
4. EffOrt has a 4 game win streak.
5. sKyHigh has a 2 game win streak.

So I think this is what I want?

BeSt < Outsider SE > Hydra
+0 Points

Hyuk < Moon Glaive > EffOrt
+1 Points for Hyuk winning
+1 Points for Hyuk breaking EffOrt's 4 game win streak

Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > Snow
+1 Points for Bisu winning

fantasy < Fighting Spirit > sKyHigh
+0 Points

Bisu < Tornado> sKyHigh
+2 Points for Bisu's 6 game win streak
+1 Points for Bisu breaking sKyHigh's 3 game win streak
+4 Points for Bisu winning Ace Match
+1 Points for CJ's 2-3 score
+4 Points for SKT's 3-2 score
+1 Points for Bisu being on SKT
+1 Points for HyuK being on SKT

So a grand total of +17 points if it goes according to my wishes?

On October 28 2009 11:08 kOre wrote:
Anyone know what results would get me the most points because I'm still not 100% sure how the point system works.

1. I have Bisu, Hyuk, Iris, and CJ Entus on my FPL.
2. Bisu currently has a 4 game win streak.
3. Hyuk has a 1 game win streak.
4. EffOrt has a 4 game win streak.
5. sKyHigh has a 2 game win streak.

So I think this is what I want?

BeSt < Outsider SE > Hydra
+0 Points

Hyuk < Moon Glaive > EffOrt
+1 Points for Hyuk winning
+1 Points for Hyuk breaking EffOrt's 4 game win streak

Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > Snow
+1 Points for Bisu winning

fantasy < Fighting Spirit > sKyHigh
+0 Points

Bisu < Tornado> sKyHigh
+2 Points for Bisu's 6 game win streak
+1 Points for Bisu breaking sKyHigh's 3 game win streak
+4 Points for Bisu winning Ace Match
+1 Points for CJ's 2-3 score
+4 Points for SKT's 3-2 score
+1 Points for Bisu being on SKT
+1 Points for HyuK being on SKT

So a grand total of +17 points if it goes according to my wishes?